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Post by rainmaker on May 6, 2018 20:42:29 GMT -5
brunie, yes it should be a true double elimination tournie, but tv hates that. They like a 1 game/match (winner take all)final. But that UCLA team today was the same team I saw in MIA, and NOBODY is beating that squad. And they lose 1 senior? Really??
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Post by rainmaker on May 6, 2018 20:43:18 GMT -5
The UCLA team on Friday, thats a different story. But that team today, damn..
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Post by BeiBei on May 6, 2018 22:23:32 GMT -5
I am happy that ucla won but I am not a fan of double elimination. It is hard to beat a top team once let alone twice.
It is only three years but so far the TOP seed won every time
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Post by ndodge on May 6, 2018 22:57:50 GMT -5
Did the announcers ever saying anything much about Carly Kan? I mean they talked a lot about other short players being successful, and other players transitioning from indoor, but I don't recall them talking about either of those things re her. They should have.
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Post by birdbrain on May 6, 2018 23:32:37 GMT -5
The reward that a team receives that goes through the winners bracket undefeated is that they get to rest while the losing team has to play another tough match before they can make it back to the final. I don't think it's practical for scheduling purposes to have the possibility of another match to decide the champion.
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Post by sandball on May 7, 2018 2:05:24 GMT -5
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Post by BeiBei on May 7, 2018 7:32:05 GMT -5
And they lose 1 senior? Really?? graduate one senior and brings in 4 highly touted beach players plus one highly regarded player from indoor team. will not be surprise if some starting players lose their spots next year UCLA can dominate this sport 1) as long as the indoor and beach coaches get along. Sealy allows his players to cross over and all 4 are in the starting lineups and played big roles. Stein better don't burn bridges with Sealy. the indoor team will again have 4 players (Muno, Simo, May and Harrer) on the beach team next year 2) Beach volleyball allows 6 scholarships and since UCLA is a public school and California is a hot bed for recruiting. It would be easier for players to walk on or receive partial schalarships. This is a big advantage for UCLA
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Post by sandball on May 7, 2018 10:44:36 GMT -5
Hawaii Results 2018
Hawaii falls to UCLA in NCAA semifinal match
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Post by BeachbytheBay on May 7, 2018 11:07:10 GMT -5
The reward that a team receives that goes through the winners bracket undefeated is that they get to rest while the losing team has to play another tough match before they can make it back to the final. I don't think it's practical for scheduling purposes to have the possibility of another match to decide the champion. tell that to the Big West, so they can dump their ridiculous insane 2nd day format
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Post by trollhunter on May 7, 2018 11:22:08 GMT -5
I am happy that ucla won but I am not a fan of double elimination. It is hard to beat a top team once let alone twice. It is only three years but so far the TOP seed won every time I am guessing and hoping that when NCAA expands the field to 12 teams that they go to single elimination tournament format.
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Post by mediumroast on May 7, 2018 13:20:04 GMT -5
I am happy that ucla won but I am not a fan of double elimination. It is hard to beat a top team once let alone twice. It is only three years but so far the TOP seed won every time Technically Florida State was the top seed in 2016, but who are we kidding. We all knew USC was the real #1 that year.
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Post by newbeach on May 7, 2018 13:56:10 GMT -5
Wow, some tough, and mean, Hawaii fans here. Totally trashing their coach because he didn't sandbag the final (even though, as someone pointed out here, illegal anyway). Hawaii had great season, made it to Gulf Shores, had GREAT win against Pepperdine. Damn exciting match against UCLA, narrowly lost. A couple more points and they'd be playing FSU for the championship. I'd say a pretty good season for the Bows. I hope they come back strong next year. Thanks cruz 'n! Some of the fans are ridiculous on here. I totally agree with your comments. I don't agree with trashing the coach. He had to have done a decent job coaching these girls all season to get where they did (two years in a row). The seniors have all thanked him for getting to this point in their careers. Let's first give credit to UCLA and FSU. Secondly, all three of these teams played each other very tough and came down to only a few points. Hardly worth trashing the players and coaches for. I prefer to see how FSU fans responded to their team's performance. Sure, having good coaching can help a team make those critical adjustments during a tight match and Hall may not be the best, but he and the team did their best. Our number one flight won the position because they routinely beat the second and third flights every week in practice. They also earned the position by going 25 straight wins at the number one position starting with wins over USC Graudina and Bustamante who are a great pair. They also beat Sponcil and Justine (another fantastic pair) twice this season and fairly handily. Kan and Weaver, while fantastic players, who play with a lot of heart, had their opportunity at number one to start the season and did not have a good record. They did much better at the three's (which is where they should be). The coach said they were "gamers" from the start and everyone was calling for that pair to be moved down to the three slot at that time because of their losing record. The fact is, Kan and Weaver had a great tournament playing at the three position. Unless a team is sandbagging, most teams number one and two flights are better. This team played against the best number three pairs in the nation and did a phenomenal job to earn all-tournament (at the three position). I do not believe they would have done as well at the number 1 position. Martin and Monkhouse did not win a game at the two position during the tournament (playing against the best number two flights), and moving them up to number one would likely not have helped. Granted some match ups are better than others (The reason for Maglio and Schucht who first went to the number one flight, is because Hall thought they would be a better match-up against Coppola and Nuss. They were and they won against them in straight sets their only meeting. I think he may have moved them down again had they not kept winning to a tune of 25 straight and was the "top-flight" in the nation for several weeks since moving to the number 1 flight. What was unfortunate was that Maglio suffered an injury at the Big West tournament. She was under a lot of pressure to perform otherwise Huddleston was the first alternate in according to the team. She may not have been quite as on her game as usual, but she still did awesome. She can be very dominating when she is healthy. Ask the girls that play against her everyday in practice, she looks unassuming but she'll crush you ever time. Schucht hasn't quite been on her game for a couple of weeks (again, ask the team...) and she missed some practices right before the tourney. That could have hurt them a little as they lost a bit of rhythm. Perhaps the match up (and outcome could have been different) if the one's and two switched, but it was risky given Martin and Monkhouse's record at the two's during the tournament. I think in some ways (if it was legal), given Maglio and Schucht's record against Sponcil and Justine, it may have paid off, but again, he could only do if legal. Other team's would have protested as well. Give the team a break! Kan and Weaver likely wouldn't have looked as good as they did playing at the number 1 flight. It can be deceiving to watch them do well against other 3 pairs. As someone on here said, most five pairs would lose to the team's one pair quite easily. The fact is, the teams are ordered to their ability for a reason and as a rule, on most days, the one's are the better team. Why is it so hard for Hawai'i fans just to congratulate the girls on the hard work and effort without cutting down the coaches and implying the pairs didn't play well. Maybe the other teams just played a little better on this occasion. It doesn't mean the team should sandbag or change up their whole system in the final match or two. There would be outcry anyway if the outcome didn't work either way.
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Post by Wolfgang on May 7, 2018 14:01:08 GMT -5
It was just one Hawaii "fan" (maybe two) who trashed the coach. It's always like that. There's that one f***er who brings up the most unreasonable arguments to trash someone.
I may not know what goes on behind the scenes -- and what fan truly does -- but I like Jeff Hall, as well as Charlie Wade and Robyn Ah Mow-Santos.
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Post by socal3 on May 7, 2018 14:22:14 GMT -5
I’m just getting to know the Hawaii fan base and it’s definitely “interesting” and “unique”.
I find it entertaining that on the men’s forum here at VT, the “Hawaii 2018” thread continues to pop up daily in between the more relevant threads pertaining to the recent NCAA men’s semis and finals threads, etc which Hawaii wasn’t a part of. Hawaii men’s program was indeed overlooked for an at-large bid by the selection committee, some even use the word snubbed, but Hawaii fans seem to take longer than most to move on.
The committee overlooking the men for an at-large doesn’t seem to be nearly as awful as the committee’s evaluation of the at-large beach contenders and snubbing CalPoly and LB, yet you wouldn’t know by the endless complaining by the Hawaii fan base.
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Post by dunninla on May 7, 2018 14:53:09 GMT -5
May's lack of experience and not training year round is hurting ucla:/ Yeah, she can either be good or really bad. She'll be good by the end of her career though. It seems to be an investment in the future given her upside potential. In indoor she showed a killer spirit even as a freshman, so in my opinion it is a good bet to sacrifice a little this year for the upside. It helps her indoor ball control quite a bit too.
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