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Post by GatorVball on Nov 30, 2004 8:23:35 GMT -5
I love Wisconsin, and am upset that Mary does not have any class what so ever. If she has a problem with Wisconsin being seeded, play them sometime. I would be than willing to invite Florida to Madison. She has been given trips to the Final Four for the last few years, now she has to play some quality teams to get there. As far as Purdue goes, if Purdue was in Florida's path, I gaurentee she does not make those comments. Purdue was 5-1 against teams ranked between 10 and 25 in the RPI, that is how they got in. The had three bad losses, but they played great competition every night. I saw Purdue play in the Badger tournament when they beat Missouri and Georgia Tech and when they played Wisconsin twice. Purdue is a top 30 team easily when they are healthy. Also how can Mary call out teams in her own conference for getting in. She should be happy when anyone in the SEC gets in. Mary has to remember that SEC champ Tennessee lost to Michigan, the last team out of the Big Ten to get in the tournament who only had one quality win, and that was Tennessee. Mary has some real psychological problems and needs to grow up. First off, Mary never said Wisconsin shouldn't be seeded. I did. I'm not saying they shouldn't, but ahead of Florida? Hell no! As for Purdue, sorry, but any team that loses to Kentucky, Wake Forest and Northwestern, twice, does not deserve to be in the tournament. No way, no how. Tennessee also beat Purdue in 3 pretty easy games. I bet Michigan wouldn't have beat UT in Knoxville. Mary doesn't have psychological problems and is very mature. She's voicing her opinion which she has every right to do. The committee screwed up and everyone knows it.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 30, 2004 8:26:38 GMT -5
First off, Mary never said Wisconsin shouldn't be seeded. I did. I'm not saying they shouldn't, but ahead of Florida? Hell no! As for Purdue, sorry, but any team that loses to Kentucky, Wake Forest and Northwestern, twice, does not deserve to be in the tournament. No way, no how. So who should be in instead? It's easy to sit back and say "they shouldn't be in," but you have to have 64 teams, and you haven't suggested a viable alternative.
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Post by badger12 on Nov 30, 2004 8:27:24 GMT -5
Gator VB get your facts straight;
Purdue at Tennessee: Game 1 Purdue 30-28 Game 2 Tennessee 30-25 Game 3 Tennessee 30-24 Game 4 Tennessee 30-24
That is hardly a blowout like Tennessee blew away Florida in game five on the conference tournament. If you lose twice at home against Tennessee, you do not deserve to be a top 16 seed.
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Post by GatorVball on Nov 30, 2004 8:36:19 GMT -5
Gator VB get your facts straight; Purdue at Tennessee: Game 1 Purdue 30-28 Game 2 Tennessee 30-25 Game 3 Tennessee 30-24 Game 4 Tennessee 30-24 That is hardly a blowout like Tennessee blew away Florida in game five on the conference tournament. If you lose twice at home against Tennessee, you do not deserve to be a top 16 seed. Now you are just being stupid. Florida had no bad losses. Their 4 losses came to top 12 seeds in the tournament, no sweeps(unlike your Badgers who were swept quite a few times). I mean, it's not like Florida lost to Kansas. Florida deserved to be a top 16 and every knowledgeable vball fan agrees with that. You must be on the committee if you think otherwise. So, getting blown out in game 5, is worse than losing in 4? Who knew? BTW, at Tennessee, Florida won in 4. Regardless, Purdue still has terrible losses and shouldn't be in. Losing conference record to boot. Colorado and Arkansas shouldn't be in either. Alabama and Duke deserve to be in ahead of any of these teams. I know, Bama lost head to head to Arkansas, but their overall resume is better(and the committee has shown head to head meetings mean very little, esp. in conference). Same with Duke. Both teams have higher RPI's than Purdue. The fact is, Purdue and Colorado had to get in, b/c the committee dubbed those 2 conferences the best and they had to have the most teams. Neither deserved to be in with a losing conference record and overall records just above .500. I can't explain Arkansas, no good wins.
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Post by caljr on Nov 30, 2004 8:45:37 GMT -5
The NCAA has gift-wrapped so many Final Four appearances for Mary Wise that now she expects it every year. I had never heard of Twoson before they took Florida to five games last week. Sometimes people get so caught up in their environment that they forget they are just like everyone else. Wise shot her mouth off and it will most likely come back to bite her in the butt. I do not think Florida is deserving of a top 16 seed. I really don't. I think there are some decisions that are worthy of discussion, but Florida not hosting is not one of those decisions. It is obvious that Mary is so nervous about losing a first round match to a team from her own state that she is alienating herself from the coaches in her own league.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 30, 2004 8:54:29 GMT -5
Duke lost to Virginia, Clemson, North Carolina, and Maryland twice. Their best win is...Miami?
You accuse Arkansas of no good wins, but Duke has nothing, and a bunch of mediocre losses. Alabama? They lost to Arkansas twice, LSU, and Houston, with their good wins are...College of Charlston? Indiana?
Purdue has bad losses, that is for sure, but at least they have good wins to go with those bad losses. Other teams have bad losses, but without the good wins. Arkansas has those losses to LSU (who Alabama lost to, too), and (even worse) South Carolina, but they also have wins over SMS (not great, but better than anything Alabama or Duke have) and Pacific. The dumbest thing about it is that the teams you bring up DO have multiple bad losses on their records, but don't have any good wins.
Now, you may disagree with the approach of balancing the question of good wins versus bad losses, and chose to fixate only on bad losses, but that is not what the committee does, nor what it is supposed to do.
And if you want to go that direction, one of the worst losses of any non-conference champ in the tournament is USC falling to 5 - 26 Washington State. No team that loses to Washington State this year has any business making the tournament, right?
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Post by GatorVball on Nov 30, 2004 8:56:30 GMT -5
The NCAA has gift-wrapped so many Final Four appearances for Mary Wise that now she expects it every year. I had never heard of Twoson before they took Florida to five games last week. Sometimes people get so caught up in their environment that they forget they are just like everyone else. Wise shot her mouth off and it will most likely come back to bite her in the butt. I do not think Florida is deserving of a top 16 seed. I really don't. I think there are some decisions that are worthy of discussion, but Florida not hosting is not one of those decisions. It is obvious that Mary is so nervous about losing a first round match to a team from her own state that she is alienating herself from the coaches in her own league. Clueless. So, UCLA and Missouri deserve top 16 seeds? Exactly what did those 2 do to be seeded 15th and 16th? Florida, with an RPI of 5, is not seeded, but Missouri at 17 and UCLA at 29 are? Get a freakin clue. Teams with 8 and 9 losses, some of them bad(something Florida has none of), should not be seeded. Missouri lost to Creighton, nuff said. UCLA lost to Pepperdine, nuff said. And I wish people would get this idea out of their heads that Florida has had many Final 4's gift wrapped for them. In some years, they've hosted all the way through, but they've earned that right. Other years, they went on the road and knocked off Texas on their home court and Wisconsin on theirs to get there. They have earned every Final 4 they've been to, they faced tough teams along the way too. No gift wrapping, no favors.
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Post by ZookIsCooked on Nov 30, 2004 9:23:40 GMT -5
The notion that Florida had free rides to the Final Four is hilarious. Florida last year, no matter where they would of played, would have made the Final Four, they were awesome. Anyways, what does Florida have supposed "easy roads" to the Final Four have to do with them not being seeded this year? Face the facts people, Florida deserved to be seeded and they were severely screwed over by the committee.
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Post by TheSantaBarbarian on Nov 30, 2004 9:40:09 GMT -5
To put in more quantitative terms, two years ago I found the average Balcorra rankings for each of the sub-regionals. The UF SR had a ranking of about 78 while USC, THE TOP SEED, had an average team ranking of 32 and the UCSB SR was in the 30's. You are now learning what it is like under the present system when you have some local tough teams. You got some gifts and now you got a tough draw, it evens out pretty well.
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Post by GatorVball on Nov 30, 2004 9:53:18 GMT -5
This isn't just about Florida. It's about Hawaii, it's about Stanford, it's about FAMU, it's about teams who got screwed over for no good reason, while other teams got huge gifts, for no good reason.
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Post by pineapple on Nov 30, 2004 12:24:31 GMT -5
None of the outspoken coaches have to worry about fines. They are not denigrating the NCAA, they are pointing out valid problems with the selection process. Thankfully, we have that little clause in our constitution about freedom of speech. Ok, Island Girl, remember our discussion about the selection committee's determination and about due process in another string? This whole string is related.
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Post by Alberta on Dec 1, 2004 18:19:17 GMT -5
Gator, thank you for posting the highlights of the show, I missed it this week. How about a little political correctness, though. Please use the term 'mentally challenged' instead of 'retarded', it sounds so much nicer. Yeah, this whole seeding thing is pretty awful, but if the Gators want it bad enough, they will win it. It may actually be motivating for them, goodness knows they need some fire in their eyes! That's ONE thing they've been lacking this year.
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Post by gatorattack on Dec 1, 2004 18:27:52 GMT -5
Agree!
No fire, no look in their eyes that resembled the past look.
Let's see if we can turn that around. It is what Mary has been working towards and expecting all year.
By the way, I do not consider Florida the underdog on Thursday just because they have to travel.
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Post by naalii on Dec 1, 2004 19:03:51 GMT -5
Florida is awesome and their fans are tremendous. We in Hawaii has and will always have ultimate respect for the Gator Women Volleyball. See you in Long Beach.
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Post by Island on Dec 1, 2004 19:43:00 GMT -5
How is that possible, aren't we in the same bracket?
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