wlwii
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Post by wlwii on Mar 27, 2017 16:44:49 GMT -5
Sorry to move the thread further off topic. Really enjoy Bansley's skills and energy. Anyone know what happened to her former tall Maloney (sp?) ?
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 27, 2017 17:42:43 GMT -5
Sorry to move the thread further off topic. Really enjoy Bansley's skills and energy. Anyone know what happened to her former tall Maloney (sp?) ? Retired three or so years ago. |
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Post by wlwii on Mar 27, 2017 19:11:58 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by JB Southpaw on Mar 28, 2017 8:47:43 GMT -5
C'mon Guest2 - you honestly don't think Kerri got that much better alone, do you? Sinjin played a huge part in who Randy became, and the exact same thing with Phil and Todd, and Misty and Kerri. You can't seriously think that Kerri would have been anywhere nearly as successful if she had not paired up with Misty, do you? To say that there is no one who possibly can get near Kerri with her shoulder and age is, again, just in my humble opinion, plain silly. I've been to around 4-5 AVP/FIVB tourneys in person the last several years, but who you might think is out there right this red hot second makes absolutely no difference. The incredibly talent down in Gulf Shores the past few years leads me to think that yes, there could actually be a few breakout bigs who blossom during the next three years and blow past Kerri. Again, just my opinion, but I just read that Sarah Pavan is coming back to the beach, and if she decides to move to the US and play for us, she will be 34, in her prime, and could be the next Kerri. Or maybe one of the Rolfzen twins heads to the beach full-time - HA!!! While Pavan spends a lot of time in Hermosa Beach as it is, I've never gotten the impression she had any interest in switching sides, as it were. Not seeing it. Also, Pavan just isn't that good, She's about to find what is life is like without an absolute digging machine behind her. Fendrick is better (not to mention Kerri). Kathryn Plummer is 19 and already better than Pavan (Plummer, if she decides to give beach a full time go - which is far from a given - has the raw ability to become the next dominant blocker). Rolfzen's, doubtful it will ever happen. For whatever reason, Nebraska players (outside of Kropp) have been very, very resistant to committing to beach. As for the Olympics discussion, there's a long list of athletes who have competed for different countries, and it goes back decades. Would a Hughes and Plummer pairing be the best hope in 2020? |
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 28, 2017 11:09:58 GMT -5
While Pavan spends a lot of time in Hermosa Beach as it is, I've never gotten the impression she had any interest in switching sides, as it were. Not seeing it. Also, Pavan just isn't that good, She's about to find what is life is like without an absolute digging machine behind her. Fendrick is better (not to mention Kerri). Kathryn Plummer is 19 and already better than Pavan (Plummer, if she decides to give beach a full time go - which is far from a given - has the raw ability to become the next dominant blocker). Rolfzen's, doubtful it will ever happen. For whatever reason, Nebraska players (outside of Kropp) have been very, very resistant to committing to beach. As for the Olympics discussion, there's a long list of athletes who have competed for different countries, and it goes back decades. Would a Hughes and Plummer pairing be the best hope in 2020? Realistically, 2024. For the next three years, Plummer is a college student/indoor player who plays a little beach on the side. Impossible for her to make a run at 2020. |
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Post by JB Southpaw on Mar 28, 2017 13:37:51 GMT -5
Would a Hughes and Plummer pairing be the best hope in 2020? Realistically, 2024. For the next three years, Plummer is a college student/indoor player who plays a little beach on the side. Impossible for her to make a run at 2020. More theoretical, would they be the best US team if they went full time for the next 3 years? |
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Post by wang pu on Mar 28, 2017 15:39:39 GMT -5
I'd love to hear more about why you think Fendi is better than Pavan. To me it seems clear Sarah is a much better hitter/blocker and not much difference in passing, serving, setting etc. Am I wrong about that? Other than Kerri and Kira (who I know you also aren't a big fan of) is there a comparable blocker to Sarah on tour now? Oh, I'm on the Walkenhorst bandwagon these days. She's improved immensely. Pavan puts up a huge block (although she can be late with it), but she's slow, doesn't transition well, and gets caught in no-man's land too often. OTOH, Pavan's length allows her to hit angles other players don't. If you had to pick a player based purely on their effectiveness within three feet of the net, Pavan is right up there. But the women's game isn't played that way - you have to constantly pull/pass/transition. Based on those requirements, I'd put (in no particular order) Walsh, Agatha, Talita, Walkenhorst, Fendrick (by a nose, because Lauren is more physical and has better instincts than Pavan), Xue (if healthy), and maybe the very underrated Verge-Depre. Pavan can be a very effective player, but I certainly don't believe she can be the "next Kerri" - which is the main point I was responding to in my prior post. Also, while it's way too small a sample size to base an argument on, it is definitely interesting that the first time Bansley and Pavan squared off against each other, Bansley/Wilkerson (who is an OK player) handled Pavan/Human-Paredes. Has Pavan gone beach full time or does she still make too much money indoors? |
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 28, 2017 15:54:06 GMT -5
Realistically, 2024. For the next three years, Plummer is a college student/indoor player who plays a little beach on the side. Impossible for her to make a run at 2020. More theoretical, would they be the best US team if they went full time for the next 3 years? Maybe. I think it might depend on how much/how little Walsh drops off as she gets older. But in terms of potential, I don't know if there is a better pair than Hughes/Plummer. |
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Post by downtheline on Mar 29, 2017 0:52:18 GMT -5
What makes you think Karch is going to let KP leave ASC for the beach? It's ultimately up to her but a big bomber that can block & pass is going to make a bunch more playing indoor for the foreseeable future.
When Claes is at her peak training state she is more mobile and agile than Plummer, perhaps more athletic on the beach.
If Claes and Hughes continue their year by year incremental improvement both individually and collectively they may not only be the best for Team USAV but a contender on the FIVB tour.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 29, 2017 6:24:22 GMT -5
Can one player on a team accept prize money? If Plummer is already better than Pavan - hard to believe - wouldn't someone like Kendra or Lane try to pick her up?
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Post by wang pu on Mar 29, 2017 12:44:21 GMT -5
Can one player on a team accept prize money? If Plummer is already better than Pavan - hard to believe - wouldn't someone like Kendra or Lane try to pick her up? That's a good question. I'm assuming yes, as I cannot see Fendrick giving up prize money to play with Hughes in Lauderdale. |
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Post by haze on Mar 29, 2017 15:20:33 GMT -5
Count me in as someone who thinks Pavan isn't that great. She's a one dimensional player that isn't dominant at blocking enough to be great.
She's terrible in transition, and her attacking is average although I think she win's a lot of points because of her reach and angle she hits at.
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Post by haze on Mar 29, 2017 15:22:43 GMT -5
Plummer is a focal indoor player and will play overseas for a few years. I would not count on her playing Beach at all fulltime anytime soon.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 29, 2017 15:59:13 GMT -5
Count me in as someone who thinks Pavan isn't that great. She's a one dimensional player that isn't dominant at blocking enough to be great. She's terrible in transition, and her attacking is average although I think she win's a lot of points because of her reach and angle she hits at. Reach and angle are key parts of hitting. I'm surprised how negative everyone is about Pavan. I also think a lot of people tend to overrate defense and underrate blocking. Does Pavan have a little Doherty in her? Sure. But she has podium finishes in roughly a third of her tournaments the last two years (6 of 20). Those aren't Kerri numbers but Sarah's finishes in 9 tournies last year were better than every US big combined other than Summer and April have in their careers. |
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Post by haze on Mar 29, 2017 17:49:41 GMT -5
Count me in as someone who thinks Pavan isn't that great. She's a one dimensional player that isn't dominant at blocking enough to be great. She's terrible in transition, and her attacking is average although I think she win's a lot of points because of her reach and angle she hits at. Reach and angle are key parts of hitting. I'm surprised how negative everyone is about Pavan. I also think a lot of people tend to overrate defense and underrate blocking. Does Pavan have a little Doherty in her? Sure. But she has podium finishes in roughly a third of her tournaments the last two years (6 of 20). Those aren't Kerri numbers but Sarah's finishes in 9 tournies last year were better than every US big combined other than Summer and April have in their careers. Her reach and angles are given as a genetic reward, and not an earned skill IMO. I think blocking is the only thing she does really well, but she isn't consistently dominant with it. Her attacking should be a lot better for someone of her stature and she's an absolute liability to her partner in transition and makes them work twice as hard. Her foot speed is slow as %*$# and she doesn't ever better the ball. I think she's a pretty good Beach Volleyball player. Not great by any means. She probably is an equal to Dougherty. I don't think Dougherty is that great of a player either. |
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