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Post by aloha on Nov 28, 2004 18:38:49 GMT -5
I guess Hawaii fans can hope Tara Hittle is hott this week in Colorado because it is her homestate.
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Post by Boom on Nov 28, 2004 19:25:03 GMT -5
This is truly an odd sub-regional. I'm sure CSU is happy not to travel, but to have Hawaii in the path to the regional is kind of surprising. The other MWC team, Utah, who is ranked lower in all three rankings, has Long Beach, LMU and UCLA in the sub-regional... I know they don't see beyond 16, buy get real...
And for Hawaii, travel not surprising based on the NCAA "guidelines", but why to CSU? Why not Cal, or Yale or even FAMU?
Clearly the MWC RPI hurt CSU - 6 teams below 90, and 3 below 150. Ouch.
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Post by beachman on Nov 28, 2004 19:27:00 GMT -5
I think that Hawaii really got screwed! I am sure that it was a money thing, not wanting to have to fly 3 teams to Honolulu, but when your team goes undefeated and is ranked that highly all year, THEY EARNED THE RIGHT TO HOST! I would imagine that Dave Shoji has unprintable thoughts about now!
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 28, 2004 19:40:12 GMT -5
I think that Hawaii really got screwed! I am sure that it was a money thing, not wanting to have to fly 3 teams to Honolulu, but when your team goes undefeated and is ranked that highly all year, THEY EARNED THE RIGHT TO HOST! I would imagine that Dave Shoji has unprintable thoughts about now! The committee basically slapped these young ladies in the face. It's a real shame!
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Post by uptoit on Nov 28, 2004 20:05:02 GMT -5
Doesn't the NCAA get a cut of the proceeds? If Hawaii hosted a subregional, I think it would be a near sellout and profitable for the NCAA. Here is a crazy idea that would reward the areas with the most volleyball fans--Put the regionals in the gyms where the attendance is the highest. First pick the top 64 teams and then look at total average attenance for the season. The top 16 schools with the highest attendance earn the regional. Then seed the teams to make the most even spread of the top seeds. You may find the top teams have the greatest attendance (excluding UCLA)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2004 20:15:16 GMT -5
UW is not a real #7. Their #7 gets them rounds 1 and 2 at home, in addition to the regional. I think this is a seeding the Committee "fudged" to make the pairings work.
Bad break for PSU. UW-PSU will be a great match, if they meet. I do think it's a shame since they are both top 4 seeds (imho).
Hawaii, I think, got a very nice draw. Yes, it stinks they don't get to play rounds 1 and 2 at home, but I like their chances for the Final 4.
By the way, Colorado State is not a top ten team. I think the Wahine can take them. That leaves the winner of Texas-Stanford standing between them and the Championships. You have to like that, right?
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Post by vbfan on Nov 28, 2004 20:24:05 GMT -5
Hard to understand what the committee did with this subregional. I do think that Hawaii has definitely played the tougher schedule than CSU and if both teams play their best then Hawaii should win. To me they just seem to be the better team. Like Hawaii they have dropped games with some mediocre opponents, like Air Force and UNLV, on the other hand unlike Hawaii the only nationally ranked team they have beaten is Utah (no wins over out of conference top 25 teams).
Don't forget the Purdue match is no gimmie for CSU, I would not be shocked to see Purdue upset CSU, I would be shocked if UH lost to Colorado, as they just don't seem to be playing very well right now and just barely made it into the tournament.
In the regionals (if they are fortunate enough to make it that far) I would say Hawaii is lucky to face Wisconsin, definitely a match it should win. Like Ruffda said, you have to like their chances against Stanford or Texas.
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Post by vballmaniac40 on Nov 28, 2004 21:29:03 GMT -5
I'm just thrilled Hawaii has to play on the road for a change. Maybe the committee decided they would put Hawaii on the road to make up for their schedule this year (17 home matches, 11 road matches with three of those coming in the WAC Tournament) Also, I agree with Ruffda, Hawaii will have no problem with CSU. Stanford/Texas vs. Hawaii could be a very close match though.
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Post by JT on Nov 28, 2004 22:59:13 GMT -5
Here is a crazy idea that would reward the areas with the most volleyball fans--Put the regionals in the gyms where the attendance is the highest. First pick the top 64 teams and then look at total average attenance for the season. The top 16 schools with the highest attendance earn the regional. Then seed the teams to make the most even spread of the top seeds. You may find the top teams have the greatest attendance (excluding UCLA) Well, let's see what the attendance figures are: This is from the WI website -- www.uwbadgers.com/sport_news/vb/stat_poll/2004_09_07_10_20_50_vb.pdf using Rich Kern's site for the RKPI. Errors are probably mine. School | Avg Attendance | Seeding | RKPI Rank | Hawaii | 1 - 7,135 | 3 | 1 | Nebraska | 2 - 4,369 | 1 | 2 | Wisconsin | 3 - 4,218 | 14 | 15 | Minnesota | 4 - 3,831 | 4 | 3 | Washington | 5 - 2,794 | 7 | 10 | PennState | 6 - 2,572 | 2 | 4 | Florida | 7 - 2,272 | non | 5 | Texas | 8 - 1,888 | 6 | 14 | Illinois | 9 - 1,824 | non | 22 | Texas_A&M | 10 - 1,813 | non | 16 | ColoradoState | 11 - 1,793 | non | 21 | Pacific | 12 - 1,758 | non | 44 | MichiganState | 13 - 1,707 | not in | 58 | Purdue | 14 - 1,580 | non | 46 | LongBeachState | 15 - 1,571 | non | 25 | NorthernIowa | 16 - 1,548 | not in | 59 | --- | --- | --- | --- | Ohio State | 24 - 1,225 | 5 | 6 | USC | unrated | 8 | 8 | San Diego | unrated | 9 | 9 | StMary's (Cal) | unrated | 10 | 11 | Stanford | 25 - 1,204 | 11 | 12 | Tennessee | unrated | 12 | 7 | UCSB | unrated | 13 | 13 | UCLA | 31 - 1,004 | 15 | 29 | Missouri | 21 - 1,386 | 16 | 17 |
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Nov 29, 2004 0:05:17 GMT -5
I'll gripe about Hawaii's path to the Final Four, but I think Washington (and by default PSU) got majorly screwed. Assuming the seeding committee didn't even look at the AVCA poll or where UW was in it for most of the season, it's unbelievably odd that the Pac-10 Champ gets seeded #7, behind the 2nd place Big12 team (Texas at #6 seed) and the 3rd best team in the Big10 (Ohio St at #5). That's just not right ... To me the biggest sin committed by this committee is putting PSU and Washington in the same region. Mighty unfair. For Hawaii and CSU - it's also just completely unfair to these teams, who've busted their asses all season, to have two teams rated inside the AVCA poll (regardless of RPI or RPKI) to possibly face off in just the 2nd round of a 64-team tournament. The seeding committee could have found more breathing room between the two than a meeting in the 2nd round.
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Post by FloridaPerson on Nov 29, 2004 0:13:19 GMT -5
For Hawaii and CSU - it's also just completely unfair to these teams, who've busted their asses all season, to have two teams rated inside the AVCA poll (regardless of RPI or RPKI) to possibly face off in just the 2nd round of a 64-team tournament. how's about 1st and second rounds in the same subregional? #7 Stanford, #12 Florida, #22 Florida A & M
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 29, 2004 0:15:20 GMT -5
how's about 1st and second rounds in the same subregional? #7 Stanford, #12 Florida, #22 Florida A & M More crap from the committee. Totally unjusitfiable as well.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Nov 29, 2004 0:18:40 GMT -5
how's about 1st and second rounds in the same subregional? #7 Stanford, #12 Florida, #22 Florida A & M Yes another tough tough sub-regional. Maybe the committee thought they could fool us into thinking it won't be such a tough regional by not giving Florida a seed (which they deserved over a few of the teams that did).
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Post by islandgirl on Nov 29, 2004 1:50:08 GMT -5
how's about 1st and second rounds in the same subregional? #7 Stanford, #12 Florida, #22 Florida A & M That is totally ridiculous.
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Post by islandgirl on Nov 29, 2004 1:55:39 GMT -5
I have to say that I'm not shocked by all of this. Based on history, I didn't expect Hawaii to get a top four seed and I expected they would get sent off for the first rounds. I guess I didn't expect a psuedo-top seeding, getting sent away AND getting a ridiculous first round against a top ten team on their home court. What I find most unsettling is how the committee went out of it's way to give certain teams a red carpet to the Final Four. That kind of political manuevering mirrors real life, though. Oh well, it's just the way it goes. I hope this gives all the teams who got screwed more incentive.
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