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Post by sevb on Apr 13, 2019 20:40:27 GMT -5
As someone who knows one of those SAs, they weren't being idiots. The team wasn't winning, and his reaction was to punish them however he saw fit. I have heard things like, lowering their per diem for meals, taking away their spirit wear, telling them he was just going to lower his expectations, etc. What a feeling to wonder which coach was going to show up...Chuck or Chuckie. As someone who has known thousands of SAs.... they're capable of being idiots... Lowering their per diem? But they still ate right? Taking away their spirit wear? You mean the apparel that the program gave them in the first place? Telling them he was going to lower expectations? To match what they may have been doing? Im sorry someone treated someone you know in a way that made them feel poorly about themselves or their performance... But nothing you posted is either abusive or unheard of. |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 13, 2019 20:44:55 GMT -5
As someone who knows one of those SAs, they weren't being idiots. The team wasn't winning, and his reaction was to punish them however he saw fit. I have heard things like, lowering their per diem for meals, taking away their spirit wear, telling them he was just going to lower his expectations, etc. What a feeling to wonder which coach was going to show up...Chuck or Chuckie. As someone who has known thousands of SAs.... they're capable of being idiots... Lowering their per diem? But they still ate right? Taking away their spirit wear? You mean the apparel that the program gave them in the first place? Telling them he was going to lower expectations? To match what they may have been doing? Im sorry someone treated someone you know in a way that made them feel poorly about themselves or their performance... But nothing you posted is either abusive or unheard of. Do you work with student-athletes? Because you probably shouldn't. |
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Post by sevb on Apr 13, 2019 20:47:28 GMT -5
As someone who has known thousands of SAs.... they're capable of being idiots... Lowering their per diem? But they still ate right? Taking away their spirit wear? You mean the apparel that the program gave them in the first place? Telling them he was going to lower expectations? To match what they may have been doing? Im sorry someone treated someone you know in a way that made them feel poorly about themselves or their performance... But nothing you posted is either abusive or unheard of. Do you work with student-athletes? Because you probably shouldn't. Did I hurt your feelings? |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 13, 2019 20:49:22 GMT -5
Do you work with student-athletes? Because you probably shouldn't. Did I hurt your feelings? Not at all. You just showed that you're an ass. |
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Post by sevb on Apr 13, 2019 20:54:39 GMT -5
Did I hurt your feelings? Not at all. You just showed that you're an ass. There is no arguing that... but If you're going to disagree... do so... And if you coach... at any level... then you know each of the things that I said happen... regularly. We just choked... I think were getting Wendys instead of Cracker Barrel! They got food. Get the brakes beat off of you by a rival at home? Locked out of the locker room and can't wear team gear for a week. Tell an O1 after she hits .500 on a Fri and -.350 on a Sat that maybe everyone should just be happy at .250? Yeah... totally out of line. |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 13, 2019 21:00:35 GMT -5
Not at all. You just showed that you're an ass. There is no arguing that... but If you're going to disagree... do so... And if you coach... at any level... then you know each of the things that I said happen... regularly. We just choked... I think were getting Wendys instead of Cracker Barrel! They got food. Get the brakes beat off of you by a rival at home? Locked out of the locker room and can't wear team gear for a week. Tell an O1 after she hits .500 on a Fri and -.350 on a Sat that maybe everyone should just be happy at .250? Yeah... totally out of line. The landscape is changing, no doubt. I don't think the direction that it's going is necessarily a good one. But heaping scorn on student athletes isn't the way to go. I'm sure you know there are plenty of coaches who are also idiots. There's plenty of blame to go around. Better yet, rather than fix blame, what can be done to alter the current situation. |
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Post by sevb on Apr 13, 2019 21:11:07 GMT -5
Every coach I know... everyone... has been an idiot at some point in their career.
Every SA I know... everyone... has been an idiot at some point in their athletics career.
The landscape is to complex to boil it down to either group doing one thing or another... its just to fluid. How many kids are in the transfer portal?? How many parents go straight to their ADs over "insert anything you want here"?How many ADs have never coached a day in their lives? How many coaches are struggling in their own lives - and then get to deal with SAs and Admin on TOP of that. Every group listed is in their own bubble trying to stay afloat and simply keep up. They want their scholarship, salary, championship rings, and big money department donations. Yet - here we sit on anonymous message boards because the concession stand at the club tournament has closed down and the Maui Waui place is out of Strawberry Banana mix... Wait - thats me... never mind... Lets just go back to me being an ass... Its spot on!
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Post by upallnight on Apr 13, 2019 22:16:27 GMT -5
I find it very sad that a college volleyball coach feels the need to defend himself on this forum. Or even reads this forum at all for that matter. If that’s where you are in your career then maybe you shouldn’t be coaching.
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Post by sevb on Apr 14, 2019 7:28:04 GMT -5
I find it very sad that a college volleyball coach feels the need to defend himself on this forum. Or even reads this forum at all for that matter. If that’s where you are in your career then maybe you shouldn’t be coaching. I find it very sad that this forum has become PrepvolleyballJr... and overrun by parents and entitled athletes... its used to be way cooler... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 7:30:10 GMT -5
I find it very sad that a college volleyball coach feels the need to defend himself on this forum. Or even reads this forum at all for that matter. If that’s where you are in your career then maybe you shouldn’t be coaching. All sorts of college coaches read VT. There's good info here and its available faster here than IRL. |
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Post by vboldskool on Apr 14, 2019 8:14:07 GMT -5
I find it very sad that a college volleyball coach feels the need to defend himself on this forum. Or even reads this forum at all for that matter. If that’s where you are in your career then maybe you shouldn’t be coaching. All sorts of college coaches read VT. There's good info here and its available faster here than IRL. And I’ll add to the above many post through their alter egos and even more post using surrogates. The coaching world really isn’t that big when it gets down to it. |
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Post by upallnight on Apr 14, 2019 9:03:35 GMT -5
I find it very sad that a college volleyball coach feels the need to defend himself on this forum. Or even reads this forum at all for that matter. If that’s where you are in your career then maybe you shouldn’t be coaching. All sorts of college coaches read VT. There's good info here and its available faster here than IRL. This forum is full of overly sensationalized, overly dramatic and overly speculative (and wrong) information. That’s why it’s entertaining. But most of it is not “good info”. I would hope the smart coaches know that. |
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 14, 2019 9:15:43 GMT -5
I find it very sad that a college volleyball coach feels the need to defend himself on this forum. Or even reads this forum at all for that matter. If that’s where you are in your career then maybe you shouldn’t be coaching. All sorts of college coaches read VT. There's good info here and its available faster here than IRL. I'll be surprised if coaches did NOT read this forum. Yes, there are plenty of trashy posts on here, but there are also nuggets of pretty useful information. It is for the indivudual to decide, whether they are a coach, athlete or parent, the value of the post they read on here. |
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Post by sevb on Apr 14, 2019 9:15:56 GMT -5
All sorts of college coaches read VT. There's good info here and its available faster here than IRL. This forum is full of overly sensationalized, overly dramatic and overly speculative (and wrong) information. That’s why it’s entertaining. But most of it is not “good info”. I would hope the smart coaches know that. Great 2nd post... |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 14, 2019 9:41:31 GMT -5
I find it very sad that a college volleyball coach feels the need to defend himself on this forum. Or even reads this forum at all for that matter. If that’s where you are in your career then maybe you shouldn’t be coaching. I find it very sad that this forum has become PrepvolleyballJr... and overrun by parents and entitled athletes... its used to be way cooler... Dinosaurs are way cool too ... after a few hundred million years. Arguing to the lowest common denominator isn't helpful, and that is what you (and the coach who posted) are doing. Of course there are selfish, greedy, obnoxious, entitled parents and their spawn. But this is not a new phenomenon. Those same type of parents and people have always existed. What is important is to understand the environment in which it is taking place. What I hear from you is: "The sands are shifting, and I don't understand what (or why this) is happening." A successful coach in this environment is going to have to navigate a terrain where some players/parents want a pal or a tour guide rather than a teacher. But let's not kid ourselves. Who created the PrepVolleyball environment where obnoxious, entitled parents (and players) could fester? It was selfish, greedy, obnoxious entitled club directors and coaches. |
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