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Post by bbg95 on Sept 12, 2022 19:07:36 GMT -5
TBD at this point. Still unlikely, but probably slightly better odds than prior to Sunday. If anything, the locker room should be looser and better able to focus without all the drama of when/where/how Frost was going to get the axe. I wish universities and NFL clubs were more inventive about how they fire their coaches. Maybe Lane Kiffin getting whacked on a tarmac can't be topped. Kind of like Maurice Greene's legendary post-race celebration in which his buddy broke out a fire extinguisher on his shoes. If it can't be topped, why bother trying?
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Sept 12, 2022 19:13:51 GMT -5
If anything, the locker room should be looser and better able to focus without all the drama of when/where/how Frost was going to get the axe. I wish universities and NFL clubs were more inventive about how they fire their coaches. Maybe Lane Kiffin getting whacked on a tarmac can't be topped. Kind of like Maurice Greene's legendary post-race celebration in which his buddy broke out a fire extinguisher on his shoes. If it can't be topped, why bother trying? Haha. I have two friends who were on Kiffin’s staff, and they both told me that day was even more batsh!t than what was reported.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 12, 2022 19:15:35 GMT -5
If anything, the locker room should be looser and better able to focus without all the drama of when/where/how Frost was going to get the axe. I wish universities and NFL clubs were more inventive about how they fire their coaches. Maybe Lane Kiffin getting whacked on a tarmac can't be topped. Kind of like Maurice Greene's legendary post-race celebration in which his buddy broke out a fire extinguisher on his shoes. If it can't be topped, why bother trying? You know how some of these schools make a big show of escorting the head coach around on the field with state troopers? I suppose right after a loss, mid-field, they could handcuff the coach and march him away in disgrace.
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Post by jayj79 on Sept 12, 2022 19:25:07 GMT -5
I wish universities and NFL clubs were more inventive about how they fire their coaches. Maybe Lane Kiffin getting whacked on a tarmac can't be topped. Kind of like Maurice Greene's legendary post-race celebration in which his buddy broke out a fire extinguisher on his shoes. If it can't be topped, why bother trying? You know how some of these schools make a big show of escorting the head coach around on the field with state troopers? I suppose right after a loss, mid-field, they could handcuff the coach and march him away in disgrace. that would be illegal.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 12, 2022 21:13:52 GMT -5
Yeah, that mob got Frank Solich fired, and it’s been downhill ever since. The mob needs to realize that Nebraska might not ever get back to being a national power the way they used to be, and that no one coach is going to be able to get it done unless you give that coach 5+ years to turn EVERYTHING about the program around. I'm no Nebraska fan, but I don't know how anyone would want the Frost era to continue. This is his fifth year, and he just got outplayed by Georgia Southern and outcoached by Clay Helton. I watched the 4th quarter, and Georgia Southern winning was no fluke. Nebraska lacks physical talent (relative to the Big 10 in general), is undisciplined, and the playcalling is sketch. The last two have been constants during Frost's time in Lincoln. Canning Solich after a 9-3 season doesn't look so great now, but IIRC at the time Nebraska was only a few years removed from winning and/or competing for national championships, and 9-3 wasn't cutting it (I think he had a not-so-great season the year before, too?) for the Husker faithful. After that, though, the slide began in earnest. I mean, Bill Callahan? I agree that a new coach at Nebraska needs time. Unless Nebraska can make a Lincoln Riley-esque superstar hire where half the kids in the transfer portal end up in Lincoln, it's going to take time to bring in and develop talent. On the positive side, Bo Pelini is available! The beginning of the end for Solich (and for Nebraska's era of dominance, for that matter) was the 62-36 beatdown that Colorado put on the Huskers on Black Friday in 2001. They then snuck into the BCS Championship Game and got beat down again by a historically great Miami team. They went 7-7 the next season, and though they went 9-3 in the regular season the following year, they got blown out in all three losses to Missouri, Texas and Kansas State. I don't remember the exact circumstances surrounding Callahan's hire, but I think Nebraska struck out on at least their first couple of choices.
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Post by knapplc on Sept 12, 2022 21:29:04 GMT -5
There are kids playing their final year of football. If we can somehow manage a bowl game for them, that would be great. That's one of the stated reasons for canning Frost now. There was zero chance he was getting this team to a bowl this year. How non-zero is the chance without Frost for three extra weeks? Is it $7.5M non-zero? Vanishingly small. Probably nonexistent, to be honest. But there are kids on this team who have never smelled anything remotely like success. And they deserve a shot. That resonates with most of us, including some of us Nebraskans for whom that buyout is nothing. $7.5 million is chump change to some of the folks here. I guess someone decided not to gild their yacht this year, and give these kids a chance.
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Post by knapplc on Sept 12, 2022 21:30:33 GMT -5
No one holds that against you. But you're a Rush fan, which means you have discernment. There's always a chance.
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Post by knapplc on Sept 12, 2022 21:34:53 GMT -5
Nebraska football at this point reminds me of Long Beach women's volleyball. Or maybe it's the other way around. In both cases, the 1990s are never coming back, but it's not too much to ask for such storied programs to at the very least win more often than they lose. Perhaps a better analogy is Minnesota Football. I think the Gophers have around about the same fully realized national championships as Nebraska. Nebraska's heyday was a generation ago. Minnesota's was two-ish? Maybe three? Long Beach VB isn't far off, though. We could split hairs on the analogy. Bottom line is, there's a history of greatness, a chance to get back to the top with luck and the right hire, but the epicenter of the sport has moved away from these former powers.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 12, 2022 21:53:04 GMT -5
Nebraska football at this point reminds me of Long Beach women's volleyball. Or maybe it's the other way around. In both cases, the 1990s are never coming back, but it's not too much to ask for such storied programs to at the very least win more often than they lose. Perhaps a better analogy is Minnesota Football. I think the Gophers have around about the same fully realized national championships as Nebraska. Nebraska's heyday was a generation ago. Minnesota's was two-ish? Maybe three? Long Beach VB isn't far off, though. We could split hairs on the analogy. Bottom line is, there's a history of greatness, a chance to get back to the top with luck and the right hire, but the epicenter of the sport has moved away from these former powers. Yeah, Minnesota football is definitely an example of what can happen to a formerly great program. It looks like the last time Minnesota was relevant was in the early 1960s, so Nebraska at this point is about where Minnesota was around 1985 or so. If they flounder for 20 more years (maybe 10), they'll be Minnesota.
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Post by Mocha on Sept 12, 2022 23:18:06 GMT -5
Miami football is another program that has seen better days.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 12, 2022 23:22:57 GMT -5
Miami football is another program that has seen better days. Very true, but Miami has tons of talent in their backyard, so it's a much easier rebuild than Nebraska is.
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Post by savannahbadger on Sept 13, 2022 1:49:23 GMT -5
Perhaps a better analogy is Minnesota Football. I think the Gophers have around about the same fully realized national championships as Nebraska. Nebraska's heyday was a generation ago. Minnesota's was two-ish? Maybe three? Minnesota was barely relevant in the 1960’s, and their last “national title” was a year they lost the Rose Bowl. They were pretty dominant back in the 1930’s though, so that’s 90 years ago, and pretty much no one alive remembers those days. Minnesota fired Glen Mason in a similar manner to how Frank Solich was canned, and the Gophers were mired in futility for nearly 20 years until PeeWee Fleck has made them competitive again. Ironically, Peej is someone that Nebraska might try to hire away, and I would instantly break out the popcorn to watch how that unfolds for both programs. The landscape has changed since Nebraska was last dominant, not being able to stockpile talent after the 85 scholarship limits, and no longer being able to take partial qualifiers. Those two things are pretty major stumbling blocks to returning to the glory days Husker fans think is just the right coach away. It’s not.
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Post by knapplc on Sept 13, 2022 6:21:00 GMT -5
The landscape has changed since Nebraska was last dominant, not being able to stockpile talent after the 85 scholarship limits, and no longer being able to take partial qualifiers. Those two things are pretty major stumbling blocks to returning to the glory days Husker fans think is just the right coach away. It’s not. No one is more aware of this than Husker fan. You'll find the occasional goob who thinks we'll compete for national titles again soon, but the vast, vast majority of fans understand what Nebraska will be moving forward. At this point, we need to crack .500 before anything else. From there, competing for the Big Ten West.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2022 7:26:06 GMT -5
The landscape has changed since Nebraska was last dominant, not being able to stockpile talent after the 85 scholarship limits, and no longer being able to take partial qualifiers. Those two things are pretty major stumbling blocks to returning to the glory days Husker fans think is just the right coach away. It’s not. No one is more aware of this than Husker fan. You'll find the occasional goob who thinks we'll compete for national titles again soon, but the vast, vast majority of fans understand what Nebraska will be moving forward. At this point, we need to crack .500 before anything else. From there, competing for the Big Ten West. An ESPN source said Nebraska's going to hire the Iowa State coach as soon as the season's done. All I could think was--why would you leave a Big 12 title contender, a team that made a big bowl two years ago and is now putting out NFL players regularly for Nebraska? That statement right there tells you how far Nebraska's fallen. What they need is a coach needing a redemption arc (Urban Meyer--yuck) or they need someone from FCS with proven results like the James Madison coach (just moved to FBS).
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Post by savannahbadger on Sept 13, 2022 9:20:06 GMT -5
The landscape has changed since Nebraska was last dominant, not being able to stockpile talent after the 85 scholarship limits, and no longer being able to take partial qualifiers. Those two things are pretty major stumbling blocks to returning to the glory days Husker fans think is just the right coach away. It’s not. No one is more aware of this than Husker fan. You'll find the occasional goob who thinks we'll compete for national titles again soon, but the vast, vast majority of fans understand what Nebraska will be moving forward. At this point, we need to crack .500 before anything else. From there, competing for the Big Ten West. So is “the mob” really just the old big money donors surrounding the program? On other sites I’ve frequented that focused on Badger Football, we mostly only got visitors/trolls from Iowa and Minnesota that would post. I can’t remember a single Husker fan joining that board, but I remember all the delusional Gopher and Hawkeye fans.
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