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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 11:26:35 GMT -5
Five years, and a lot of losses
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 28, 2022 11:29:04 GMT -5
Wow, what a day yesterday. About 100 lettermen were waiting to surprise Scott Frost at the Press Conference, chokes me up just thinking about it. It couldn't be a more natural fit, textbook. Scott Frost is going to lead Nebraska to where we once were. He was born here, he played here, he knows the culture, his passion is palpable, and he has a clear vision. So exciting to watch unfold. Not intending to pick on you in any way, but five years sure has made a difference in perspective. Yeah. I think there are two factors going on here. One is that Frost was not nearly as good a coach as Nebraska fans (and to be fair, much of the country at the time) thought he was. The other is that the college football landscape has changed so much in the last 25 years that I don't think it's really possible to win a title at Nebraska anymore. I think they should hire Urban Meyer just so we can find out once and for all. If he can't build a champion there, no one can.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 11:39:21 GMT -5
Frost and his staff took a UCF program that went 6-7 in his first season (2016) and made them 13-0 in his second season (2017).
Every player who contributed to that 2017 run was either on the team in 2016 or was brought into the program in that offseason. So it was Frost and his staff who did that. Whatever they did there, worked. Very well.
And whatever that is, absolutely has not worked at Nebraska. Like bbg says, I'm not sure that anything will work in Lincoln, at least to the level that their fans demand.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 28, 2022 12:08:54 GMT -5
But by then he might beat Oklahoma, and they won't be able to fire him. I believe it was the great poet Wayne Campbell who put it thusly:
"...Chyeaaa! And monkeys might fly out of my butt!"
Not that far fetched, really. He almost beat them last year, and now they've lost their HC and like half their players.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Aug 28, 2022 12:36:37 GMT -5
Frost and his staff took a UCF program that went 6-7 in his first season (2016) and made them 13-0 in his second season (2017). Every player who contributed to that 2017 run was either on the team in 2016 or was brought into the program in that offseason. So it was Frost and his staff who did that. Whatever they did there, worked. Very well. And whatever that is, absolutely has not worked at Nebraska. Like bbg says, I'm not sure that anything will work in Lincoln, at least to the level that their fans demand. this is perfectly worded. Its going to take time and sadly Nebraska fans are crazy .
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Post by donaldjamesparker on Aug 28, 2022 12:43:26 GMT -5
I think Scott Frost has made one big mistake and no one that I've heard has questioned him on it. That is that he refused to incorporate the emotional aspect of winning into his preparation. He believes in businesslike execution out on the field. It's certainly true that sound fundamentals are crucial to success. However emotional fervor is not to be denied. And it must be pointed out that the Huskers have not been very efficient during his tenure as head football coach despite his emphasis on the mechanics. I like a bit of confidence, but calling time out on 2nd down when the clock is winding down in the first half expecting to get the ball back. Instead Northwestern takes advantage of the extra time to put it in the end zone. Perhaps Scott set the tone for failure in his first 2 games. Instead of draining the clock and brining home a close victory, the Huskers kept up their up tempo snapping pattern and left just enough time on the clock for the Buffs to pull off the story book finish. And then the next week (at a game I attended) against Troy on 4th and less than 1 trailing by 3 points, Frost punted. Troy ran the punt back for a touchdown and I was denied seeing Frost's first victory as Husker coach in person. Another telling moment for me was against Ohio State when they inserted a fullback and ran the ball down the Buckeyes throat for one series and then have never done it again. The pattern I see with Frost is that they continually go back to plays that don't work but seldom reuse ones that do. My mantra is "run a play until they stop it". The jet sweep to Palmer averaged about 10 yards a carry. The plays up the gut, with the exception of Grant's nice TD run, must have averaged under 2 yards and it seemed contact was always made right at the line of scrimmage. Where were the counters and options and quick pitches that spread a defense out a bit so you can run between the tackles? I know it's been said before that Frost seems to be playing checkers while guys like Fitzgerald are playing chess. I can't even begin to drum up a theory about how Frost went 13-0 with a team that had been winless 2 seasons before. Oh, by the way, I was on the Frost bandwagon before he had any head coaching experience when the Huskers brought in Mike Riley. I was convinced he was the man for the job. Now I'm afraid my confidence was misplaced.
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Post by staticb on Aug 28, 2022 13:01:44 GMT -5
I can't even begin to drum up a theory about how Frost went 13-0 with a team that had been winless 2 seasons before. They were 0-12 in 2015 because they (UCF) made the worst hire in CFB history. But if you zoom back before that, they were 9-4, 12-1, 10-4. The team had winning players who had been there before and knew how to win. Frost's 13-0 season was a lot of the players who were on the 12-1 season coming of age. He didn't have to teach a team who didn't know how to win, because there were already players he inherited who knew how.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 28, 2022 13:06:33 GMT -5
I can't even begin to drum up a theory about how Frost went 13-0 with a team that had been winless 2 seasons before. They were 0-12 in 2015 because they (UCF) made the worst hire in CFB history. But if you zoom back before that, they were 9-4, 12-1, 10-4. The team had winning players who had been there before and knew how to win. Frost's 13-0 season was a lot of the players who were on the 12-1 season coming of age. He didn't have to teach a team who didn't know how to win, because there were already players he inherited who knew how. What? The same coach that went 0-12 (George O'Leary) in 2015 was the one that coached them to those other seasons. My understanding based on what I've read from UCF fans is that O'Leary wanted to retire, but he was talked out of it by the administration and was checked out in 2015.
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Post by staticb on Aug 28, 2022 13:27:49 GMT -5
They were 0-12 in 2015 because they (UCF) made the worst hire in CFB history. But if you zoom back before that, they were 9-4, 12-1, 10-4. The team had winning players who had been there before and knew how to win. Frost's 13-0 season was a lot of the players who were on the 12-1 season coming of age. He didn't have to teach a team who didn't know how to win, because there were already players he inherited who knew how. What? The same coach that went 0-12 (George O'Leary) in 2015 was the one that coached them to those other seasons. My understanding based on what I've read from UCF fans is that O'Leary wanted to retire, but he was talked out of it by the administration and was checked out in 2015. You're right. I was thinking O'Leary left earlier and Barrett came on earlier than he did. Either way, UCF had some talent and a winning culture not that long ago. Frost did a great job there, but it wasn't the miracle turnaround everyone thought it was. The circumstances between then and now aren't the same.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 28, 2022 13:37:11 GMT -5
What? The same coach that went 0-12 (George O'Leary) in 2015 was the one that coached them to those other seasons. My understanding based on what I've read from UCF fans is that O'Leary wanted to retire, but he was talked out of it by the administration and was checked out in 2015. You're right. I was thinking O'Leary left earlier and Barrett came on earlier than he did. Either way, UCF had some talent and a winning culture not that long ago. Frost did a great job there, but it wasn't the miracle turnaround everyone thought it was. The circumstances between then and now aren't the same. I agree. That UCF team had talent and just needed a motivated coach, which Frost was. The challenges at Nebraska were different, and he has failed.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 28, 2022 13:39:35 GMT -5
I loved watching Frost play the option back in the day. I'm not sure he's the answer. Actually, I don't have the answer either. I'm calling it: Scott Frost coaches for 4 years and then, he'll be fired or asked to resign. This did age well. Yeah, Wolfgang was right on the money, except that Frost got an extra season because Nebraska couldn't afford his buyout after year four.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 14:04:37 GMT -5
I believe it was the great poet Wayne Campbell who put it thusly:
"...Chyeaaa! And monkeys might fly out of my butt!"
Not that far fetched, really. He almost beat them last year, and now they've lost their HC and like half their players. Hahaha. Not a snowball's chance in hell.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 14:05:10 GMT -5
Yeah, Wolfgang was right on the money, except that Frost got an extra season because Nebraska couldn't afford his buyout after year four. Also, covid 2020 year was a free pass for everyone.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 28, 2022 14:19:38 GMT -5
Yeah, Wolfgang was right on the money, except that Frost got an extra season because Nebraska couldn't afford his buyout after year four. Also, covid 2020 year was a free pass for everyone. Yeah, that's a good point too.
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Post by maplespear on Aug 28, 2022 18:09:24 GMT -5
Wow, what a day yesterday. About 100 lettermen were waiting to surprise Scott Frost at the Press Conference, chokes me up just thinking about it. It couldn't be a more natural fit, textbook. Scott Frost is going to lead Nebraska to where we once were. He was born here, he played here, he knows the culture, his passion is palpable, and he has a clear vision. So exciting to watch unfold. Not intending to pick on you in any way, but five years sure has made a difference in perspective. Yes it has, I was thinking about this today. Not sure what's going on. We have new coaches at practically every position, and we have a new QB. This is a first game of the season. I didn't think they played that bad. On to the next game. What I also thought about was Frost's coaching time at UCF. In 2016-17 season, they went 11-0. Who do we credit here, the players or the coach? maybe both? What did Frost do or say that made this team so successful? Did he change his core foundation for coaching a team when he got to Lincoln? Are the players different in Nebraska then they are Florida and couldn't grasp his concept? Not sure what I would tweak to get us over losing games by 3 or less points. Just want to add that I really like the Irish flag colours on the NW team's helmets. Nice that they recognized Ireland.
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