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Post by moody on Aug 20, 2016 16:37:57 GMT -5
Kim Hill wasn't an OH at Pepperdine, so what's the point, guys? Blame it on Pepperdine for playing her out of position. If Olympic caliber OHs aren't playing all-around in college and club, THAT is on their coaches, not on the ruleset. Leave it to you to post exactly what I was trying to say. |
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Post by fightingminime on Aug 20, 2016 17:45:42 GMT -5
I understand it's the sentiment of the time .. but I disagree to an extent. I think it's a narrow view of the problem. Are there some that should play more? Absolutely. Do I wish every coach who had a possible future Olympian gave them that chance when they were young? Of course! But please don't make blanket statements that blame the group that can't defend themselves for the issues of the National Team. DS'ing a 6'0", 9'7" touching outside on my club team does not affect our National program. But it allows me to play more kids, to make my team love the sport more with their continued succes so they go watch college matches, and watch the National team on tv and continue to grow the sport. I don't necessarily disagree with you. I know it's a problem trying to get everyone playing time and I hate watching club teams where 2 or 3 girls spend a whole season without seeing meaningful court time. Especially at the younger ages (maybe 15 and below?) that just shouldn't happen. What I see in club all the way up to the NT (even for the men) is a sameness in style and technique and a robotic style of play. I love watching players like Zaytsev who play with a joy and spontaneity that is sorely lacking on the US teams. I'm a former player and now parent of club age girls. I'd love to hear your opinion on that as a coach. It's funny ... I see very different styles. Both in technique and personality. The difference between Foluke's armswing and Dietzen's in slo-mo .. or Murphy's and Lowe's. Kelsey's fiery personality that helped them *most* of the time that she came into the game. The bulldog mentality of Banworth. The leadership from Larson. The steadiness from some of the others. Were they lacking in leadership when everything was on the line? I think so ... but they are (Were?) young in Olympic experience. So it's at least understandable. |
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Post by fightingminime on Aug 20, 2016 18:19:03 GMT -5
As a coach, how do you teach that decision making without drilling out all of the creativity? I ask my players "why" an awful lot. Some are better at it than others. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 19:00:49 GMT -5
Kim Hill wasn't an OH at Pepperdine, so what's the point, guys? Blame it on Pepperdine for playing her out of position. If Olympic caliber OHs aren't playing all-around in college and club, THAT is on their coaches, not on the ruleset. As the Fivb voted best player of the 20th century said, "the game over-all has really suffered as front row/ middles, etc don't have to play all around." could you imagine a middle now getting best receiver at the World Grand Prix, such as Torres did. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 20, 2016 20:06:04 GMT -5
Kim Hill wasn't an OH at Pepperdine, so what's the point, guys? Blame it on Pepperdine for playing her out of position. If Olympic caliber OHs aren't playing all-around in college and club, THAT is on their coaches, not on the ruleset. Kim Hill was a 6-rotation primary passer in club, FWIW |
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Post by fightingminime on Aug 20, 2016 20:22:41 GMT -5
Kim Hill wasn't an OH at Pepperdine, so what's the point, guys? Blame it on Pepperdine for playing her out of position. If Olympic caliber OHs aren't playing all-around in college and club, THAT is on their coaches, not on the ruleset. As the Fivb voted best player of the 20th century said, "the game over-all has really suffered as front row/ middles, etc don't have to play all around." could you imagine a middle now getting best receiver at the World Grand Prix, such as Torres did. But the libero changed that ... not liberal sub rules. And we are complaining about the lack of 6-rotation outsides. And I guess that our middles can't serve in. But that's really the whole team ... not just the mids. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 20:52:05 GMT -5
But that's because they aren't just hitting lazy serves. They are trying to serve hard floaters that cause problems for the other team. Sure, they could have served more in -- I'm not denying that -- just saying they were not just trying to serve free balls to the other team.
Captain Obvious, I know. But it needs to be said. It wasn't a character flaw. It was a tough skill not performed to perfection (or even to the level they needed).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 21:11:01 GMT -5
As the Fivb voted best player of the 20th century said, "the game over-all has really suffered as front row/ middles, etc don't have to play all around." could you imagine a middle now getting best receiver at the World Grand Prix, such as Torres did. But the libero changed that ... not liberal sub rules. And we are complaining about the lack of 6-rotation outsides. And I guess that our middles can't serve in. But that's really the whole team ... not just the mids. Yes, Torres was talking about the libero and she wasn't talking about middles exclusively. Point remains the same. |
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Post by kokyu on Aug 21, 2016 11:34:30 GMT -5
Look at Priddy's performance for the men. What would Tom have done for the women?!
SHAME ON USAV !!!!
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Post by vbaustin on Aug 21, 2016 17:11:34 GMT -5
Look at Priddy's performance for the men. What would Tom have done for the women?! SHAME ON USAV !!!! hahaha, you're dreaming! Best scorers Rank Name Points 1 China Zhu Ting 179 - 21 yos 2 Netherlands Lonneke Slöetjes 157 - 25yos 3 Serbia Tijana Bošković 137 - 19 yos 4 Serbia Brankica Mihajlović 121 - 25 yos 5 Netherlands Anne Buijs 104 - 24 yos Tom - 35yos |
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Post by coloradokidd on Aug 21, 2016 20:25:17 GMT -5
well, she will need to figure out how to pass if she ever wants to play outside for the national team... Totally agreed, total Husker and Mikaela fan but the current NCAA sub #s, and the Husker's roster of very capable back row players this may never happen because it isn't what is best for the Husker's current system. Just because Mikaela isn't playing all six rotations during a Husker match now, don't believe that she isn't training all the way around. A spot will open up in 2017 after Kadie graduates, and if Mikaela earns it; she will have 2 years of back row playing experience in actual matches. |
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 21, 2016 20:35:25 GMT -5
Looking at the other side a little bit, comparing Serbia's performance in the US match and the final against China, I thought Boskovic and Mihajlovic didn't played as well in the final against China as they did against the US. They made too many errors in the final. By contrast, they were on fire against the US.
I wonder why. Where they simply psyched out in the final? Mentally buckling under the pressure? They gave it their all against the US and had nothing left against China? Or Lang Ping was a better tactician than Karch and could better adapt strategies to counter Serbia?
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Post by Disc808 on Aug 21, 2016 20:38:00 GMT -5
Looking at the other side a little bit, comparing Serbia's performance in the US match and the final against China, I thought Boskovic and Mihajlovic didn't played as well in the final against China as they did against the US. They made too many errors in the final. By contrast, they were on fire against the US. I wonder why. Where they simply psyched out in the final? Mentally buckling under the pressure? They gave it their all against the US and had nothing left against China? Or Lang Ping was a better tactician than Karch and could better adapt strategies to counter Serbia? Maybe cause the Chinese block is HUGE. And they served in more than the US, thus giving their block/defense a chance |
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 21, 2016 20:45:51 GMT -5
Looking at the other side a little bit, comparing Serbia's performance in the US match and the final against China, I thought Boskovic and Mihajlovic didn't played as well in the final against China as they did against the US. They made too many errors in the final. By contrast, they were on fire against the US. I wonder why. Where they simply psyched out in the final? Mentally buckling under the pressure? They gave it their all against the US and had nothing left against China? Or Lang Ping was a better tactician than Karch and could better adapt strategies to counter Serbia? For one thing, the Serbian setter was beaten like a rag doll, literally. It's a miracle she lasted the match, and also a testament of her will-power. The Chinese block was very prepared for the more predictable serbian sets. And China played both aggressively and inspired. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 21, 2016 21:03:06 GMT -5
Looking at the other side a little bit, comparing Serbia's performance in the US match and the final against China, I thought Boskovic and Mihajlovic didn't played as well in the final against China as they did against the US. They made too many errors in the final. By contrast, they were on fire against the US. I wonder why. Where they simply psyched out in the final? Mentally buckling under the pressure? They gave it their all against the US and had nothing left against China? Or Lang Ping was a better tactician than Karch and could better adapt strategies to counter Serbia? That's not really true. Serbia was quite error-laden against the USA - they gave us about 50 points on their own mistakes. Boskovic hit .100 points higher against China than she did against the USA in the semis. Mihajlovic hit about the same (.208 vs .214). |
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