2016 Bracketology (FINALIZED) 11/27

[trojansc]

Nov 24, 2016 6:44:12 GMT -5 @tipshot said:

Nov 24, 2016 1:53:44 GMT -5 hapaguy said:

OMG #13 Hawaii vs #15 Penn State in the first round!? Say it ain't so!

It ain't so. Hawaii will likely end up at UCLA with San Diego or, more likely, at Washington again. As much as Trojan and others may wish it to be so, the committee is not sticking Penn St, Stanford and Hawaii in the same subregional. I'm willing to take bets.

It's one of many, many possibilities.

Never underestimate the committee. Don't worry. If you looked at the tEams who HAVE to travel and RPI balance - like I said - it kind of makes sense

[ay2013]

Nov 24, 2016 6:44:12 GMT -5 @tipshot said:

Nov 24, 2016 1:53:44 GMT -5 hapaguy said:

OMG #13 Hawaii vs #15 Penn State in the first round!? Say it ain't so!

It ain't so. Hawaii will likely end up at UCLA with San Diego or, more likely, at Washington again. As much as Trojan and others may wish it to be so, the committee is not sticking Penn St, Stanford and Hawaii in the same subregional. I'm willing to take bets.

Well, per RPI, a Hawaii San Diego 1st round is no different than a Hawaii/PSU 1st round.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

Nov 24, 2016 12:44:43 GMT -5 ay2013 said:

Nov 24, 2016 6:44:12 GMT -5 @tipshot said:

It ain't so. Hawaii will likely end up at UCLA with San Diego or, more likely, at Washington again. As much as Trojan and others may wish it to be so, the committee is not sticking Penn St, Stanford and Hawaii in the same subregional. I'm willing to take bets.

Well, per RPI, a Hawaii San Diego 1st round is no different than a Hawaii/PSU 1st round.

Agreed that it would be no different but we don't need the Real Poor Indicator to tell us that.

[trojansc]

Nov 24, 2016 12:44:43 GMT -5 ay2013 said:

Nov 24, 2016 6:44:12 GMT -5 @tipshot said:

It ain't so. Hawaii will likely end up at UCLA with San Diego or, more likely, at Washington again. As much as Trojan and others may wish it to be so, the committee is not sticking Penn St, Stanford and Hawaii in the same subregional. I'm willing to take bets.

Well, per RPI, a Hawaii San Diego 1st round is no different than a Hawaii/PSU 1st round.

Hawaii / USD is even more unfair, RPI suggests USD > PSU

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Nov 24, 2016 12:44:43 GMT -5 ay2013 said:

Nov 24, 2016 6:44:12 GMT -5 @tipshot said:

It ain't so. Hawaii will likely end up at UCLA with San Diego or, more likely, at Washington again. As much as Trojan and others may wish it to be so, the committee is not sticking Penn St, Stanford and Hawaii in the same subregional. I'm willing to take bets.

Well, per RPI, a Hawaii San Diego 1st round is no different than a Hawaii/PSU 1st round.

Sure, it's an option. (I know the committee can do ridiculously unfair things; I'm a Hawaii fan!) But this particular option just ain't happening. I think we all need to admit that the committee has improved in making the brackets over the years. They also said that they will be taking other things into consideration besides RPI -- including input from the Regional Advisory committees. If that's true then they know that both Stanford and Hawaii are peaking right now and have overcome some earlier injuries. I don't know how good Penn St is now (I last saw them when they played Minnesota) but I am completely confident that this particular scenario of putting Stanford, Penn. St and Hawaii in the same subregional just ain't happening. We'll see.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

Nov 24, 2016 12:51:10 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Nov 24, 2016 12:44:43 GMT -5 ay2013 said:

Well, per RPI, a Hawaii San Diego 1st round is no different than a Hawaii/PSU 1st round.

Hawaii / USD is even more unfair, RPI suggests USD > PSU

It's going to be unfair anyway. Fairness is probably something that the Committee doesn't worry too much about. I suspect teams like Hawaii and Penn State will be amongst the last teams added to the pairings, they could very well end up together.

[trojansc]

Nov 24, 2016 12:57:38 GMT -5 @tipshot said:

Nov 24, 2016 12:44:43 GMT -5 ay2013 said:

Well, per RPI, a Hawaii San Diego 1st round is no different than a Hawaii/PSU 1st round.

Sure, it's an option. (I know the committee can do ridiculously unfair things; I'm a Hawaii fan!) But this particular option just ain't happening. I think we all need to admit that the committee has improved in making the brackets over the years. They also said that they will be taking other things into consideration besides RPI -- including input from the Regional Advisory committees. If that's true then they know that both Stanford and Hawaii are peaking right now and have overcome some earlier injuries. I don't know how good Penn St is now (I last saw them when they played Minnesota) but I am completely confident that this particular scenario of putting Stanford, Penn. St and Hawaii in the same subregional just ain't happening. We'll see.

Do you remember the Top 3 teams in the country being in the same REGIONAL in 2011?

Then-#1 USC and #3 Hawaii certainly do. They were given 7 and 10 seeds. #2 Nebraska actually did get the #2 seed.


The committee is like a teenager - they do what they want, they don't always do their homework but act like they did.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

Nov 24, 2016 12:57:38 GMT -5 @tipshot said:

Nov 24, 2016 12:44:43 GMT -5 ay2013 said:

Well, per RPI, a Hawaii San Diego 1st round is no different than a Hawaii/PSU 1st round.

Sure, it's an option. (I know the committee can do ridiculously unfair things; I'm a Hawaii fan!) But this particular option just ain't happening. I think we all need to admit that the committee has improved in making the brackets over the years. They also said that they will be taking other things into consideration besides RPI -- including input from the Regional Advisory committees. If that's true then they know that both Stanford and Hawaii are peaking right now and have overcome some earlier injuries. I don't know how good Penn St is now (I last saw them when they played Minnesota) but I am completely confident that this particular scenario of putting Stanford, Penn. St and Hawaii in the same subregional just ain't happening. We'll see.

Agree that the regional advisory committees will have some influence and if secondary criteria is more than notes in the championship handbook, then Hawaii will look really good. Their early season losses were due primarily to an injury plagued roster. Since getting players back and making lineup adjustments, Hawaii has been dominant but with that said, I can see why Trojan, ay and others would not be surprised if the Committee put together a ridiculous sub regional filled with 3 top 15 teams ( by AVCA standards).

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Nov 24, 2016 13:04:40 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Nov 24, 2016 12:57:38 GMT -5 @tipshot said:

Sure, it's an option. (I know the committee can do ridiculously unfair things; I'm a Hawaii fan!) But this particular option just ain't happening. I think we all need to admit that the committee has improved in making the brackets over the years. They also said that they will be taking other things into consideration besides RPI -- including input from the Regional Advisory committees. If that's true then they know that both Stanford and Hawaii are peaking right now and have overcome some earlier injuries. I don't know how good Penn St is now (I last saw them when they played Minnesota) but I am completely confident that this particular scenario of putting Stanford, Penn. St and Hawaii in the same subregional just ain't happening. We'll see.

Do you remember the Top 3 teams in the country being in the same REGIONAL in 2011?

Then-#1 USC and #3 Hawaii certainly do. They were given 7 and 10 seeds. #2 Nebraska actually did get the #2 seed.


The committee is like a teenager - they do what they want, they don't always do their homework but act like they did.

Yes, I do remember very well that they did that FIVE years ago. As I stated, I am well-aware that the committee has made some extremely boneheaded moves. Call me naive but I don't see them making this particular bonehead move this year.

[hammer]

But let's look on the bright side. If PSU, Hawaii, and Stanford all show up in Palo Alto regional sub-regional, then we supplant Seattle as the center of the volleyball universe.

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Nov 24, 2016 13:08:04 GMT -5 Barefoot In Kailua said:

Nov 24, 2016 12:57:38 GMT -5 @tipshot said:

Sure, it's an option. (I know the committee can do ridiculously unfair things; I'm a Hawaii fan!) But this particular option just ain't happening. I think we all need to admit that the committee has improved in making the brackets over the years. They also said that they will be taking other things into consideration besides RPI -- including input from the Regional Advisory committees. If that's true then they know that both Stanford and Hawaii are peaking right now and have overcome some earlier injuries. I don't know how good Penn St is now (I last saw them when they played Minnesota) but I am completely confident that this particular scenario of putting Stanford, Penn. St and Hawaii in the same subregional just ain't happening. We'll see.

Agree that the regional advisory committees will have some influence and if secondary criteria is more than notes in the championship handbook, then Hawaii will look really good. Their early season losses were due primarily to an injury plagued roster. Since getting players back and making lineup adjustments, Hawaii has been dominant but with that said, I can see why Trojan, ay and others would not be surprised if the Committee put together a ridiculous sub regional filled with 3 top 15 teams ( by AVCA standards).

Maybe I am giving the committee too much credit but I have seen noticeable improvement over the last five years. But, hey, it's been awhile since we've been outraged so we may be due.

[n00b]

Nov 24, 2016 13:04:40 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Nov 24, 2016 12:57:38 GMT -5 @tipshot said:

Sure, it's an option. (I know the committee can do ridiculously unfair things; I'm a Hawaii fan!) But this particular option just ain't happening. I think we all need to admit that the committee has improved in making the brackets over the years. They also said that they will be taking other things into consideration besides RPI -- including input from the Regional Advisory committees. If that's true then they know that both Stanford and Hawaii are peaking right now and have overcome some earlier injuries. I don't know how good Penn St is now (I last saw them when they played Minnesota) but I am completely confident that this particular scenario of putting Stanford, Penn. St and Hawaii in the same subregional just ain't happening. We'll see.

Do you remember the Top 3 teams in the country being in the same REGIONAL in 2011?

Then-#1 USC and #3 Hawaii certainly do. They were given 7 and 10 seeds. #2 Nebraska actually did get the #2 seed.


The committee is like a teenager - they do what they want, they don't always do their homework but act like they did.

You should know as well as anybody how consistent the committee is. You've predicted all but 2 at larges in the past four seasons, right?

They did their homework and seeded based on the criteria given to them by the NCAA. That means the Coaches Poll ranking means absolutely nothing. USC was 8th in the RPI and Hawaii was 7th. Hawaii always has and always will get dinged a little bit for not playing any road matches against quality opponents.

I'm not saying the RPI is good, but the committee members are told to use it as a primary criteria, so they do.

[ay2013]

Nobody is saying the committee WILL do this, all we are saying is that Hawaii and PSU must fly, and there are examples of top 30 RPI teams meeting in the 1st round. So to suggest it won't happen is, imo, historically incorrect. Is it likely? Meh, but again I wouldn't be surprised of it did. Objective speaking, a UCLA/San Diego/Hawaii subregional (which is the scenario you suggest) isn't all that different from a Standord/PSU/Hawaii regional, per rpi or avca.

[ay2013]

Nov 24, 2016 13:19:48 GMT -5 n00b said:

Nov 24, 2016 13:04:40 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Do you remember the Top 3 teams in the country being in the same REGIONAL in 2011?

Then-#1 USC and #3 Hawaii certainly do. They were given 7 and 10 seeds. #2 Nebraska actually did get the #2 seed.


The committee is like a teenager - they do what they want, they don't always do their homework but act like they did.

You should know as well as anybody how consistent the committee is. You've predicted all but 2 at larges in the past four seasons, right?

They did their homework and seeded based on the criteria given to them by the NCAA. That means the Coaches Poll ranking means absolutely nothing. USC was 8th in the RPI and Hawaii was 7th. Hawaii always has and always will get dinged a little bit for not playing any road matches against quality opponents.

I'm not saying the RPI is good, but the committee members are told to use it as a primary criteria, so they do.

Meh, plenty of examples where the committee ISN'T overly consistent when it comes to placement of seeds. Perhaps with at large bids, sure.

[Deleted]

Nov 24, 2016 13:22:51 GMT -5 ay2013 said:

Nobody is saying the committee WILL do this, all we are saying is that Hawaii and PSU must fly, and there are examples of top 30 RPI teams meeting in the 1st round. So to suggest it won't happen is, imo, historically incorrect. Is it likely? Meh, but again I wouldn't be surprised of it did. Objective speaking, a UCLA/San Diego/Hawaii subregional (which is the scenario you suggest) isn't all that different from a Standord/PSU/Hawaii regional, per rpi or avca.

Really? Hawaii and PSU will be traveling? No #%!@, Sherlock. And all I am saying is from the many, many scenarios that are possible, this one won't be it and I've stated the reasons why. I never said it wasn't possible. I did say I just don't see it happening. Quit responding that it's an option. I think we already agreed on that.