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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 0:39:23 GMT -5
The big Question is.....Is Kerri playing on the AVP tour in 2017? If she is not, isn't that already a major blow to the sport? She still IS the biggest draw to these events...Like her or you don't or whether Donald Sun likes her or he doesn't ...She carries this tour...At least for the time being.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 14, 2017 0:48:37 GMT -5
Good points all around. If anyone can go for Gold in Tokyo, its Kerri beyond a doubt. That said, 2020 is a long way away. Also, just throwing my two cents in: ever since the Bronze in Rio, I think other teams, especially Brazilian ones, seem to sense an opportunity, perhaps seeing a few cracks in Kerri's game. Especially in Fort Lauderdale: Kerri and April had that match a couple of times against Agatha and Eduarda, yet in the end couldn't put it away (the fact that she lost AGAIN to Agatha probably wasn't lost to either of them) Again though, it was an unusually early tournament in the season, and this IS Kerri Walsh Jennings we're talking about. That said, and as others have pointed out, its the post Tokyo landscape that may be the most concerning. Its not unreasonable to guess that 2020 will be it for Kerri, if not career wise than definitely Olympic wise. And sure, the AVP now has a development system/ pipeline on the Women's side (lets not talk about the Men's......), yet unless the (unrealistic) happens and someone comes up the ranks IMMEDIATELY and morphs into the "next Kerri Walsh Jennings", then the AVP will have some problems. It simply can't afford to lose ANY sort of interest in the sport: it will be a blow I don't think it can really absorb as of now. Kerri barely plays AVP and takes shots at the tour when she is skipping events. I dont think her retirement will do too much damage there. I am unsure why everyone seems to think a 41 year old, whose shoulder has been hanging by a thread for years, and who couldn't win playing with the second best player in the world when she was 37 is going to be an Olympic contender. And just for the record, when you lose in two you never "had the match."
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Post by wilsonthevolleyball2 on Mar 14, 2017 0:54:05 GMT -5
Good points all around. If anyone can go for Gold in Tokyo, its Kerri beyond a doubt. That said, 2020 is a long way away. Also, just throwing my two cents in: ever since the Bronze in Rio, I think other teams, especially Brazilian ones, seem to sense an opportunity, perhaps seeing a few cracks in Kerri's game. Especially in Fort Lauderdale: Kerri and April had that match a couple of times against Agatha and Eduarda, yet in the end couldn't put it away (the fact that she lost AGAIN to Agatha probably wasn't lost to either of them) Again though, it was an unusually early tournament in the season, and this IS Kerri Walsh Jennings we're talking about. That said, and as others have pointed out, its the post Tokyo landscape that may be the most concerning. Its not unreasonable to guess that 2020 will be it for Kerri, if not career wise than definitely Olympic wise. And sure, the AVP now has a development system/ pipeline on the Women's side (lets not talk about the Men's......), yet unless the (unrealistic) happens and someone comes up the ranks IMMEDIATELY and morphs into the "next Kerri Walsh Jennings", then the AVP will have some problems. It simply can't afford to lose ANY sort of interest in the sport: it will be a blow I don't think it can really absorb as of now. Kerri barely plays AVP and takes shots at the tour when she is skipping events. I dont think her retirement will do too much damage there. I am unsure why everyone seems to think a 41 year old, whose shoulder has been hanging by a thread for years, and who couldn't win playing with the second best player in the world when she was 37 is going to be an Olympic contender. And just for the record, when you lose in two you never "had the match."
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Post by wilsonthevolleyball2 on Mar 14, 2017 0:59:31 GMT -5
Very very good points. I know that not everyone likes Kerri for different reasons, but for better and worse (depending on your view) she is the default "face" of the AVP for everyone who is not a diehard fan of the sport-and for alot of sponsers probably. And I thought the match at Ft. Lauderdale went to three sets, didn't it? Agatha/Duda took 1st, Kerri/April 2nd, and then the third went back to Agatha/Duda? Sorry if I got that wrong!! Not at my best at midnight!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 1:50:48 GMT -5
Yes....Wilson....The match did go 3....Both teams had chances to win it in 3rd.
Guest2...I won't rehash RIO...Past is past.
Onto AVP 2017..completely but respectfully disagree with you....If Kerri does not play on AVP Tour in 2017, the tour will be hurting. No matter what happened or whose fault Chicago was (I would say It's both on Sun & Kerri), fans flocked in to see her but did not know she had boycotted until they were there. Should she have played? Probably. Should Sun have used The AVP Championships for a test event? Probably not...Is there more going on between the two behind the scenes than any of us know about? Most likely. They've had since September to come to a resolution on their differences. Hopefully they can kiss & make up before May.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 14, 2017 6:42:32 GMT -5
Yes....Wilson....The match did go 3....Both teams had chances to win it in 3rd. Guest2...I won't rehash RIO...Past is past. Onto AVP 2017..completely but respectfully disagree with you....If Kerri does not play on AVP Tour in 2017, the tour will be hurting. No matter what happened or whose fault Chicago was (I would say It's both on Sun & Kerri), fans flocked in to see her but did not know she had boycotted until they were there. Should she have played? Probably. Should Sun have used The AVP Championships for a test event? Probably not...Is there more going on between the two behind the scenes than any of us know about? Most likely. They've had since September to come to a resolution on their differences. Hopefully they can kiss & make up before May. Thats my fault, I was thinking of the Rio match with Agatha. Poor RC by me. But to all those saying Kerri is the face of the AVP, she has basically played 1/3 of their events the past two years. Maybe she plays more this year, which would definitely help the AVP, but its doubtful. Given Kerri's petulance, injury history and the FIVB schedule, Donald would be a moron to count on her.
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Post by wilsonthevolleyball2 on Mar 14, 2017 8:38:36 GMT -5
Yes....Wilson....The match did go 3....Both teams had chances to win it in 3rd. Guest2...I won't rehash RIO...Past is past. Onto AVP 2017..completely but respectfully disagree with you....If Kerri does not play on AVP Tour in 2017, the tour will be hurting. No matter what happened or whose fault Chicago was (I would say It's both on Sun & Kerri), fans flocked in to see her but did not know she had boycotted until they were there. Should she have played? Probably. Should Sun have used The AVP Championships for a test event? Probably not...Is there more going on between the two behind the scenes than any of us know about? Most likely. They've had since September to come to a resolution on their differences. Hopefully they can kiss & make up before May. Bvb: Thanks for the clarification! This is actually the first time I've been hearing that Kerri might skip this entire AVP season: did she recently announce or "hint" at this? I agree with you: between Chicago and now this, there definitely seems to be more going on behind the scenes other than some irritation at some rule changes. Hopefully they both can find some middle ground before the season kicks off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 10:55:24 GMT -5
Wilson....No, just the same rumors that Downtheline heard in regards to the apparent rift between Walsh & Sun. Although I believe his sources are more accurate than mine. He was one of the fist to call that Kerri was boycotting Chicago. I did have a friend contact the AVP in regards to Kerris absence at the media days and was told it was a scheduling conflict. The same friend messaged both Kerri & April to see if they were playing on the AVP tour this year and no response from either. Both Ladies usually are pretty good in responding to their messages. Not sure why Kerri & April would be out on the sand busting their asses right now if they weren't going to play the AVP events together, which I believe is supposed to be their next tourney. If they are not on the same page anymore, as downtheline has implied, why continue together? They both have time to find new partners before start of AVP. I always believed there was more to The Chicago Boycott than just a couple of rule changes. I too hope they can work it out before May.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 10:59:42 GMT -5
On a positive note, Misty has recently said that she has been approached by a few to play on the AVP this year. She said she is considering it. That could be a big draw for the AVP in 2017 also.
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Post by bigfan on Mar 14, 2017 11:20:08 GMT -5
I always believed there was more to The Chicago Boycott than just a couple of rule changes. Walsh boycotts the first event after the 2016 Olympic games when television world wide attention to the sport was still sky high.................I would say arrogance and ego were the reason.
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Post by bigfan on Mar 14, 2017 11:22:35 GMT -5
This is actually the first time I've been hearing that Kerri might skip this entire AVP season: did she recently announce or "hint" at this? I agree with you: between Chicago and now this, there definitely seems to be more going on behind the scenes other than some irritation at some rule changes. Hopefully they both can find some middle ground before the season kicks off. I hope Walsh does not play 2017 AVP...................the game will pass her by quickly like it did to her fellow Stanford fool Tiger Woods.
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Post by volleyballjim on Mar 14, 2017 11:33:31 GMT -5
Nice try everybody. You're making the "fundamental attribution error", blaming the "person" rather than the "situation". Most of Kerri's absence, other than the rule boycott, is FIVB schedule related (no, Klazk?). But, NO ONE talks about the elevated play of teams as these years go by outside of USA...Parity is becoming real, so for some of these "2nd place finishes" ain't so bad; 200x-ish, maybe not, but 2017-ish, good...Her shoulder is an obvious concern, but without that, she's the one to beat an EVERYONE knows it. NCAA is going to be a boom to the sport, but we all know how those "early players, be it indoor to sand or sand only" RARELY hit the lines ready for ANYTHING...Takes a few years before the "tried-and-true" take you out, weekend after weekend...
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Post by guest2 on Mar 14, 2017 14:44:33 GMT -5
Nice try everybody. You're making the "fundamental attribution error", blaming the "person" rather than the "situation". Most of Kerri's absence, other than the rule boycott, is FIVB schedule related (no, Klazk?). But, NO ONE talks about the elevated play of teams as these years go by outside of USA...Parity is becoming real, so for some of these "2nd place finishes" ain't so bad; 200x-ish, maybe not, but 2017-ish, good...Her shoulder is an obvious concern, but without that, she's the one to beat an EVERYONE knows it. NCAA is going to be a boom to the sport, but we all know how those "early players, be it indoor to sand or sand only" RARELY hit the lines ready for ANYTHING...Takes a few years before the "tried-and-true" take you out, weekend after weekend... Kerri has missed a ton due to FIVB, and will continue to, but last year she skipped 3 events that didnt conflict, including one a few miles from her house. Agree that parity on the AVP is an illusion when she and April play but disagree on the "parity" on the FIVB. If the field was really so much improved then why are two of the top 3 teams, the same players that were the best ten years ago. Ten years ago, Larissa, Talita, Kerri and April won 15 of the 17 events. Kerri and April won 5 of 11 and were in the finals in about 70% of their events In 2015, Larissa and Talita won 70% of the events they entered and they have won 50% of their career tournaments together. Kerri and April have done the same if you dont count the injury events. The field didnt get better, Larissa, Kerri, April and Talita just got older. if you exclude Kira and Laura, I would say the field now is probably deeper at middle to low level but at the top its weaker than it has been in a while
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Post by volleyballjim on Mar 14, 2017 15:33:21 GMT -5
Good point guest2, I should make sure I follow the FIVB closer (than I do), before throwing "parity" out...Have noticed some good teams of late that didn't seem there before (watch out for CZ, Slokova/Hermanova, they look interesting this year)...But US and Brazil, what else is new ;-) Tough to discount a domestic tour, then FIVB which yields a "year round experience" for the Brazilians, but that is the landscape...If the Kerri passing issues continue, I might be on board, but barring that problem, 2020 is not a stretch...If the 2nd best player in the world (or whatever April is) is sticking by Kerri, April MAY in fact know more than the collective data VolleyTalk has in its hands ;-)
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Post by bigfan on Mar 14, 2017 18:53:39 GMT -5
Ten years ago, Larissa, Talita, Kerri and April won 15 of the 17 events. Kerri was still playing with Misty ten years ago.
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