|
|
Post by n00b on Apr 13, 2019 6:42:37 GMT -5
I’m not sure I understand this: “The conditioning work was a secondary Level III/secondary NCAA violation because it was countable athletic related activities after competition.” Teams do this sort of stuff after matches all the time? So I’m unsure how this is considered a violation? If they do, it’s an NCAA violation. It’s impermissible to have required practice or workouts after a contest (on that same day). |
|
|
|
Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 13, 2019 6:52:36 GMT -5
I’m not sure I understand this: “The conditioning work was a secondary Level III/secondary NCAA violation because it was countable athletic related activities after competition.” Teams do this sort of stuff after matches all the time? So I’m unsure how this is considered a violation? If they do, it’s an NCAA violation. It’s impermissible to have required practice or workouts after a contest (on that same day). So the key word there then is “required”? |
|
|
|
Post by n00b on Apr 13, 2019 7:19:01 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by sevb on Apr 13, 2019 7:53:12 GMT -5
Are the D1 and D2 CARA rules the same?
|
|
|
|
Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 13, 2019 7:56:16 GMT -5
Sooo... just for a hypothetical example: would a men's volleyball team lifting in the weight room of an opponent's gym after an athletic contest be in violation of this rule? |
|
|
|
Post by joetrinsey on Apr 13, 2019 8:06:38 GMT -5
Don’t know Chuck or the situation.
But I appreciate hearing directly from him on the matter. Doesn’t mean I believe everything (there’s 3 sides to every story) but I think it’s a sad commentary on our society that speaking up for yourself might be considered a bad idea- and I can see how it would be. But it’s funny to see anonymous posters criticizing somebody for publicly taking (some) accountability for their actions.
Edit: For what it’s worth, the only thing I don’t like about Chuck’s post is that there’s a bit of, “I made mistakes but...” to it. When you’re the leader, you have to take responsibility for the whole program. If you have a liar in the program, how did they get there? Why were they allowed to remain around the team? Why was the relationship allowed to deteriorate to the point that they are willing to tell lies about you to get you fired?
I’m not trying to sermonize here. Coaches are human and we all make mistakes. But to me, the mistake wasn’t dropping a F-bomb or running players until they puke. There are plenty of instances of coaches doing that and coming through the experience with a stronger team. (Although I think both of those actions should be exceptions and not the rule) The mistake, from my outside observation, is the quality of relationships and division on the team that yielded a mutiny after these actions. From reading his response, I don’t totally see Chuck learning that lesson, but I’m not going to judge too much from just one post.
|
|
|
|
Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 13, 2019 8:13:45 GMT -5
Don’t know Chuck or the situation. But I appreciate hearing directly from him on the matter. Doesn’t mean I believe everything (there’s 3 sides to every story) but I think it’s a sad commentary on our society that speaking up for yourself might be considered a bad idea- and I can see how it would be. But it’s funny to see anonymous posters criticizing somebody for publicly taking (some) accountability for their actions. I think it's a bad idea to post anyone's cell number, yourself or others', online... and I wish he'd take that part out for his own safety and well-being. |
|
|
|
Post by bigfan on Apr 13, 2019 11:04:50 GMT -5
Hope it works out for you. Volleytalk will be watching. |
|
|
|
Post by bigfan on Apr 13, 2019 11:05:45 GMT -5
Are the D1 and D2 CARA rules the same? yes |
|
|
|
Post by n00b on Apr 13, 2019 16:11:52 GMT -5
Sooo... just for a hypothetical example: would a men's volleyball team lifting in the weight room of an opponent's gym after an athletic contest be in violation of this rule? That would be a violation |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 16:33:23 GMT -5
If someone was talking about going over hours for DI:
17.1.7.3.2 Competition Day. All competition and any associated athletically related activities on the
day of competition shall count as three hours regardless of the actual duration of these activities.
Here is the bylaw that applies to the conditioning after contests for DI:
17.1.7.3.2.1 Countable Athletically Related Activities Prohibited After Competition.
Countable athletically related activities may not be conducted at any time (including vacation
periods) following competition, except between contests, rounds or events during a multiday or multievent
competition (e.g., double-headers in softball or baseball, rounds of golf in a multiday tournament).
(Adopted: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91, Revised: 1/10/92, 4/13/09)
|
|
|
|
Post by odinaka on Apr 13, 2019 17:38:53 GMT -5
Hats off to administration with a desire to develop their coaches. This is the rare trait anymore. Very few coaches I know are mistake free. It’s how we respond and our administration responds. Fortunately for Chuck, his administration took a develop mindset. As Geno Auriemma said before the final four for WBB, most coaches are scared of their athletes. Unfortunately, this is true. Every one of us coaches is one pissed off parent/player away from being un-hirable. “Investigation” is the new buzzword and normally means goodbye for all involved. Then don’t be a @$$%*!*! |
|
|
|
Post by sevb on Apr 13, 2019 18:14:22 GMT -5
Hats off to administration with a desire to develop their coaches. This is the rare trait anymore. Very few coaches I know are mistake free. It’s how we respond and our administration responds. Fortunately for Chuck, his administration took a develop mindset. As Geno Auriemma said before the final four for WBB, most coaches are scared of their athletes. Unfortunately, this is true. Every one of us coaches is one pissed off parent/player away from being un-hirable. “Investigation” is the new buzzword and normally means goodbye for all involved. Then don’t be a @$$%*!*! Sometimes if SAs aren't idiots... coaches don't have to be "@$$%*!*! |
|
|
|
Post by Not Me on Apr 13, 2019 20:05:59 GMT -5
Remember, coaches: You're just one recruit away from being a d*ck! Or just one recruit away from people knowing who you really are. |
|
|
|
Post by shawty on Apr 13, 2019 20:23:43 GMT -5
What a feeling to wonder which coach was going to show up...Chuck or Chuckie.  That was funny. On a more serious note, I think what made me cringe a little about the coach's post in defense of his actions is the impulsive feel of it. It has echoes the reported lapses in self-control, however fleeting, that landed him in trouble. I don't know anyone involved or anything close to all the facts, just going off what the coach posted and the news story. Hoping for a good resolution for all. |
|
That was funny.