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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 23:22:09 GMT -5
Well, I completely agree with the bolded, which my second point that you didn't quote touched on, when I alluded to that right now, the NCAA --> NT pipeline doesn't really allow for players to play on the NT until after they graduate college. That's another discussion (or maybe not) but until there becomes a practical way for NCAA players to contribute to the senior NT, which IMO is a very significant systematic change, I didn't include NCAA players in my "wish list." I think Plummer is a tremendous talent and should be in the NT gym training at OPP. But I also reject the idea that it is a guarantee she is going to dominate at the international level like she does at the collegiate level and reject the idea we won't win Gold in Tokyo without her (especially in Karch's system). We've had incredible terminators who had Plummer-esque numbers (Lowe, Fawcett, Hodge) who have struggled at times at the next level. Hell, I thought Lowe was the future at the opposite position before her break (still haven't forgiven her for that). You know I'm with you when I want to see recent grads get more legitimate opportunities against top tier competition, but I think it's hyperbole to say Plummer is the key to winning Gold, at this point in time, when we haven't seen her play at the next level. If she could play this summer and we could see her play against the Serbias, Chinas, Netherlands, etc. of the world, maybe that would change my mind, but that goes back to my first paragraph - right now, it just isn't feasible or likely. Karch chooses not to incorporate NCAA players because he is so system-based and he doesn't have the time to train them into his system. I disagree. Time isn't the limiting factor. |
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Post by Disc808 on Mar 7, 2019 23:36:21 GMT -5
toddyj posted that Washington stated that Karch was going to fill the gym with players this summer... perhaps there's hope that he will look for some "new blood"? Either way, I'm skeptical that these players will merely serve to fill roster spots for the summer rather than compete w/ the "vets" for 2020 roster spots.
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 8, 2019 2:48:40 GMT -5
Yeah it's not that unusual for great players to do both. Nancy Metcalf redshirted in 2000(the year Nebraska won the NC) because she missed a lot of time training with USA. I think it was a different era. Now, believe me, I hope I'm wrong. I've had the good fortune to be a part of representing USA at the Olympics and it's truly an experience like no other. I think any collegiate player that has a shot to even train with the National Team should take that opportunity. But there's a lot of players that feel like they want to focus on their collegiate career first and put all their energy into that and then deal with the National Team when they graduate. I don't think it is because it was a different era, but rather, because it's a different philosophy. If college players or coaches are given the message by the National Team that National Team participation isn't compatible with NCAA play, then it won't be. But the opposite is true as well. |
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Post by bball on Mar 8, 2019 7:22:46 GMT -5
Sorry but Plummer is not THATTTTTTTT sensational. She likely WILL BE down the road. But saying she should be playing on the national team starting lineup right now is pretty laughable.
She had a disappointing championship match and could hardly score against jazz sweet? Per example. She still needs time.
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Post by joetrinsey on Mar 8, 2019 8:11:17 GMT -5
I think it was a different era. Now, believe me, I hope I'm wrong. I've had the good fortune to be a part of representing USA at the Olympics and it's truly an experience like no other. I think any collegiate player that has a shot to even train with the National Team should take that opportunity. But there's a lot of players that feel like they want to focus on their collegiate career first and put all their energy into that and then deal with the National Team when they graduate. I don't think it is because it was a different era, but rather, because it's a different philosophy. If college players or coaches are given the message by the National Team that National Team participation isn't compatible with NCAA play, then it won't be. But the opposite is true as well. That’s true. Obviously I have my biases like any person, but I’ve been on more sides of this coin than most: NT staff, collegiate men, collegiate women, as well as in-between stuff like WUG, CNT, etc. That doesn’t mean I’m right or I can know exactly what’s going on in everybody’s mind. But, in my experience, the collegiate women are handled much differently than the men. This is true in lots of aspects, including NT invites. I don’t think it’s lack of interest from the NT. Now, like I said, if Karch went to a player and was like, “we definitely want you on the Olympic roster,” I think the coaches would get on board. If you want to criticize him for being more conservative and veteran-oriented, sure, I get that. But, as many have said, there’s a big jump between, “able to play at NT level,” and, “able to help compete for a medal.” |
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Post by stanfordvb on Mar 8, 2019 8:29:39 GMT -5
Sorry but Plummer is not THATTTTTTTT sensational. She likely WILL BE down the road. But saying she should be playing on the national team starting lineup right now is pretty laughable. She had a disappointing championship match and could hardly score against jazz sweet? Per example. She still needs time. I agree saying Plummer could start off of her senior year is a stretch, the other girls have played at a very high level for so long and Plummer will have a lot of catching up to do. For her championship match, I wouldn’t base her abilities to she couldn’t “score against jazz sweet”, it wasn’t jazz sweetwho was doing anything extraordinary to stop her, Plummer was just making bad shots in the first set. Kim hill couldn’t even play at a top 10 college and look at her now. Plummer had a ad match but played very well against teams just as good as Nebraska so I think using one match performance isn’t reasonable. I think Plummer fastest chance to a playing role on the nt is a possible double sub hitting on the right. She can’t defensively play at that level yet so a 6 Rotation oppo is not gonna be possible right away. But she put up a big steady block and takes some nast right side swings which Aracely anyone else n the NCAA ever stops when gray sets her on the right. If Karch will USA right handers, I think she could push for a back up oppo spot in the double sub and be very effective. MAYBE. |
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Post by northwoods on Mar 8, 2019 9:34:11 GMT -5
toddyj posted that Washington stated that Karch was going to fill the gym with players this summer... perhaps there's hope that he will look for some "new blood"? Either way, I'm skeptical that these players will merely serve to fill roster spots for the summer rather than compete w/ the "vets" for 2020 roster spots. That would be a start. The NT schedule this summer has some events that would mesh with the NCAA season. The June VNL pool play with dates here, @ China & @ Russia in consecutive weeks begs for shuffling the roster just to give players a break from the travel. The Pan Am games 8/1-8/11 are a good fit for an NCAA athlete or 2 to get some NT experience with plenty of time for recovery before non-conference matches start. I don’t see coaches selfishly resistant to sending College athletes to play with the NT. I do think the Inky experience made the few with athletes of that caliber very cautious, and wanting input on workload, rest and recovery. |
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Post by Disc808 on Mar 8, 2019 12:19:03 GMT -5
Sorry but Plummer is not THATTTTTTTT sensational. She likely WILL BE down the road. But saying she should be playing on the national team starting lineup right now is pretty laughable. She had a disappointing championship match and could hardly score against jazz sweet? Per example. She still needs time. K but she should be given looks on the right side |
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Post by skullars on Mar 8, 2019 13:06:56 GMT -5
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Post by yupyupyup on Mar 8, 2019 13:33:27 GMT -5
If you were the coach, who would be the starting right side between Lowe, Murphy, and Plummer? I know it’s difficult with not being able to see Plummer against international completion, but what would be your guess on who would have the most success?
Also, one poster saying she wouldn’t be able to play back row. I think she would be fine considering we have Lowe back there and Plummer is a better defender then her.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Mar 8, 2019 13:57:55 GMT -5
If you were the coach, who would be the starting right side between Lowe, Murphy, and Plummer? I know it’s difficult with not being able to see Plummer against international completion, but what would be your guess on who would have the most success? Also, one poster saying she wouldn’t be able to play back row. I think she would be fine considering we have Lowe back there and Plummer is a better defender then her. If Plummer were in the mix I would probably give those three fairly equal playing time (and sprinkle in some Drews/Whitney/Cuttino), leaning towards more time for Plummer. I want to see very few substitutions and changing up of starting lineups throughout matches in the VNL. Let the players play themselves in/out and prove themselves the ability to turn it around in tough matches. |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Mar 8, 2019 13:58:58 GMT -5
For the record... I’m not convinced that given the opportunities Plummer would play herself onto the A roster before 2020.
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Post by Disc808 on Mar 8, 2019 14:06:22 GMT -5
For the record... I’m not convinced that given the opportunities Plummer would play herself onto the A roster before 2020. The problem is that Karch left so little opportunity for Plummer and others |
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Post by Disc808 on Mar 8, 2019 14:39:07 GMT -5
The problem is that Karch left so little opportunity for Plummer and others I totally agree there’s little opportunity left... but to be fair we don’t know what was offered to her in the past, what she may have turned down, what was being advised to her by Stanford/family/etc. Good point. There were rumors that Karch invited her to train last summer, but with her recent injuries at the time and the Stanford Europe trip she declined. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 15:01:12 GMT -5
Sorry but Plummer is not THATTTTTTTT sensational. ...says the Nebraska fan. |
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