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Post by bbg95 on Sept 14, 2022 15:52:10 GMT -5
Oh, man. Someone on Reddit pointed out that the Omaha World-Herald published a book after Frost's hire that is complete with fan fiction. This is so completely on brand for Nebraska media. Of course they beat Michigan for the Big Ten title, and of course Steve Spurrier is the CFP chair. A bit weird that the 2028 quarterback that is basically reciting Frost's begging in 1997 verbatim is named Jimmy Chitwood, though.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 14, 2022 16:21:09 GMT -5
There is something that is just so poetic about Nebraska's decline over the last 25 years. After the Orange Bowl on January 2, 1998, Frost used his post-game interview to beg the coaches to give Tom Osborne a retirement gift. It worked, as Nebraska edged Michigan in the final coaches poll by four points and two first-place votes (Michigan won the AP poll decisively). Nebraska has been in decline ever since, first getting blasted by Colorado and Miami in the 2001 season and then firing five coaches in a row with increasingly worse results (apart from Pelini, who did better than Callahan). The fact that Frost himself took over the program, was hailed as a savior, and then became arguably the worst coach in program history is just the perfect culmination of this story.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 15, 2022 10:12:42 GMT -5
Man, looking back, that Pelini firing is just terrible optics. Nebraska fired a dude who had seven straight seasons with 9 or 10 wins. I know Nebraska fans claim this firing was somewhat justified (apparently Pelini was kind of a jerk), but this is not the kind of thing prospective coaches want to see. It reminds me a bit of UCLA basketball firing Ben Howland, who went to three straight Final Fours. I know there were supposedly good reasons for that too, but there's a reason why they ended up with like their fifth choice in their next two coaching searches. But at least UCLA has the appeal of living in Southern California.
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Post by FreeBall on Sept 15, 2022 11:12:10 GMT -5
Man, looking back, that Pellini firing is just terrible optics. Nebraska fired a dude who had seven straight seasons with 9 or 10 wins. I know Nebraska fans claim this firing was somewhat justified (apparently Pellini was kind of a jerk), but this is not the kind of thing prospective coaches want to see. You mean this guy. No, he definitely had to go.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 15, 2022 11:19:51 GMT -5
Man, looking back, that Pelini firing is just terrible optics. Nebraska fired a dude who had seven straight seasons with 9 or 10 wins. I know Nebraska fans claim this firing was somewhat justified (apparently Pelini was kind of a jerk), but this is not the kind of thing prospective coaches want to see. You mean this guy. No, he definitely had to go. Maybe he did. I'm just saying that this isn't going to look great to other coaches. Changing athletic directors every four years or so doesn't help either.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Sept 15, 2022 12:41:20 GMT -5
You mean this guy. No, he definitely had to go. Maybe he did. I'm just saying that this isn't going to look great to other coaches. Changing athletic directors every four years or so doesn't help either. Well, I think most coaches are aware of Pelini's history of erratic behavior. Calling your own fans "a bunch of f***ing fairweather f***ing" fans and telling them to kiss your ass is rarely a winning strategy. But yeah, the appearance of an unstable athletic administration is a big red (pun intended!) flag for most coaches, IMO.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 15, 2022 12:56:32 GMT -5
Maybe he did. I'm just saying that this isn't going to look great to other coaches. Changing athletic directors every four years or so doesn't help either. Well, I think most coaches are aware of Pelini's history of erratic behavior. Calling your own fans "a bunch of f***ing fairweather f***ing" fans and telling them to kiss your ass is rarely a winning strategy. But yeah, the appearance of an unstable athletic administration is a big red (pun intended!) flag for most coaches, IMO. Sure. I mean, if it's one coach, okay. But they've fired five coaches in a row. Justified or not, that is a bad look. Like I said, it's really reminiscent of UCLA men's basketball (their fans will tell you how every firing was justified too), except without the allure of living in LA and the tons of talent near your campus.
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Post by staticb on Sept 15, 2022 22:06:58 GMT -5
Man, looking back, that Pelini firing is just terrible optics. Nebraska fired a dude who had seven straight seasons with 9 or 10 wins. I know Nebraska fans claim this firing was somewhat justified (apparently Pelini was kind of a jerk), but this is not the kind of thing prospective coaches want to see. It reminds me a bit of UCLA basketball firing Ben Howland, who went to three straight Final Fours. I know there were supposedly good reasons for that too, but there's a reason why they ended up with like their fifth choice in their next two coaching searches. But at least UCLA has the appeal of living in Southern California. With every recent hiring/firing, there's been worse and worse candidates applying from the pool it seems. That said, we are at rock bottom and I think we might have a better group of candidates applying this time. Or I'm delusional. (Also on brand for Nebraska who fired Danny Nee for not being able to get to the second round and is still searching to replicate basketball success)
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 15, 2022 22:38:51 GMT -5
Man, looking back, that Pelini firing is just terrible optics. Nebraska fired a dude who had seven straight seasons with 9 or 10 wins. I know Nebraska fans claim this firing was somewhat justified (apparently Pelini was kind of a jerk), but this is not the kind of thing prospective coaches want to see. It reminds me a bit of UCLA basketball firing Ben Howland, who went to three straight Final Fours. I know there were supposedly good reasons for that too, but there's a reason why they ended up with like their fifth choice in their next two coaching searches. But at least UCLA has the appeal of living in Southern California. With every recent hiring/firing, there's been worse and worse candidates applying from the pool it seems. That said, we are at rock bottom and I think we might have a better group of candidates applying this time. Or I'm delusional. (Also on brand for Nebraska who fired Danny Nee for not being able to get to the second round and is still searching to replicate basketball success) Well, there's probably nowhere to go but up at this point. Frost is objectively the worst coach in Nebraska history. Bill Jennings had a slightly worse record, but he was pre-Devaney, and Nebraska wasn't Nebraska until Davaney took over. Frost had far more advantages and squandered them all.
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Post by maplespear on Sept 26, 2022 12:30:26 GMT -5
After witnessing what Adrian Martinez did at K State and after watching the long, warm hug and convo with his coach, definitely made me want to delve into Scott Frost pre head coach and during his time as a player to find out what the hell is going on with him, there is something off. The most recent unexplained Frost action was him not attending a reunion of past players and coaches, including Tom Osbourne. The reunion was to make those past players feel connection and inclusion. Frost's decision to not attend this event was heartless and compassionless. Frost also commented that he was not supported enough by past players, when in fact they all gathered during his contract signing to support him, and they supported him during 4 losing seasons. I believe Frost lacks the ability to have a deep connection or compassion for any of his players or anyone, including himself.
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Post by savannahbadger on Oct 8, 2022 12:21:26 GMT -5
I know it’s only Rutgers, but they finally got over the hum of losing one score games. I would find it funny if they have some decent talent but fired Frost prematurely, before they peaked.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 8, 2022 12:33:36 GMT -5
I know it’s only Rutgers, but they finally got over the hum of losing one score games. I would find it funny if they have some decent talent but fired Frost prematurely, before they peaked. I think they actually waited too long to fire Frost. He should have been canned during the offseason, but they didn't want to pay the buyout.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 8, 2022 19:56:32 GMT -5
I know it’s only Rutgers, but they finally got over the hum of losing one score games. I would find it funny if they have some decent talent but fired Frost prematurely, before they peaked. I think they actually waited too long to fire Frost. He should have been canned during the offseason, but they didn't want to pay the buyout. But they paid the buyout anyway. All they had to do was wait another week and a half and they would have avoided half of it. If anything, it had the feel of deliberately giving him the buyout as part of a back-room deal of some kind.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 8, 2022 20:02:06 GMT -5
I think they actually waited too long to fire Frost. He should have been canned during the offseason, but they didn't want to pay the buyout. But they paid the buyout anyway. All they had to do was wait another week and a half and they would have avoided half of it. If anything, it had the feel of deliberately giving him the buyout as part of a back-room deal of some kind. I believe they renegotiated the buyout during the offseason so that it was less than it would have been if they fired him at the time. I think he took a pay cut as well if I remember correctly. Similar to Jim Harbaugh at Michigan, except Harbaugh made the CFP the next season, and Frost lost to Georgia Southern.
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Post by Mocha on Oct 18, 2022 23:37:10 GMT -5
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