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Post by coldsnap on Dec 7, 2021 18:42:40 GMT -5
One of the best coaches out there, Hugh McCutcheon, doesn’t care about Liberos? Seems to me that CC has improved a ton in the last couple years. If people pay attention. Hand setting, which was almost non existent 2 years ago, has improved a bunch, small improvements in overall technique, and serve as well. If he didn’t care about the libero position he wouldn’t have offered a full scholarship to the top libero in the country. If he didn’t care, I don’t think she would have committed. As for 98% of Liberos not getting scholarship, not sure what that means. Most Liberos who are legit, will get a 2 and 2 offer and the very best will have 4 year offers. Hugh must think it is an important enough position to go get the top prospect at the position. Lastly, not many teams improve as much as Minnesota’s throughout a season. They have done that again this year.
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Dec 7, 2021 18:47:06 GMT -5
This DS turnover talk is nonsense. To leave Minnesota you first have to come here. Two of three people mentioned were never on the team. We only lost one good DS and that was Barnes. Minnesota has certainly done a good job developing DS's. Remember Katie Shau and now Rachel Kilkelly. In between those two we had Goehner. Minnesota has also had many DS-types that stayed with Minnesota despite limited playing time and little or no scholarship. The fact that someone is trolling, or should I say negative recruiting Minnesota, makes me wonder if there is a DS/Libero in the portal considering Minnesota. The two decommits may have had only a one year schollarship and they realized they could get more somewhere else; something simple like that. I wish them both the best; I here they are both talented players.
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Post by Draco_MN on Dec 7, 2021 18:52:38 GMT -5
This DS turnover talk is nonsense. To leave Minnesota you first have to come here. Two of three people mentioned were never on the team. We only lost one good DS and that was Barnes. Minnesota has certainly done a good job developing DS's. Remember Katie Shau and now Rachel Kilkelly. In between those two we had Goehner. Minnesota has also had many DS-types that stayed with Minnesota despite limited playing time and little or no scholarship. The fact that someone is trolling, or should I say negative recruiting Minnesota, makes me wonder if there is a DS/Libero in the portal considering Minnesota. The two decommits may have had only a one year schollarship and they realized they could get more somewhere else; something simple like that. I wish them both the best; I here they are both talented players. exactly all this
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Post by JT on Dec 7, 2021 19:30:01 GMT -5
The point is what do you need from a DS? To be good enough to be impactful. What does Hugh offer his DS? I suspect, very little (of his attention, of exposure, and in addition no scholarship). Regarding attention and exposure, I believe you are completely wrong. I’ve been at multiple “Coaches Circle” camps and have had the opportunity to watch the team practice, and watch the coaches coach. Not sure how many schools have more than one scholarship for a DS/L player… so you’re probably correct on that, but it’s unlikely that a DS would be able to transfer to an elite program and get a scholarship (unless they’re good enough to be the libero… see Lauren Barnes).
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Post by mcmike on Dec 7, 2021 21:00:18 GMT -5
The discussion re. back row biqs and pipes got conflated. I will try to clarify the numerous comments: yesterday at 4:24pm spikerthemovie said: Does no one in the we-need-different-middles chorus understand that the Gophers use the back-row attack instead of middles because Samedy is such a force there (and, sometimes, Wenaas)? The Gophers capitalize on a huge strength that not a lot of teams have and I suspect if you were to add the number of middle attacks to how often the Gophers set the back row, you'd get a number way higher than pretty much anyone else. "Set the middles more" means "set the should-be national player of the year less" and it does not make sense. mcmike then said: I can't/won't speak to adding the % of pipes & biqs to MB attacks. Has that threat kept opponent MBs from camping down on the left pin? NO! the offside blocker, unconcerned about a weak back slide attack comes to the middle and Miyabe & Wenaas face a wall. then Gophers4life said: So this holds the opposing middle blockers honest, instead of allowing them to cheat to the pins, the same way? Nope. 9 hours ago lordbirthday injected a little confusion and said: D balls are very hard to block. Especially when Samedy is the one hitting them. [Spikerthemovie was referring to back row attacks from the middle not referring to D sets from the right]Gophersforlife then said : I'm not commenting on the offensive effectiveness of the back-row attacks. I don't think Samedy is as effective back row as front row, but both her and Wenaas have definitely hit for kills out of the back. I was commenting on the ability to hold the opposing middle blockers, as I said. Then madden55 chimed in: oh lord he’s back to his why they shouldn’t set Samedy out of the back row. [NOT ADDING A CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENT]justafanmn: the funny part of this is that Samedy is probably MORE effective out of back than out of front. She and Shaff have a much more consistent connection on that and she keeps the ball in front of her better (and leaps to it more) Volleytalk Karen added: Samedy is effective from anywhere but probably the left pin (which she made strides at this season!) Her back row attack is very effective because she has more room to work with. Couple that with her jump, range and the way Shaffmaster just lays it up there for her and it’s pretty devastating. I mean, I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen her blocked on that play multiple times in a match? Let alone dug unless she has to resort to keeping it in play. [VT Karen is on target imo]...................................................................................................................... McMike reiterates: Spikerthemovie was not referring to D sets from the right side. His contention is that the pipe sets and middle BiQs are what holds the opponent's MB. When Shaff sets a D ball it has nothing to do with the opponents putting up a wall on our left pins. The success of both D sets from the back and back sets when Samedy is front right has more to do with set height & location. If the Shaff-Samedy connection is "on" the kill potential is pretty awesome. If the opponents' MBs do not respect a threat in the middle we will not have enough hitting angles at the left pin to be successful unless Shaff quickens the tempo and gives wider sets so that we can hit line and tool blocks and narrow gap sets. There's no question that both Wenaas and Samedy can score from the 3' meter line in the middle. But savvy opponents, as I stated above, slide right and the offside OH covers middle while the MB goes to cover our left pins. I believe we will be happy if the Gopher recipe from last weekend continues and becomes even better refined. An early gap set to Myers in set 1 vs SD established credibility. Both Myers & Husemann seem to be competing more confidently lately.
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Post by mnsports255 on Dec 7, 2021 21:33:22 GMT -5
The discussion re. back row biqs and pipes got conflated. I will try to clarify the numerous comments: yesterday at 4:24pm spikerthemovie said: Does no one in the we-need-different-middles chorus understand that the Gophers use the back-row attack instead of middles because Samedy is such a force there (and, sometimes, Wenaas)? The Gophers capitalize on a huge strength that not a lot of teams have and I suspect if you were to add the number of middle attacks to how often the Gophers set the back row, you'd get a number way higher than pretty much anyone else. "Set the middles more" means "set the should-be national player of the year less" and it does not make sense. mcmike then said: I can't/won't speak to adding the % of pipes & biqs to MB attacks. Has that threat kept opponent MBs from camping down on the left pin? NO! the offside blocker, unconcerned about a weak back slide attack comes to the middle and Miyabe & Wenaas face a wall. then Gophers4life said: So this holds the opposing middle blockers honest, instead of allowing them to cheat to the pins, the same way? Nope. 9 hours ago lordbirthday injected a little confusion and said: D balls are very hard to block. Especially when Samedy is the one hitting them. [Spikerthemovie was referring to back row attacks from the middle not referring to D sets from the right]Gophersforlife then said : I'm not commenting on the offensive effectiveness of the back-row attacks. I don't think Samedy is as effective back row as front row, but both her and Wenaas have definitely hit for kills out of the back. I was commenting on the ability to hold the opposing middle blockers, as I said. Then madden55 chimed in: oh lord he’s back to his why they shouldn’t set Samedy out of the back row. [NOT ADDING A CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENT]justafanmn: the funny part of this is that Samedy is probably MORE effective out of back than out of front. She and Shaff have a much more consistent connection on that and she keeps the ball in front of her better (and leaps to it more) Volleytalk Karen added: Samedy is effective from anywhere but probably the left pin (which she made strides at this season!) Her back row attack is very effective because she has more room to work with. Couple that with her jump, range and the way Shaffmaster just lays it up there for her and it’s pretty devastating. I mean, I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen her blocked on that play multiple times in a match? Let alone dug unless she has to resort to keeping it in play. [VT Karen is on target imo]...................................................................................................................... McMike reiterates: Spikerthemovie was not referring to D sets from the right side. His contention is that the pipe sets and middle BiQs are what holds the opponent's MB. When Shaff sets a D ball it has nothing to do with the opponents putting up a wall on our left pins. The success of both D sets from the back and back sets when Samedy is front right has more to do with set height & location. If the Shaff-Samedy connection is "on" the kill potential is pretty awesome. If the opponents' MBs do not respect a threat in the middle we will not have enough hitting angles at the left pin to be successful unless Shaff quickens the tempo and gives wider sets so that we can hit line and tool blocks and narrow gap sets. There's no question that both Wenaas and Samedy can score from the 3' meter line in the middle. But savvy opponents, as I stated above, slide right and the offside OH covers middle while the MB goes to cover our left pins. I believe we will be happy if the Gopher recipe from last weekend continues and becomes even better refined. An early gap set to Myers in set 1 vs SD established credibility. Both Myers & Husemann seem to be competing more confidently lately. Some of your posts are downright impossible to read.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 11:16:07 GMT -5
[NOT ADDING A CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENT] Correct. The poster is just a very bitter person, at the moment, because their top SEC program has been put back in its correct place by a middling Big Ten program. Which goes to show that the results from this spring should be taken with a rather large grain of salt. If the opponents' MBs do not respect a threat in the middle we will not have enough hitting angles at the left pin to be successful unless Shaff quickens the tempo and gives wider sets so that we can hit line and tool blocks and narrow gap sets. There's no question that both Wenaas and Samedy can score from the 3' meter line in the middle. But savvy opponents, as I stated above, slide right and the offside OH covers middle while the MB goes to cover our left pins. Correct. Good comments
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Dec 8, 2021 11:58:06 GMT -5
Which goes to show that the results from this spring should be taken with a rather large grain of salt. WAIT!!! Did anybody really think a season where smart conferences started in the fall and continued in the spring and played almost twice as many games as teams in not as smart conferences; was a VALID season and an indication of anything where this fall season was concerned? If they did, they were incorrect.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 12:16:36 GMT -5
Injecting confusion into convos since 1996 🤙🏼
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Post by volleyparent on Dec 8, 2021 12:17:57 GMT -5
The point is what do you need from a DS? To be good enough to be impactful. What does Hugh offer his DS? I suspect, very little (of his attention, of exposure, and in addition no scholarship). These girls are ambitious athletes and smart young women. Hugh can work his magic with words, but quickly (lately, very quickly) they realize exactly what is going on, that is Minnesota volleyball has a culture that does not recognize the DS position, and is a conscious choice. And it is probably fine - otherwise McCutcheon wouldn't be one of the best coaches out there. But let's not pretend we are surprised of the DS turnover at Minnesota! Now, let's hope for a fine match on Thursday! Go Gophers! please don’t present your conjecture as fact It does appear to me (a BIG conference fan) that Minnesota doesn't give a lot of attention to the DS role. If you look at Nebraska and Purdue especially, the coaches are very vocal about how they value the DS role and specific players. If I were a DS/Libero and had to choose between those schools, I know that I would assume that Minnesota isn't going to make me a priority (ex. Lauren Barnes transferring out). This is where recruits can sometimes project ahead the strengths and weaknesses of the hitters and think about if they will potentially need backrow help.
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Post by Draco_MN on Dec 8, 2021 12:24:35 GMT -5
please don’t present your conjecture as fact It does appear to me (a BIG conference fan) that Minnesota doesn't give a lot of attention to the DS role. If you look at Nebraska and Purdue especially, the coaches are very vocal about how they value the DS role and specific players. If I were a DS/Libero and had to choose between those schools, I know that I would assume that Minnesota isn't going to make me a priority (ex. Lauren Barnes transferring out). This is where recruits can sometimes project ahead the strengths and weaknesses of the hitters and think about if they will potentially need backrow help. again, conjecture. I am good friends with a former Gopher DS (and a few other players who knew Barnes well) and this is just not the case.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Dec 8, 2021 12:28:20 GMT -5
please don’t present your conjecture as fact It does appear to me (a BIG conference fan) that Minnesota doesn't give a lot of attention to the DS role. If you look at Nebraska and Purdue especially, the coaches are very vocal about how they value the DS role and specific players. If I were a DS/Libero and had to choose between those schools, I know that I would assume that Minnesota isn't going to make me a priority (ex. Lauren Barnes transferring out). This is where recruits can sometimes project ahead the strengths and weaknesses of the hitters and think about if they will potentially need backrow help. Is it possible that players get so consumed with wearing the off color jersey that they see anything other than that as second best?
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Post by mplssetter on Dec 8, 2021 12:28:38 GMT -5
please don’t present your conjecture as fact It does appear to me (a BIG conference fan) that Minnesota doesn't give a lot of attention to the DS role. If you look at Nebraska and Purdue especially, the coaches are very vocal about how they value the DS role and specific players. If I were a DS/Libero and had to choose between those schools, I know that I would assume that Minnesota isn't going to make me a priority (ex. Lauren Barnes transferring out). This is where recruits can sometimes project ahead the strengths and weaknesses of the hitters and think about if they will potentially need backrow help. What do you mean by "Minnesota isn't going to make me a priority"? You used Barnes as an example of that, which doesn't make sense. Please explain.
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Post by Draco_MN on Dec 8, 2021 12:34:30 GMT -5
It does appear to me (a BIG conference fan) that Minnesota doesn't give a lot of attention to the DS role. If you look at Nebraska and Purdue especially, the coaches are very vocal about how they value the DS role and specific players. If I were a DS/Libero and had to choose between those schools, I know that I would assume that Minnesota isn't going to make me a priority (ex. Lauren Barnes transferring out). This is where recruits can sometimes project ahead the strengths and weaknesses of the hitters and think about if they will potentially need backrow help. What do you mean by "Minnesota isn't going to make me a priority"? You used Barnes as an example of that, which doesn't make sense. Please explain. Exactly—Barnes is not a good example of this. Barnes left because she thought CC was Hugh’s favorite and that she had no chance at overtaking her for libero if Hugh was the coach. Her goal was to play for a national championship team as the starting libero, and she didn’t think that was possible at Minnesota, hence the departure. It is incorrect, however, to say that she was not paid enough attention or valued at Minnesota. She played almost every set as soon as she got to MN as a freshman over other DSs who had been there for longer and Hugh often talked about how much of a gamer she was. If DS had been her goal, I don’t think she would have left.
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Post by pittsburgh7717 on Dec 8, 2021 13:01:17 GMT -5
[NOT ADDING A CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENT] Correct. The poster is just a very bitter person, at the moment, because their top SEC program has been put back in its correct place by a middling Big Ten program. Which goes to show that the results from this spring should be taken with a rather large grain of salt. If the opponents' MBs do not respect a threat in the middle we will not have enough hitting angles at the left pin to be successful unless Shaff quickens the tempo and gives wider sets so that we can hit line and tool blocks and narrow gap sets. There's no question that both Wenaas and Samedy can score from the 3' meter line in the middle. But savvy opponents, as I stated above, slide right and the offside OH covers middle while the MB goes to cover our left pins. Correct. Good comments Reallly hope you're not shading Kentucky here because wheeeeew chile...
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