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Post by keeweekid on May 7, 2017 10:56:00 GMT -5
I would be in favor of a "Golden Set" if the winner's bracket team lost.
Looks like it is shaping up to be Pepperdine vs USC in the finals.
Let's say Pepperdine wins beats USC. They are now "National Champions". But, it seems a little tainted as USC beat Pepperdine on Saturday, Pepperdine beat USC on Sunday and each only has 1 loss. So, in essence, Pepperdine over a span of 48 hours, won on the correct day while USC lost on the wrong day. To me...sounds like they are even and they kind of tied.
Every team except 1 team (winners bracket finalist) gets a safety net of losing once. Yes, the consolation bracket team plays more VB (in this case Pepperdine plays 1 additional match). Is playing 1 additional match equal to the winners bracket finalist having no safety net of losing once?? I realize there is an arguement that the consolation bracket team plays more but having played tournaments myself, I hate having a 1st round bye. Come in quasi cold while the other team is warmed up and riding positive results of recently winning.
Plus, would make for exciting finish in a "Golden Set" format. One game to 21 for all 5 teams.
Kind of wish AVP did the same to an extent. Seems somewhat odd that it is a double elimination tournament...all the way up to a certain point. Have a bad game early, no big deal, you can play your way back in. Play awesome early but have an off game near the end...your tournament is done.
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Post by DiggUH on May 7, 2017 10:58:24 GMT -5
I was a little surprised that the 3rd and winning point for Pepp came on court 4 as Kan/Homayun cruised in set 1. I thought UH had a good chance to get that point and perhaps come down to courts 3 & 5 where they were still in it. Still, a good NC for the Sandbows.
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Post by hwnstunner on May 7, 2017 11:17:41 GMT -5
Whoa, that's a game-changer. I thought it would be double-elimation the whole way through. Am I the only one who thinks that's unfair to USC? Softball and baseball NCAA would run a second game on championship day. Hmmm ... that is interesting you see it that way. Guess it's double elimination until the final. Since the other team had to fight through the loser's bracket maybe. But what would you suggest - a golden set? Like one final set that determines the winner. So potentially in the championship match, if the winner's bracket team loses, one more final set to decide? (which would satisfy the 2 losses). But that would kind of be unfair since coming from the consolation bracket, those teams had to play in to face the winner's bracket team. That could potentially be a lot of volleyball. Lots of volleyball, but essentially that's a "true" double-elimination tournament for a championship. For instance, the BWC Championship ran a true double-elimination where Hawaii made the final out of the winners bracket and LBSU would have had to defeat Hawaii twice for the title. The odds are still in favor of the team that made it to the final of the winners bracket since they just need to win one. I just don't know if it honors the fact the team that made it straight to the final went 3-0, and could lose in the final. I'd like that final set. Maybe its not good for TV?
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Post by whisp3r on May 7, 2017 11:26:59 GMT -5
Bandwagoner court 5 fans. 1 min its empty except a few people, the next it's full all around. It goes to a 3rd set & just as fast as they crowded around them, *poof* they all run to court 4. lol Have some faith in the 5s, as well as the 4s.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on May 7, 2017 11:40:39 GMT -5
Hmmm ... that is interesting you see it that way. Guess it's double elimination until the final. Since the other team had to fight through the loser's bracket maybe. But what would you suggest - a golden set? Like one final set that determines the winner. So potentially in the championship match, if the winner's bracket team loses, one more final set to decide? (which would satisfy the 2 losses). But that would kind of be unfair since coming from the consolation bracket, those teams had to play in to face the winner's bracket team. That could potentially be a lot of volleyball. Lots of volleyball, but essentially that's a "true" double-elimination tournament for a championship. For instance, the BWC Championship ran a true double-elimination where Hawaii made the final out of the winners bracket and LBSU would have had to defeat Hawaii twice for the title. The odds are still in favor of the team that made it to the final of the winners bracket since they just need to win one. I just don't know if it honors the fact the team that made it straight to the final went 3-0, and could lose in the final. I'd like that final set. Maybe its not good for TV? the Big West conf tournament format was a total joke not that it was likely, but the Big West set it up that 'potentially' a loser's bracket team on Sunday would have to play 11 am, 12 am, 1 pm, and 2 pm to win the tournament.............that's just a complete joke and no common sense thought was put into it, I know it has to be tougher to work your way back after a loss, but cmon whoever set that up really thought that a team should have to play 4 straight matches over 4 hours?? the winner's bracket winner should have an advantage, but it shouldn't be set up to give basically no chance for any team that loses, otherwise why even bother with a loser's bracket - they might have just as well played single elimination and conducted the tournament in one day hopefully the coaches put some input into the format to add some common sense next year I like the national format, it makes for better quality VB, and the winner's bracket gets an advantage even if it's not true double elimination
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Post by hwnstunner on May 7, 2017 12:40:26 GMT -5
Lots of volleyball, but essentially that's a "true" double-elimination tournament for a championship. For instance, the BWC Championship ran a true double-elimination where Hawaii made the final out of the winners bracket and LBSU would have had to defeat Hawaii twice for the title. The odds are still in favor of the team that made it to the final of the winners bracket since they just need to win one. I just don't know if it honors the fact the team that made it straight to the final went 3-0, and could lose in the final. I'd like that final set. Maybe its not good for TV? the Big West conf tournament format was a total joke not that it was likely, but the Big West set it up that 'potentially' a loser's bracket team on Sunday would have to play 11 am, 12 am, 1 pm, and 2 pm to win the tournament.............that's just a complete joke and no common sense thought was put into it, I know it has to be tougher to work your way back after a loss, but cmon whoever set that up really thought that a team should have to play 4 straight matches over 4 hours?? the winner's bracket winner should have an advantage, but it shouldn't be set up to give basically no chance for any team that loses, otherwise why even bother with a loser's bracket - they might have just as well played single elimination and conducted the tournament in one day hopefully the coaches put some input into the format to add some common sense next year I like the national format, it makes for better quality VB, and the winner's bracket gets an advantage even if it's not true double elimination I agree that it was ridiculous. But that could easily be fixed by adding a third day to the tournament. Similar to how the NCAAs are, just with a double-elimination. Any way, I'm not gonna get into this more, it's just a thought.
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Post by vballfreak808 on May 7, 2017 13:37:59 GMT -5
#1 USC vs #3 Pepperdine No. 1: Claes/Hughes vs Knudsen/Roh No. 2: Bukovec/Wheeler vs Howard/Quiggle No. 3: Cannon/Martin vs Caputo/Dyer No. 4: Bustamante/Dennis vs Kraft/Wilson (14-21) No. 5: Belton/Kremer vs Lyons/Seiber (21-18)
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Post by Fight On! on May 7, 2017 13:50:45 GMT -5
Dennis and Bustamante look slow and uninspired.
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Post by vballfreak808 on May 7, 2017 13:54:21 GMT -5
#1 USC vs #3 Pepperdine No. 1: Claes/Hughes vs Knudsen/Roh No. 2: Bukovec/Wheeler vs Howard/Quiggle No. 3: Cannon/Martin vs Caputo/Dyer No. 4: Bustamante/Dennis vs Kraft/Wilson (14-21, 17-21) | 1 No. 5: Belton/Kremer vs Lyons/Seiber (21-18, 21-15) | 2
Order to Finish: 1, 2
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Post by Fight On! on May 7, 2017 14:24:44 GMT -5
USC isn't looking sharp
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Post by vballfreak808 on May 7, 2017 14:26:51 GMT -5
#1 USC vs #3 Pepperdine No. 1: Claes/Hughes vs Knudsen/Roh (19-21) No. 2: Bukovec/Wheeler vs Howard/Quiggle (18-21) No. 3: Cannon/Martin vs Caputo/Dyer (21-19) No. 4: Bustamante/Dennis vs Kraft/Wilson (14-21, 17-21) | 1 No. 5: Belton/Kremer vs Lyons/Seiber (21-18, 21-15) | 2
Order to Finish: 1, 2
Nicolette Martin serves three straight aces to come from behind and take the set. That's huge for them.
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Post by specter54 on May 7, 2017 14:47:50 GMT -5
Kelly Claes taking over. Things swinging USC's way on the other courts too.
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Post by vballfreak808 on May 7, 2017 14:48:57 GMT -5
#1 USC vs #3 Pepperdine No. 1: Claes/Hughes vs Knudsen/Roh (19-21, 21-13) No. 2: Bukovec/Wheeler vs Howard/Quiggle (18-21, 21-16, 13-15) | 3 No. 3: Cannon/Martin vs Caputo/Dyer (21-19, 18-21) No. 4: Bustamante/Dennis vs Kraft/Wilson (14-21, 17-21) | 1 No. 5: Belton/Kremer vs Lyons/Seiber (21-18, 21-15) | 2
Order to Finish: 4, 5, 2
Pepperdine leads 2-1
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Post by specter54 on May 7, 2017 14:50:11 GMT -5
Some good games all around. I'm glad this is close.
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Post by vballfreak808 on May 7, 2017 15:01:08 GMT -5
#1 USC vs #3 Pepperdine No. 1: Claes/Hughes vs Knudsen/Roh (19-21, 21-13, 15-10) | 4 No. 2: Bukovec/Wheeler vs Howard/Quiggle (18-21, 21-16, 13-15) | 3 No. 3: Cannon/Martin vs Caputo/Dyer (21-19, 18-21) No. 4: Bustamante/Dennis vs Kraft/Wilson (14-21, 17-21) | 1 No. 5: Belton/Kremer vs Lyons/Seiber (21-18, 21-15) | 2
Order to Finish: 4, 5, 2, 1
USC ties it up 2-2 and now its all up to the #3's.
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