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Post by haze on Mar 14, 2017 19:14:04 GMT -5
Can someone shed some light on this? This isn't making any sense.
April and Kerri are not on the same page but they are committed to playing with each other moving forward? What?
Kerri is against the FIVB because of an event in Chicago when they didn't consult with Kerri? Seriously? Get over it and help promote the sport that she helped build and helped give her so much. That's just ridiculous get over it already and move on, and quit doing that to your partner who committed to you.
And whoever said AVP was going not going to last, please shed light.
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Post by wilsonthevolleyball2 on Mar 14, 2017 20:35:02 GMT -5
Can someone shed some light on this? This isn't making any sense. April and Kerri are not on the same page but they are committed to playing with each other moving forward? What? Kerri is against the FIVB because of an event in Chicago when they didn't consult with Kerri? Seriously? Get over it and help promote the sport that she helped build and helped give her so much. That's just ridiculous get over it already and move on, and quit doing that to your partner who committed to you. And whoever said AVP was going not going to last, please shed light. Hey haze: to the best of my knowledge, it isn't that Kerri is against the FIVB: she is "against" the AVP because they chose Chicago to implement a few rule changes. She released a statement explaining why she strongly opposed the decision, and boycotted Chicago as a result. The fact that it was right after the Olympics, where interest in the sport was still being carried over from the Rio games, rubbed a few people the wrong way. And as for the AVP's longevity, (again this is just to the best of my rather limited knowledge), its really the same issues that is has always been. Namely, the league simply never recovered to what it once was during its "Golden Years". Its no secret that Donald Sun loses money every year running the league, has trouble securing TV sponsors, and simply has issues gaining spectators outside of Cali. Now of course the league does have tournaments outside Cali (the NYC tournament is one such that springs to mind), yet the feeling is that its not enough to really attract, and hold outside interest. Also, as others have talked about, its simply impossible for players other than the top few to really earn a living playing beach volleyball- and even for them its mighty hard. That acts as kind of a turn off for prospective players: why try to go pro if you can't make ends meet? Also, the thought is to the future: the men's side really doesn't have ANY new talent coming in; Kerri really is the face (or one of the faces) of the women's side, so after she retires (she is getting up there in years- no disrespect at all intended, just the fact that she is most likely looking toward the end of her pro career) there really isn't anyone that casual fans know of. And for the league to grow it needs to attract casual fans and turn them into diehard fans- somewhat hard to do. As Donald Sun himself admitted in his interview with VB Mag most people will be hard pressed to name the top 5 players. Plus, the whole AVP vs FIVB headbutt doesn't do anyone many favors either. Arguments can be made on both sides, some can articulate why the AVP will endure and be fine, so take what you will. In my own personal opinion, its just that the AVP's foundations really aren't as stable as they should be: if Kerri really DOES boycott this 2017, it will show just how much the league can really weather. |
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Post by wilsonthevolleyball2 on Mar 14, 2017 20:39:30 GMT -5
Can someone shed some light on this? This isn't making any sense. April and Kerri are not on the same page but they are committed to playing with each other moving forward? What? Kerri is against the FIVB because of an event in Chicago when they didn't consult with Kerri? Seriously? Get over it and help promote the sport that she helped build and helped give her so much. That's just ridiculous get over it already and move on, and quit doing that to your partner who committed to you. And whoever said AVP was going not going to last, please shed light. Hey haze: to the best of my knowledge, it isn't that Kerri is against the FIVB: she is "against" the AVP because they chose Chicago to implement a few rule changes. She released a statement explaining why she strongly opposed the decision, and boycotted Chicago as a result. The fact that it was right after the Olympics, where interest in the sport was still being carried over from the Rio games, rubbed a few people the wrong way. And as for the AVP's longevity, (again this is just to the best of my rather limited knowledge), its really the same issues that is has always been. Namely, the league simply never recovered to what it once was during its "Golden Years". Its no secret that Donald Sun loses money every year running the league, has trouble securing TV sponsors, and simply has issues gaining spectators outside of Cali. Now of course the league does have tournaments outside Cali (the NYC tournament is one such that springs to mind), yet the feeling is that its not enough to really attract, and hold outside interest. Also, as others have talked about, its simply impossible for players other than the top few to really earn a living playing beach volleyball- and even for them its mighty hard. That acts as kind of a turn off for prospective players: why try to go pro if you can't make ends meet? Also, the thought is to the future: the men's side really doesn't have ANY new talent coming in; Kerri really is the face (or one of the faces) of the women's side, so after she retires (she is getting up there in years- no disrespect at all intended, just the fact that she is most likely looking toward the end of her pro career) there really isn't anyone that casual fans know of. And for the league to grow it needs to attract casual fans and turn them into diehard fans- somewhat hard to do. As Donald Sun himself admitted in his interview with VB Mag most people will be hard pressed to name the top 5 players. Plus, the whole AVP vs FIVB headbutt doesn't do anyone many favors either. Arguments can be made on both sides, some can articulate why the AVP will endure and be fine, so take what you will. In my own personal opinion, its just that the AVP's foundations really aren't as stable as they should be: if Kerri really DOES boycott this 2017, it will show just how much the league can really weather. Also: the fact that Kerri might very well boycott this season might point to strains in her partnership with April: just judging by Chicago (April played, despite her partner not), they may not be on the same page anymore. I doubt April, or anyone else really, would want to skip the entire domestic season. Again though, that's something I really don't know much about, and just heard recently myself. Just throwing my 2 cents in the ring. |
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Post by downtheline on Mar 14, 2017 20:56:59 GMT -5
Why do people obsess with the idea that Donald Sun and the AVP losses money?
Before big TV & cable deals most all sports franchise were a money losing tax write off for weathly business owners.
Guess what ? The Sun family can utilize plenty more losses, write it off the $ Billion they make annually and never miss a beat.
When Donald can dump Al Lau and install a trustworthy and competent sports promotor and liaison to the athletes they will be on a better track.
He must up the winnings and allow the athletes a chance to cover expenses and pocket some dollars. You must cultivate a new breed of players, help promote and cross sell products via the players & sponsors, and create a family fun atmosphere for attendees.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 21:04:38 GMT -5
Wonder if Kerri & April read this stuff!? Maybe they can shed some light on the upcoming season for us. Just a thought....Or...Just maybe they don't care what we say or think...That could be a huge possibility.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 21:14:24 GMT -5
Why do people obsess with the idea that Donald Sun and the AVP losses money? Before big TV & cable deals most all sports franchise were a money losing tax write off for weathly business owners. Guess what ? The Sun family can utilize plenty more losses, write it off the $ Billion they make annually and never miss a beat. When Donald can dump Al Lau and install a trustworthy and competent sports promotor and liaison to the athletes they will be on a better track. He must up the winnings and allow the athletes a chance to cover expenses and pocket some dollars. You must cultivate a new breed of players, help promote and cross sell products via the players & sponsors, and create a family fun atmosphere for attendees. He's NOT doing that though. He can't even update his website. He has players listed that don't play on the AVP any longer or won't be playing on the AVP this year. The Player bios haven't been updated since 2014. I know the website is small potatoes to him, but for the average fan looking to see who they may be coming to watch at a tournament, it might be a big deal. |
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Post by wilsonthevolleyball2 on Mar 14, 2017 22:16:46 GMT -5
Why do people obsess with the idea that Donald Sun and the AVP losses money? Before big TV & cable deals most all sports franchise were a money losing tax write off for weathly business owners. Guess what ? The Sun family can utilize plenty more losses, write it off the $ Billion they make annually and never miss a beat. When Donald can dump Al Lau and install a trustworthy and competent sports promotor and liaison to the athletes they will be on a better track. He must up the winnings and allow the athletes a chance to cover expenses and pocket some dollars. You must cultivate a new breed of players, help promote and cross sell products via the players & sponsors, and create a family fun atmosphere for attendees. He's NOT doing that though. He can't even update his website. He has players listed that don't play on the AVP any longer or won't be playing on the AVP this year. The Player bios haven't been updated since 2014. I know the website is small potatoes to him, but for the average fan looking to see who they may be coming to watch at a tournament, it might be a big deal. Agreed. Keeping the site up to date would allow fans an easier way to keep up. At least in theory |
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Post by wilsonthevolleyball2 on Mar 14, 2017 22:22:00 GMT -5
Why do people obsess with the idea that Donald Sun and the AVP losses money? Before big TV & cable deals most all sports franchise were a money losing tax write off for weathly business owners. Guess what ? The Sun family can utilize plenty more losses, write it off the $ Billion they make annually and never miss a beat. When Donald can dump Al Lau and install a trustworthy and competent sports promotor and liaison to the athletes they will be on a better track. He must up the winnings and allow the athletes a chance to cover expenses and pocket some dollars. You must cultivate a new breed of players, help promote and cross sell products via the players & sponsors, and create a family fun atmosphere for attendees. Downtheline, you make a very excellent point. I would say that with Donald Sun it may be a bit different because he is literally the man bankrolling the tour. Sure, I would reckon that sponsorships and contracts come into play, but at the end of the day the AVP isn't a public entity with a lot of billionaire owners: it literally is his tour. Payed with his money. I don't see winnings going up in the near future, at least not all that much. |
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Post by guest2 on Mar 15, 2017 0:04:44 GMT -5
Can someone shed some light on this? This isn't making any sense. April and Kerri are not on the same page but they are committed to playing with each other moving forward? What? Kerri is against the FIVB because of an event in Chicago when they didn't consult with Kerri? Seriously? Get over it and help promote the sport that she helped build and helped give her so much. That's just ridiculous get over it already and move on, and quit doing that to your partner who committed to you. And whoever said AVP was going not going to last, please shed light. Hey haze: to the best of my knowledge, it isn't that Kerri is against the FIVB: she is "against" the AVP because they chose Chicago to implement a few rule changes. She released a statement explaining why she strongly opposed the decision, and boycotted Chicago as a result. The fact that it was right after the Olympics, where interest in the sport was still being carried over from the Rio games, rubbed a few people the wrong way. And as for the AVP's longevity, (again this is just to the best of my rather limited knowledge), its really the same issues that is has always been. Namely, the league simply never recovered to what it once was during its "Golden Years". Its no secret that Donald Sun loses money every year running the league, has trouble securing TV sponsors, and simply has issues gaining spectators outside of Cali. Now of course the league does have tournaments outside Cali (the NYC tournament is one such that springs to mind), yet the feeling is that its not enough to really attract, and hold outside interest. Also, as others have talked about, its simply impossible for players other than the top few to really earn a living playing beach volleyball- and even for them its mighty hard. That acts as kind of a turn off for prospective players: why try to go pro if you can't make ends meet? Also, the thought is to the future: the men's side really doesn't have ANY new talent coming in; Kerri really is the face (or one of the faces) of the women's side, so after she retires (she is getting up there in years- no disrespect at all intended, just the fact that she is most likely looking toward the end of her pro career) there really isn't anyone that casual fans know of. And for the league to grow it needs to attract casual fans and turn them into diehard fans- somewhat hard to do. As Donald Sun himself admitted in his interview with VB Mag most people will be hard pressed to name the top 5 players. Plus, the whole AVP vs FIVB headbutt doesn't do anyone many favors either. Arguments can be made on both sides, some can articulate why the AVP will endure and be fine, so take what you will. In my own personal opinion, its just that the AVP's foundations really aren't as stable as they should be: if Kerri really DOES boycott this 2017, it will show just how much the league can really weather. This isn't really true. Kerri skipping Chicago wasn't about new rules, it was about control. Why would she care about some minor rule changes at an event she had no chance of losing? If you accept Kerri's explanation at face value, maybe it was, but to do that you have to ignore some pretty glaring facts. The truth is that Kerri has ego-based issues with the AVP. She has boycotted multiple events in the past, not just Chicago, when she wasn't allowed to dictate terms and skipped others for reasons that are unclear. Manhattan last year is the event that truly shows how little Kerri cares about her fans or the sports development beyond lining her own pockets. On a weekend when: 1) There was no FIVB 2) The AVP event was close to her home - at the beach where she practices 3) Her husband was playing in the event She couldn't be bothered to show up. Not to play, not to shake some hands and sign some autographs. Its hard to imagine a more definitive anti-AVP statement without her actually making one. There are only two possible scenarios. One is that Kerri was holding out for more money from the AVP, and the second is Kerri is just a selfish ....... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 1:32:00 GMT -5
Guest 2.. There are only a few that actually care about Kerri missing a few events and one of them Is obvoiusly you. You make no mention to the fact that April was not playing in Manhatten either or there shaking hands or there meeting fans or there signing autographs.
Not sure you really truly get what Kerri has done for this sport and continues to do for this sport. All the while at almost 39 years old still one of the best players in the world. Not sure I would use egotistical & selfish to describe Kerri, but to each their own.
Back to the original subject Kerri-Toyko.....GO GET THE GOLD KERRI! If that's what you want, go for it....Be Limitless!!! The USA 🇺🇸 is behind you, minus a few haters!!
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Post by guest2 on Mar 15, 2017 8:28:36 GMT -5
Guest 2.. There are only a few that actually care about Kerri missing a few events and one of them Is obvoiusly you. You make no mention to the fact that April was not playing in Manhatten either or there shaking hands or there meeting fans or there signing autographs. Not sure you really truly get what Kerri has done for this sport and continues to do for this sport. All the while at almost 39 years old still one of the best players in the world. Not sure I would use egotistical & selfish to describe Kerri, but to each their own. Back to the original subject Kerri-Toyko.....GO GET THE GOLD KERRI! If that's what you want, go for it....Be Limitless!!! The USA 🇺🇸 is behind you, minus a few haters!! Anyone who would say that the word egoistical doesn't suit Kerri is either ignorant or dumb. Thats it. Ask some of the posters who know her. Most elite athletes are egotistical and certainly most of the male players are so its not exactly a huge insult, but come on. Denying that is like denying gravity She couldn't drive three miles to show up at the biggest domestic US event of the year. I make no mention of the fact that April wasn't there because April hasn't established a pattern of snubbing domestic events throughout her career. Kerri has. She has thrown multiple rules based fits and refused to show up based on that not once but twice. She has skipped a lot of domestic tournaments over the years because she couldn't be bothered or the AVP wouldn't pony up extra money for her. She refused to show up after committing at the biggest domestic event in years - the post Olympics AVP and I for one think if it werent new rules it would have been something else. What she has done for the sport? What does she continue to do? Please name these things. The idea that Kerri has done anything for the sport that didn't directly benefit her is BS. To do something for the sport looks like Sinjin/Randy giving up practice time to get into Rochester early to do bar appearances to promote the event, or a lot of the other early guys showing up anywhere they were asked. Staying late after every event to make the local decision makers feel like they got a great deal and are appreciated. Giving up his own prize money so low ranked players that add zero short term value to events can get paid. Kerri's attitude is a whole lot more akin to Naomi Campbell than to Sinjin or some of the other players who have actually done a lot for the game. Kerri Walsh has done a lot for Kerri Walsh. She is hands down the greates women's player ever, but why her fans think that means she has virtue off the court is beyond me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 9:32:53 GMT -5
Guest 2...My interactions with Kerri have been strictly from a fan standpoint 3 times. She was nothing but wonderful to me & my Family, unlike some others that weren't so pleasurable. I refuse to hold skipping a few tournies against her. I will continue to support her and any future decisions she feels is appropriate for her career. I have followed her career from the beginning. I don't pretend to know to know her personally. I am glad you know her so well and have shed some light on the "REAL" Kerri Walsh. I will go out on a limb and say that the posters on Volleytalk may think they know these athletes, but really don't know these athletes. In the words of April Ross about a year ago...Volleytalk is a joke...If you want to to get all rumor and no fact, go to Volleytalk!
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Post by guest2 on Mar 15, 2017 11:07:52 GMT -5
Guest 2...My interactions with Kerri have been strictly from a fan standpoint 3 times. She was nothing but wonderful to me & my Family, unlike some others that weren't so pleasurable. I refuse to hold skipping a few tournies against her. I will continue to support her and any future decisions she feels is appropriate for her career. I have followed her career from the beginning. I don't pretend to know to know her personally. I am glad you know her so well and have shed some light on the "REAL" Kerri Walsh. I will go out on a limb and say that the posters on Volleytalk may think they know these athletes, but really don't know these athletes. In the words of April Ross about a year ago...Volleytalk is a joke...If you want to to get all rumor and no fact, go to Volleytalk! Skipping a few events? Since Kerri started playing AVP, EY has played more events in the US, despite retiring seven years ago |
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Post by greenpier on Mar 15, 2017 11:15:39 GMT -5
This isn't really true.
Kerri skipping Chicago wasn't about new rules, it was about control.
The truth is that Kerri has ego-based issues with the AVP.
Manhattan last year is the event that truly shows how little Kerri cares about her fans or the sports development beyond lining her own pockets.
On a weekend when:
The AVP event was close to her home - at the beach where she practices
Her husband was playing in the event
She couldn't be bothered to show up.....................Kerri is just a selfish .......
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Post by greenpier on Mar 15, 2017 11:19:24 GMT -5
She refused to show up after committing at the biggest domestic event in years - the post Olympics AVP and I for one think if it werent new rules it would have been something else.
What she has done for the sport? What does she continue to do? Please name these things.
The idea that Kerri has done anything for the sport that didn't directly benefit her is BS.
Stanford has weird way of turning people who have healthy ego's in self centered egomaniacs. Walsh does not care about the sport unless it suits her. |
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