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Post by HawaiiVB on Jan 12, 2021 16:25:41 GMT -5
Nope. Facts are facts, most conferences are going into this with covid in mind. But they will try anyway. you said the choice was short sighted and dismissive. If they don’t have the funds to operate an extra sport they don’t have a choice But is it all the schools? It is one? It seems to me that they could say, who wants to play, play. You guys know that I'm being pretty simple. Schools do not have sports as a main priority, I know that. It's just maddening. We should have tried, even for a mini schedule. It just shows commitment to the cause.
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Post by beachgrad on Jan 12, 2021 17:03:47 GMT -5
Beyond COVID and the associated costs to test, most BW schools do not have the resources or space to have all their established sporting teams play at the same time. For example, each school only hires and staffs a certain number of athletic trainers based on the sports they play and how spread out they are during the academic year. So to play all the sports at the same time each school would probably have to double or triple the number of trainers they normally staff. This doubling and tripling of resources, money and personnel, would be across many platforms. Having every sport play during the spring season will be very difficult for the largest athletic departments and impossible for smaller departments like the ones in the Big West. Based on health and financial cost, I believe the BW made the best decision by cancelling falls sports and give the other teams a chance to play, especially since they were cancelled last year.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Jan 12, 2021 17:49:49 GMT -5
Beyond COVID and the associated costs to test, most BW schools do not have the resources or space to have all their established sporting teams play at the same time. For example, each school only hires and staffs a certain number of athletic trainers based on the sports they play and how spread out they are during the academic year. So to play all the sports at the same time each school would probably have to double or triple the number of trainers they normally staff. This doubling and tripling of resources, money and personnel, would be across many platforms. Having every sport play during the spring season will be very difficult for the largest athletic departments and impossible for smaller departments like the ones in the Big West. Based on health and financial cost, I believe the BW made the best decision by cancelling falls sports and give the other teams a chance to play, especially since they were cancelled last year. And doing things like this is helping how? It doesn't look good. Who's to say next season they won't do the same thing? The effects of the pandemic are going to be around for a long time, including struggling school resources. I don't think you can call yourself a Mid-Major if you cannot even compete with everyone else. You are just a wanna-be.
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Post by jake on Jan 13, 2021 12:50:16 GMT -5
Right now as we speak ONLY two conferences,...Ivy League & Big West conferences of the 32 conferences playing D1 WVB have canceled their seasons!!!
This will have a trickle-down effect on these two conferences in years to come. And, especially if these conferences suspend their 2021 fall seasons, too.
Why are the Pac12, WCC & Mountain West, conferences with California team members still scheduled to play in spring 2021? Dan Butterly needs to publicly address why these three are playing and why the Big West has canceled.
He needs to be open, honest and very clear explaining the reason the BWC has taken their path to travel,... depriving eleven schools the opportunity to compete in the spring of 2021.
If,...the bottom line is financial (I believe it is) than have the courage to say so! Fans, alums, coaches and players deserve to know the truth and exactly why from newly hired commissioner Dan Butterly.
A simple podcast will suffice!!!
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Post by HawaiiVB on Jan 13, 2021 19:00:50 GMT -5
Right now as we speak ONLY two conferences,...Ivy League & Big West conferences of the 32 conferences playing D1 WVB have canceled their seasons!!! This will have a trickle-down effect on these two conferences in years to come. And, especially if these conferences suspend their 2021 fall seasons, too. Why are the Pac12, WCC & Mountain West, conferences with California team members still scheduled to play in spring 2021? Dan Butterly needs to publicly address why these three are playing and why the Big West has canceled. He needs to be open, honest and very clear explaining the reason the BWC has taken their path to travel,... depriving eleven schools the opportunity to compete in the spring of 2021. If,...the bottom line is financial (I believe it is) than have the courage to say so! Fans, alums, coaches and players deserve to know the truth and exactly why from newly hired commissioner Dan Butterly. A simple podcast will suffice!!! A press conference to bring transparency would be helpful. Are they afraid schools will jump ship? We don't have a right to know, I get that, but it would be nice if the facts were documented for the public to see.
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Post by brooselee on Jan 14, 2021 0:15:26 GMT -5
Except than Hawaii, volleyball is an “afterthought “ sport for most BW schools, They don’t draw crowds, don’t get much coverage and nobody cares about women’s volleyball.
It’s probably harsh to say but I think it’s true. Basketball is considered to be a major sports so getting the season in is more important than getting a volleyball season in.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they cancelled men’s volleyball and baseball due to “lack of funding”. Both men’s volleyball and baseball have large rosters and to test each teams 3 times a week for 2 months is going to be costly.
Best case scenario is that all the teams are vaccinated by then and maybe only test once, like a couple of days before game days. Baseball can be played with masks and they don’t body up against each other like basketball so that could work but volleyball might be a little more problematic since players at the net are face to face and breathing on each other throughout the match.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Jan 14, 2021 0:40:47 GMT -5
Except than Hawaii, volleyball is an “afterthought “ sport for most BW schools, They don’t draw crowds, don’t get much coverage and nobody cares about women’s volleyball. It’s probably harsh to say but I think it’s true. Basketball is considered to be a major sports so getting the season in is more important than getting a volleyball season in. Wouldn’t be surprised if they cancelled men’s volleyball and baseball due to “lack of funding”. Both men’s volleyball and baseball have large rosters and to test each teams 3 times a week for 2 months is going to be costly. Best case scenario is that all the teams are vaccinated by then and maybe only test once, like a couple of days before game days. Baseball can be played with masks and they don’t body up against each other like basketball so that could work but volleyball might be a little more problematic since players at the net are face to face and breathing on each other throughout the match. That may be true, but the Big West has been a long time contender prior to the emergence of the power five conference - a term used around 2006. The bragging rights for this conference around women's volleyball have been touted by the conference for a very long time. Now as you say, most of the other teams don't draw crowds is apples to oranges. I would think if having large crowds is a requirement to allow your season to move forward then explain women's basketball? Or most of the men's basketball teams? I can assure you, men's volleyball last season was short-ended not because of a lack of draw, but directly because of Covid. If you talk about just the size of a draw, Hawai'i's Wahine toll would make up for most of everyone else's deficit combined. And if it's about draw size as you say, what s the conference doing to promote the sport? Are they finding ways to draw crowds as you say? I feel bad for the athletes, not to mention all of the staff and support crew from each school in connection with this sport.
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Post by jake on Jan 14, 2021 12:33:31 GMT -5
Except than Hawaii, volleyball is an “afterthought “ sport for most BW schools, They don’t draw crowds, don’t get much coverage and nobody cares about women’s volleyball. It’s probably harsh to say but I think it’s true. Basketball is considered to be a major sports so getting the season in is more important than getting a volleyball season in. Wouldn’t be surprised if they cancelled men’s volleyball and baseball due to “lack of funding”. Both men’s volleyball and baseball have large rosters and to test each teams 3 times a week for 2 months is going to be costly. Best case scenario is that all the teams are vaccinated by then and maybe only test once, like a couple of days before game days. Baseball can be played with masks and they don’t body up against each other like basketball so that could work but volleyball might be a little more problematic since players at the net are face to face and breathing on each other throughout the match. That may be true, but the Big West has been a long time contender prior to the emergence of the power five conference - a term used around 2006. The bragging rights for this conference around women's volleyball have been touted by the conference for a very long time. Now as you say, most of the other teams don't draw crowds is apples to oranges. I would think if having large crowds is a requirement to allow your season to move forward then explain women's basketball? Or most of the men's basketball teams? I can assure you, men's volleyball last season was short-ended not because of a lack of draw, but directly because of Covid. If you talk about just the size of a draw, Hawai'i's Wahine toll would make up for most of everyone else's deficit combined. And if it's about draw size as you say, what s the conference doing to promote the sport? Are they finding ways to draw crowds as you say? I feel bad for the athletes, not to mention all of the staff and support crew from each school in connection with this sport. Realize all fall sports (XCountry & Men's & Women's Soccer) must be considered when deciding to play in spring 2021. However,...Women's VB, like basketball has the least number of players, therefore, the lowest testing costs. The argument can be made allowing ONLY Women's VB teams to participate in spring 2021 would not "break the bank"!!! Women VB is also the most attractive (fan attended) fall sport in the Big West Conference. Men's Basketball the favorite in the winter,... Baseball in the spring for the Big West Conference.
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Post by noblesol on Jan 14, 2021 15:14:40 GMT -5
Hawai'i WVB was practicing in the fall. They were planning to play a season. When and what it would of looked like, they weren't sure but they were hoping and working the issues. What the other BW schools were doing in the gym, I'm not sure. But, reading between the lines from other posters, some (all?) weren't having team practices, maybe weren't even on campus. What that suggests to me is that there are BW schools that decided the effort to have a season wasn't worth the dollar cost, and their athletic programs have weak administrative and financial support.
It wouldn't surprise me if many BW schools had administrators perennially looking for reasons to trim back their athletic programs. So many of their programs are a drag on school budgets. With covid, they've been able to wrap themselves in 'covid safety' policy virtue while wielding an axe to their athletic budgets. If the damages done to their programs are permanent, so much the better their future arguments may be to cut even more.
It won't be surprising to me to see some BW programs start losing staff and student athletes soon. Some must be wondering if there are greener pastures where programs are better supported.
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Post by jake on Jan 15, 2021 12:19:19 GMT -5
Hawai'i WVB was practicing in the fall. They were planning to play a season. When and what it would of looked like, they weren't sure but they were hoping and working the issues. What the other BW schools were doing in the gym, I'm not sure. But, reading between the lines from other posters, some (all?) weren't having team practices, maybe weren't even on campus. What that suggests to me is that there are BW schools that decided the effort to have a season wasn't worth the dollar cost, and their athletic programs have weak administrative and financial support. It wouldn't surprise me if many BW schools had administrators perennially looking for reasons to trim back their athletic programs. So many of their programs are a drag on school budgets. With covid, they've been able to wrap themselves in 'covid safety' policy virtue while wielding an axe to their athletic budgets. If the damages done to their programs are permanent, so much the better their future arguments may be to cut even more. It won't be surprising to me to see some BW programs start losing staff and student athletes soon. Some must be wondering if there are greener pastures where programs are better supported. Of course,...COVID has hurt many (all) schools in the BWC,...some certainly harder than others. And, many are being very agreeable to suspending fall programs for the season. A pity!!! The "Red" (actually "White") flag has gone up!!! The decision not to try and reschedule canceled Men's & Women's Basketball games during this abbreviated season is a strong indicator how uncomfortable the cash flow in the conference has become. I guess if one wanted to do some digging,...year-end (or fiscal reporting) for 2019 & 2020 could give a clearer picture.
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Post by beachgrad on Jan 15, 2021 16:54:00 GMT -5
The Big West announced yesterday that the conference is moving forward with spring sports. Good news for those teams but women’s volleyball will have to wait until next year since those teams competed during the fall season and will stay cancelled.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Jan 15, 2021 17:34:27 GMT -5
The Big West announced yesterday that the conference is moving forward with spring sports. Good news for those teams but women’s volleyball will have to wait until next year since those teams competed during the fall season and will stay cancelled. Fall Sports=Sacrificial Lambs. The BW can only schedule Spring Sports, but they don't know how this pandemic will be by then. So it's more suspicious to me for not allowing Fall to happen, they only canceled the season after the augmented non-NCAA Women's season ended. They even allowed teams to practice. Knowing they would be playing at a later date. And after all that time no updates, just the announcement to cancel Fall sports, even though we are technically in the Winter/Spring Sport timeline.
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Post by jake on Jan 15, 2021 19:48:04 GMT -5
The Big West announced yesterday that the conference is moving forward with spring sports. Good news for those teams but women’s volleyball will have to wait until next year since those teams competed during the fall season and will stay cancelled. Fall Sports=Sacrificial Lambs. The BW can only schedule Spring Sports, but they don't know how this pandemic will be by then. So it's more suspicious to me for not allowing Fall to happen, they only canceled the season after the augmented non-NCAA Women's season ended. They even allowed teams to practice. Knowing they would be playing at a later date. And after all that time no updates, just the announcement to cancel Fall sports, even though we are technically in the Winter/Spring Sport timeline. Comiss Butterly should step up and make an announcement to all teams playing BWC Women's VB. That as a Conference we are canceling the season. However, those institutions wishing to enter the 2021 spring season may do so as an "independent". The teams they schedule nor outcome will have no bearing on the Conference whatsoever.
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Post by beachgrad on Jan 15, 2021 20:00:28 GMT -5
Jake, I believe most conference are playing a conference only schedule or a very limited out of conference. There would be very limited opportunities for an independent to play matches.
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Post by jake on Jan 16, 2021 14:29:33 GMT -5
Jake, I believe most conference are playing a conference only schedule or a very limited out of conference. There would be very limited opportunities for an independent to play matches. I am really implying if two or more Big West Conference schools wanted to come out and play each other they could set up a pseudo double round-robin tournament.
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