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Post by lvcalum on Dec 16, 2019 20:34:56 GMT -5
It would be surprising for Hames to beat out Knuckles for libero. A DS yes. Either DS or Libero might be to Hames advantage if she wants to play after graduating. Curious about Densberger. I assume she came to Nebraska to play. Coach Cook has his challenges keeping everyone satisfied. Note NE recruited a walk-on setter in the 2020 class. Zuhn may be a transfer candidate. Just not sure how her development went this year. Like to see her stay and commit to development. See her at this point more as OH than an MB. Anyone have knowledge on her and her potential. You mean Drewnick, not Densberger, right? I can’t fathom her staying when Hames is entrenched and Orr is coming. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 16, 2019 20:45:04 GMT -5
“ I don’t see any evidence to suggest he wouldn’t put the best player on the floor regardless of what year they were, or how many years they started.” Remember 2014? Mary Pollmiller? That one was a head scratcher. The best player he thinks obviously. |
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Post by rjaege on Dec 16, 2019 21:15:03 GMT -5
It would be surprising for Hames to beat out Knuckles for libero. A DS yes. Either DS or Libero might be to Hames advantage if she wants to play after graduating. Curious about Densberger. I assume she came to Nebraska to play. Coach Cook has his challenges keeping everyone satisfied. Note NE recruited a walk-on setter in the 2020 class. Zuhn may be a transfer candidate. Just not sure how her development went this year. Like to see her stay and commit to development. See her at this point more as OH than an MB. Anyone have knowledge on her and her potential. You mean Drewnick, not Densberger, right? I can’t fathom her staying when Hames is entrenched and Orr is coming. Correct I meant Drewnick. |
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Post by azsker on Dec 16, 2019 22:03:43 GMT -5
“ I don’t see any evidence to suggest he wouldn’t put the best player on the floor regardless of what year they were, or how many years they started.” Remember 2014? Mary Pollmiller? That one was a head scratcher. may have been a head scratcher, but it clearly worked out as Kelly led us to 2 national championships and 2017 was such a fun season for her and she wouldn’t have had that. We would’ve had Atherton. |
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Post by FreeBall on Dec 16, 2019 22:32:15 GMT -5
“ I don’t see any evidence to suggest he wouldn’t put the best player on the floor regardless of what year they were, or how many years they started.” Remember 2014? Mary Pollmiller? That one was a head scratcher. may have been a head scratcher, but it clearly worked out as Kelly led us to 2 national championships and 2017 was such a fun season for her and she wouldn’t have had that. We would’ve had Atherton. The real head scratcher happened in 2010 when Cook played his daughter in a 6-2 with Sydney Anderson, rather than having Lauren redshirt. Had he done so, Lauren would have been the starting setter in 2011, 2012 and 2013. It's interesting to think how the 2013 season would have turned out with Lauren setting Kelsey Robinson and the Rolfzen twins. The key question would have been whether Hunter redshirted that year, to preserve a year of eligibility and thus be able to start for four straight years beginning in 2014. Had this played out as described in the prior paragraph, it's likely that Mary Pollmiller would not have transferred to Nebraska. You would have had three years (2011-2013) with Lauren Cook setting, followed by four years (2014-2017) of Hunter setting, and then picked up with Hames as a freshman last season. |
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Post by jasonr on Dec 16, 2019 22:47:20 GMT -5
I don't see Hames relinquishing the setter role her senior season, but there is precedent. Cook moved DBK from setter to libero her senior year so that Holloway could start at setter. DBK went on to be the Big 12 DPOY. It would be tempting for Cook to do it again if Orr arrives next January. Obviously, Hames has all the attributes of a stellar libero (i.e. amazing floor defense, excellent bump setting, and competitiveness/floor generalship). That would mean taking the libero jersey from Kenzie for a year which would be odd. The other option would be going to a 6-2 since Nebraska will have so many arms on the roster, but Cook dislikes it due to setter/hitter consistency. I don’t see any evidence to suggest he wouldn’t put the best player on the floor regardless of what year they were, or how many years they started. Not sure how anyone could say Hames has all the attributes of a great libero when the number one attribute is passing, an she doesn’t. Great defenders aren’t automatically good passers. Now could she be a great passer? Of course, but Hames has probably been in about 2 serve receive drills in the last 6 years. Now she would blow Miller out of the water as a DS, as Sun, Kubik and Knuckles could pass. Having said all that, Hames won’t be easy to beat out. 1. She’s good. 2. She’s a great leader. 3. She has a VERY strong will. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. I'm very confident Hames could be an elite primary passer if put in that position. Her ball skills are too good, that's why she regularly played libero in pickup games with Tennessee players when she was a 5th grader (per K Rob). That said, I don't think it'll happen unless Orr comes in and shows some Holloway-type setting...which doesn't seem impossible, actually. |
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Post by volleyb on Dec 17, 2019 2:08:40 GMT -5
I don’t see any evidence to suggest he wouldn’t put the best player on the floor regardless of what year they were, or how many years they started. Not sure how anyone could say Hames has all the attributes of a great libero when the number one attribute is passing, an she doesn’t. Great defenders aren’t automatically good passers. Now could she be a great passer? Of course, but Hames has probably been in about 2 serve receive drills in the last 6 years. Now she would blow Miller out of the water as a DS, as Sun, Kubik and Knuckles could pass. Having said all that, Hames won’t be easy to beat out. 1. She’s good. 2. She’s a great leader. 3. She has a VERY strong will. I'll wait until 2021 to worry about all this. Hell, for all we know Hames could potentially tell Cook herself to make Orr the setter and herself a ds. *Some* people truly are the ultimate team players. clearly we’re all just team orr hahahah |
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Post by huskerrob on Dec 17, 2019 3:15:31 GMT -5
I am not team Orr. But, I surely am not team Hames either. I am hoping that Drewnick has a wonderful offseason.
1) Hames is too short to play on the net, it cost Huskers a huge amount of points this last season, especially against great teams.
2) Hames setting comes in 2 grades, that which she can do but is highly inconsistent & that which she can't do & so doesn't attempt it very much.
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Post by oldmanred on Dec 17, 2019 8:10:53 GMT -5
JC knows the individual talents and how to use them! I'll leave it in his capable hands!  GO HUSKERS |
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Post by hochee on Dec 17, 2019 9:28:36 GMT -5
may have been a head scratcher, but it clearly worked out as Kelly led us to 2 national championships and 2017 was such a fun season for her and she wouldn’t have had that. We would’ve had Atherton. The real head scratcher happened in 2010 when Cook played his daughter in a 6-2 with Sydney Anderson, rather than having Lauren redshirt. Had he done so, Lauren would have been the starting setter in 2011, 2012 and 2013. It's interesting to think how the 2013 season would have turned out with Lauren setting Kelsey Robinson and the Rolfzen twins. The key question would have been whether Hunter redshirted that year, to preserve a year of eligibility and thus be able to start for four straight years beginning in 2014. Had this played out as described in the prior paragraph, it's likely that Mary Pollmiller would not have transferred to Nebraska. You would have had three years (2011-2013) with Lauren Cook setting, followed by four years (2014-2017) of Hunter setting, and then picked up with Hames as a freshman last season. Find Terry Pettit's podcast and listen to his interview with Coach Cook, which includes discussion about the Sydney/Lauren situation. Spoiler alert..... he'd take a mulligan. |
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Post by nothingbutcorn on Dec 17, 2019 9:46:39 GMT -5
I also think Cook should have had Gina Mancuso redshirt. Image Cook, Mancuso, and Robinson together.
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Post by hochee on Dec 17, 2019 9:49:29 GMT -5
Orr is ridiculously talented. She is more talented than anyone in college right now. That said, she's on even footing with every other setter in the world -- Is she the right fit for the particular group with whom she'll be playing? A challenge will be whether she and her coaches can find the most effective ways to leverage her talent. Otherwise, she's "just" Carlini....big splash first year, calm waters last three. You know who was the #2 setter in the nation the year Carlini came out of high school? Kelly Hunter, two national titles to zero for Carlini the Magnificent. Setters as catalysts are multi-variable equations. :-)
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Post by bball on Dec 17, 2019 10:00:57 GMT -5
Orr is ridiculously talented. She is more talented than anyone in college right now. That said, she's on even footing with every other setter in the world -- Is she the right fit for the particular group with whom she'll be playing? A challenge will be whether she and her coaches can find the most effective ways to leverage her talent. Otherwise, she's "just" Carlini....big splash first year, calm waters last three. You know who was the #2 setter in the nation the year Carlini came out of high school? Kelly Hunter, two national titles to zero for Carlini the Magnificent. Setters as catalysts are multi-variable equations. :-) Though I believe Orr is quite talented. I dont believe she is as ordained 'right now'as many of you are suggesting at this time. She still has a ways to go and lots of room for improvement. Yes, I believe she will get there soon. But she still has some development coming.... sorry guys. Just stating some facts here. The 2021 class is great for Nebraska. But all players have development needed. Krause can improve on passing and blocking. Batenhorst needs to improve her contact point and vertical. Rodriguez still suspect in passing and bump setting. Gray needs better speed and more strength.... whitney needs to keep her offense improving and she def is getting there.... But, there is still plenty of work for this group. I know they still have another year of high school. But I hope they can still improve throughout the next year if they want to make immediate impacts as freshman and play for national titles. Our freshman this season took a long road to improvement. This 2021.class wont be much different. I think 22' 23' 24' we will be happy with this class. But 21 will be a growing year for the program. |
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Post by azsker on Dec 17, 2019 10:07:48 GMT -5
Orr is ridiculously talented. She is more talented than anyone in college right now. That said, she's on even footing with every other setter in the world -- Is she the right fit for the particular group with whom she'll be playing? A challenge will be whether she and her coaches can find the most effective ways to leverage her talent. Otherwise, she's "just" Carlini....big splash first year, calm waters last three. You know who was the #2 setter in the nation the year Carlini came out of high school? Kelly Hunter, two national titles to zero for Carlini the Magnificent. Setters as catalysts are multi-variable equations. :-) Though I believe Orr is quite talented. I dont believe she is as ordained 'right now'as many of you are suggesting at this time. She still has a ways to go and lots of room for improvement. Yes, I believe she will get there soon. But she still has some development coming.... sorry guys. Just stating some facts here. The 2021 class is great for Nebraska. But all players have development needed. Krause can improve on passing and blocking. Batenhorst needs to improve her contact point and vertical. Rodriguez still suspect in passing and bump setting. Gray needs better speed and more strength.... whitney needs to keep her offense improving and she def is getting there.... But, there is still plenty of work for this group. I know they still have another year of high school. But I hope they can still improve throughout the next year if they want to make immediate impacts as freshman and play for national titles. Our freshman this season took a long road to improvement. This 2021.class wont be much different. I think 22' 23' 24' we will be happy with this class. But 21 will be a growing year for the program. well hopefully the growing pains will be eased by a 2020 national championship 😏😁 |
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Post by coloradokidd on Dec 17, 2019 10:12:25 GMT -5
Will Orr redshirt? That'd be Hames senior season right? I don't see Hames relinquishing the setter role her senior season, but there is precedent. Cook moved DBK from setter to libero her senior year so that Holloway could start at setter. DBK went on to be the Big 12 DPOY. It would be tempting for Cook to do it again if Orr arrives next January. Obviously, Hames has all the attributes of a stellar libero (i.e. amazing floor defense, excellent bump setting, and competitiveness/floor generalship). That would mean taking the libero jersey from Kenzie for a year which would be odd. I actually think Orr will become the starting setter. With Nicklin probably wanting to play Pro beyond College, she will need that year at LIB - especially needing some advanced serve receive experience. I think that would be the best gift she could receive from NE if she indeed does want to go PRO. The same way JWO went from a S to a LIB before NE, I think Nicklin will go from S to LIB before going PRO. Imagine a back-court with Nicklin at LIB and Kenzie at DSL, with Kenzie returning to LIB for her Senior Season along with Soph Alexis Rodriguez at DSL, with Alexis probably being the future NE LIB. |
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