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Post by gobruins on Oct 26, 2016 3:55:00 GMT -5
So, how is TV coverage going to work?
In the past, with the pre-selected regional hosts, they always had at least one regional in the eastern time zone, and at least one regional in the pacific (or hawaii) time zone, so they could spread out the start times to accommodate TV coverage.
If things don't change at the top, the 4 regionals will likely be at Nebraska, Texas, Wisconsin and Minnesota. All in the central time zone.
So, if all 4 regionals are in the central time zone, will ESPN be able to televise all 4 regional finals? If they spread out the start times so that one of the regional finals starts as early as 12:00 or 1:00pm CST, does that mean that regional will have to play their semi-finals on Friday in the early afternoon?
Would ESPN not show all 4 regionals? Would they move 1 or 2 to one their other channels?
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Post by les on Oct 26, 2016 7:30:29 GMT -5
Excellent analysis. The Pac-12 is way down this year. I'm not sure if this is an attempt to troll or what? I would think 9 or .75% of your teams in the tourney would be considered standard for the pac and not a down year at all. Maybe comment was because of lack of a #1 seed? UW still has time to swing it, tonights Stanford contest will go a long way toward determining that. I think UW has more room available for moving the rpi meter up, not so for SD, Kansas and Texas. Given Texas and Kansas still play each other as do Wisconsin and Minnesota 2 of these 4 teams could slide below the dawgs. In fact I'm not even sure why Kansas is ranked higher then the UW, it's definitely not because of RPI or SOS or record or.... |
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Post by redincolorado on Oct 26, 2016 8:05:51 GMT -5
"If you aren't a B1g fan, you really want Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Minnesota to lose some matches to the mid or lower level big teams. That may help get one of those three out of the top-4 seeding contention. Either way - their RPI's are going to be pretty stellar even if they take an unexpected loss or two. I'm just not convinced the NCAA is going to give 3 of the 4 top seeds to one conference."
I'm convinced this idiot committee will do everything it can to make the top dog B1G teams eliminate each other with their ridiculous brackets with the sole goal of making sure that it's not an all B1G final four.
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Post by les on Oct 26, 2016 8:37:04 GMT -5
"If you aren't a B1g fan, you really want Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Minnesota to lose some matches to the mid or lower level big teams. That may help get one of those three out of the top-4 seeding contention. Either way - their RPI's are going to be pretty stellar even if they take an unexpected loss or two. I'm just not convinced the NCAA is going to give 3 of the 4 top seeds to one conference."
I'm convinced this idiot committee will do everything it can to make the top dog B1G teams eliminate each other with their ridiculous brackets with the sole goal of making sure that it's not an all B1G final four. I don't think its worth arguing over quite yet. Wisconsin has been slowly but surely losing its favorable status and many don't see them as top 5. Texas is a win over Kansas from locking up a #1 seed. SD has no major obstacles in stopping them from getting a #1 and the other UW can still slide up if it picks up some crucial wins. Nebraska is a definite lock and a win by Minn over Wisc will be a 2nd lock but I doubt 3 will justifiably transpire. |
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Post by n00b on Oct 26, 2016 8:37:39 GMT -5
So, how is TV coverage going to work? In the past, with the pre-selected regional hosts, they always had at least one regional in the eastern time zone, and at least one regional in the pacific (or hawaii) time zone, so they could spread out the start times to accommodate TV coverage. If things don't change at the top, the 4 regionals will likely be at Nebraska, Texas, Wisconsin and Minnesota. All in the central time zone. So, if all 4 regionals are in the central time zone, will ESPN be able to televise all 4 regional finals? If they spread out the start times so that one of the regional finals starts as early as 12:00 or 1:00pm CST, does that mean that regional will have to play their semi-finals on Friday in the early afternoon? Would ESPN not show all 4 regionals? Would they move 1 or 2 to one their other channels? Definitely an issue. I can't imagine a 10:30PM local start time. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 26, 2016 11:07:17 GMT -5
If I am thinking right - last year the Regional Finals were scheduled for 4PM, 6:30PM, 9PM and 11PM (Eastern Time). That would put local time if all is in the central time zone of 3, 5:30, 8, and 10.
The issue is going to be the 10PM start time. If everything was pushed back just one hour - things would be fine. The question would be is ESPN okay with moving this back 1 hour? If not, they could also narrow the gap between matches to fit ESPN's schedule - but that would risk overlap on matches if there was a 5th set match or a long 4 set match. Or they could just have one site start a match at 10PM - or make sure there is one pacific/mountain time zone host. Sounds like this would force a decision and the choices are probably going to be determined by ESPN.
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Post by bigfan on Oct 26, 2016 11:07:34 GMT -5
Excellent analysis. The Pac-12 is way down this year. I'm not sure if this is an attempt to troll or what? I would think 9 or .75% of your teams in the tourney would be considered standard for the pac and not a down year at all. Maybe comment was because of lack of a #1 seed? UW still has time to swing it, tonights Stanford contest will go a long way toward determining that. I think UW has more room available for moving the rpi meter up, not so for SD, Kansas and Texas. Given Texas and Kansas still play each other as do Wisconsin and Minnesota 2 of these 4 teams could slide below the dawgs. In fact I'm not even sure why Kansas is ranked higher then the UW, it's definitely not because of RPI or SOS or record or.... The Pac-12 is way down this year |
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Post by rogero1 on Oct 26, 2016 11:19:32 GMT -5
If I am thinking right - last year the Regional Finals were scheduled for 4PM, 6:30PM, 9PM and 11PM (Eastern Time). That would put local time if all is in the central time zone of 3, 5:30, 8, and 10. The issue is going to be the 10PM start time. If everything was pushed back just one hour - things would be fine. The question would be is ESPN okay with moving this back 1 hour? If not, they could also narrow the gap between matches to fit ESPN's schedule - but that would risk overlap on matches if there was a 5th set match or a long 4 set match. Or they could just have one site start a match at 10PM - or make sure there is one pacific/mountain time zone host. Sounds like this would force a decision and the choices are probably going to be determined by ESPN. My guess is that ESPN would time shift all matches ahead by 2 hours to 1, 3:30, 6, & 8:30 if there is an all central time zone regionals. |
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Post by n00b on Oct 26, 2016 11:22:44 GMT -5
If I am thinking right - last year the Regional Finals were scheduled for 4PM, 6:30PM, 9PM and 11PM (Eastern Time). That would put local time if all is in the central time zone of 3, 5:30, 8, and 10. The issue is going to be the 10PM start time. If everything was pushed back just one hour - things would be fine. The question would be is ESPN okay with moving this back 1 hour? If not, they could also narrow the gap between matches to fit ESPN's schedule - but that would risk overlap on matches if there was a 5th set match or a long 4 set match. Or they could just have one site start a match at 10PM - or make sure there is one pacific/mountain time zone host. Sounds like this would force a decision and the choices are probably going to be determined by ESPN. The west coast match was at 11:30 eastern. i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/volleyball-women_d1_2015.pdf |
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Post by n00b on Oct 26, 2016 11:23:54 GMT -5
If I am thinking right - last year the Regional Finals were scheduled for 4PM, 6:30PM, 9PM and 11PM (Eastern Time). That would put local time if all is in the central time zone of 3, 5:30, 8, and 10. The issue is going to be the 10PM start time. If everything was pushed back just one hour - things would be fine. The question would be is ESPN okay with moving this back 1 hour? If not, they could also narrow the gap between matches to fit ESPN's schedule - but that would risk overlap on matches if there was a 5th set match or a long 4 set match. Or they could just have one site start a match at 10PM - or make sure there is one pacific/mountain time zone host. Sounds like this would force a decision and the choices are probably going to be determined by ESPN. My guess is that ESPN would time shift all matches ahead by 2 hours to 1, 3:30, 6, & 8:30 if there is an all central time zone regionals. The issue is the turnaround from the previous night. At the site that hosts the 1pm regional final do you play two midday regional semifinals? Or do you force somebody to play the 7pm match then turnaround and play at 1pm the next day? |
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Post by southie on Oct 26, 2016 12:14:45 GMT -5
Next year, the NCAA may end up having to revert back to spreading the "regionals" across different geographic "regions". What a concept. Back in the day, the highest remaining seed in said geographic region was given the option to host.
In all honesty, if the NCAA's main objective is to put fans in the seats then you can't argue against Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Minnesota hosting regionals if they are in the Top 4 (RPI). But, that's probably not ESPN's main objective; not that they can't air men's hoops instead on ESPNU, but their agreement to air all 4 volleyball regional finals really does depend on the time zones of the host sites.
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Oct 26, 2016 12:36:03 GMT -5
"If you aren't a B1g fan, you really want Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Minnesota to lose some matches to the mid or lower level big teams. That may help get one of those three out of the top-4 seeding contention. Either way - their RPI's are going to be pretty stellar even if they take an unexpected loss or two. I'm just not convinced the NCAA is going to give 3 of the 4 top seeds to one conference."
I'm convinced this idiot committee will do everything it can to make the top dog B1G teams eliminate each other with their ridiculous brackets with the sole goal of making sure that it's not an all B1G final four. I don't think its worth arguing over quite yet. Wisconsin has been slowly but surely losing its favorable status and many don't see them as top 5. Texas is a win over Kansas from locking up a #1 seed. SD has no major obstacles in stopping them from getting a #1 and the other UW can still slide up if it picks up some crucial wins. Nebraska is a definite lock and a win by Minn over Wisc will be a 2nd lock but I doubt 3 will justifiably transpire. I think its a point that needs to be brought up. My guess is they won't seed 3 BIG 1-4, but I bet if one of them slips down they 100% put them in another BIG region. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 26, 2016 12:58:28 GMT -5
My guess is that ESPN would time shift all matches ahead by 2 hours to 1, 3:30, 6, & 8:30 if there is an all central time zone regionals. The issue is the turnaround from the previous night. At the site that hosts the 1pm regional final do you play two midday regional semifinals? Or do you force somebody to play the 7pm match then turnaround and play at 1pm the next day? Good point.
Last year, the Lexington Regional had a 7:30 start for regional semifinal and a 4 PM start for the Final (Washington vs. Nebraska) - this was the shortest turnaround. If we assume that 20 1/2 hours between start times is the minimum acceptable - and we had no host in the Pacific/Mountain/Eastern zones - then the 1st Regional could look like this (Central/Local time):
Semi Regional 1: 3 PM Semi Regional 2: 5:30 Regional Final: 2 PM
This is one hour earlier start for the final - the semifinal start times would not be ideal, but I think it could work? If they could go to just 20 hour turnaround - 6 PM start might be a pretty big improvement?
The other regional finals would be 4:30, 7:00, and 9:30, with normal semi final start times. The last one would not be ideal - but could work?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 26, 2016 15:08:58 GMT -5
Wisconsin still has to face six ranked teams (four on the road): #9 PSU (H), #19 OSU (A), #24 Purdue (A), #22 Illinois (A), #16 Michigan (H), #3 Minnesota (A).
Minnesota faces five ranked teams (four at home): #9 PSU (H), #22 Illinois (A), #16 Michigan (H), #1 Nebraska (H), #4 Wisconsin (H).
Penn State might still get back into the picture, facing seven ranked teams (but four on the road), but would likely have to run the table: #4 Wisconsin (A), #3 Minnesota (A), #1 Nebraska (H), #19 OSU (A), #1 Nebraska (A), #24 Purdue (H), #22 Illinois (H). PSU would also give ESPN an Eastern Time Zone regional.
Washington faces five ranked teams (three on the road): #17 Stanford (A), #20 Oregon (H), #21 Utah (A), #12 UCLA (H), #18 Washington State (A). They do face two other teams just outside the rankings (both on the road): #31 Arizona (A) and #30 Colorado (A). If they can run the table, they'll be a lock for a #1 seed. If they drop two, they'll likely be making travel plans to Lincoln, if they can get by Hawaii in Seattle.
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Post by les on Oct 26, 2016 15:50:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this is an attempt to troll or what? I would think 9 or .75% of your teams in the tourney would be considered standard for the pac and not a down year at all. Maybe comment was because of lack of a #1 seed? UW still has time to swing it, tonights Stanford contest will go a long way toward determining that. I think UW has more room available for moving the rpi meter up, not so for SD, Kansas and Texas. Given Texas and Kansas still play each other as do Wisconsin and Minnesota 2 of these 4 teams could slide below the dawgs. In fact I'm not even sure why Kansas is ranked higher then the UW, it's definitely not because of RPI or SOS or record or.... The Pac-12 is way down this year Got to love statements based on hmmm, i don't know, maybe you're dad is karch kiraly or you played prof vball for China maybe? There might be a little drop off because of an over reliance on frosh. (these frosh will turn heads come tourney time) Also, I think other leagues have gotten better more than pac has regressed. |
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