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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 18:46:28 GMT -5
There were 4 passers (all of whom were on the roster) who made more than 300 passers in 2019. Lexi Sun was one of them. She had a 38.5% GP%. The next worst, Megan Miller, was at 46.6%. The best in the conference were over 60%. I'm not sure what you're arguing here... Did I not say she was the weakest primary passer? I’m not arguing anything other than “the roster” makes it look she’s the worst passer on the entire team which wouldn’t be true. It just seemed unnecessary as the overwhelming majority of the roster never passed a ball. It’s all good Haha that's it? I had used the word team in the previous sentence and I don't like repeating nouns like team. You really will argue with me about anything!
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Post by jwvolley on Aug 14, 2020 19:20:36 GMT -5
I thought by the end of the season that Lexi had become a Top OH. The lack of quality first contact really hurt her numbers last season. Considering Sun was third on the team in total passes in 2019 and also the worst passer on the roster (1.85 grade out of 3, 38.5% good pass) some might describe that as self harm... Eh. How often was she taking swings on balls that she passed though? I’m tired but I can’t recall that happening super often. But yes, she certainly didn’t help the overall level of ball control, nobody would deny that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 19:40:52 GMT -5
Considering Sun was third on the team in total passes in 2019 and also the worst passer on the roster (1.85 grade out of 3, 38.5% good pass) some might describe that as self harm... Eh. How often was she taking swings on balls that she passed though? I’m tired but I can’t recall that happening super often. But yes, she certainly didn’t help the overall level of ball control, nobody would deny that. You're right about her not hitting after she passes. That was both a function of them splitting in Ro 1 (when Sun is FR) and also her own ball control issues. To be clear, I'm not a "Sun hater"... I'm on record with my thoughts behind the reasons for Lexi's passing performance (tl:dr; she got less help than she is used to and she's exactly same passer as she was in 2018 when she had a 50% GP) BUT suggesting that Sun's performance was limited by the first contact without noting that she was also a contributor to that shaky first contact is disingenuous.
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Post by tedheise on Aug 14, 2020 20:20:49 GMT -5
Did I not say she was the weakest primary passer? I’m not arguing anything other than “the roster” makes it look she’s the worst passer on the entire team which wouldn’t be true. It just seemed unnecessary as the overwhelming majority of the roster never passed a ball. It’s all good Haha that's it? I had used the word team in the previous sentence and I don't like repeating nouns like team. You really will argue with me about anything! Well, gibby's point seemed legit to me. I see a difference between worst of 4 and worst of 15 (or whatever the full roster number was).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 20:22:02 GMT -5
Haha that's it? I had used the word team in the previous sentence and I don't like repeating nouns like team. You really will argue with me about anything! Well, gibby's point seemed legit to me. I see a difference between worst of 4 and worst of 15 (or whatever the full roster number was). As I said, I just don't like overusing the word team. If people want to read more into that, they can, but that's all it was.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 14, 2020 21:37:09 GMT -5
Did I not say she was the weakest primary passer? I’m not arguing anything other than “the roster” makes it look she’s the worst passer on the entire team which wouldn’t be true. It just seemed unnecessary as the overwhelming majority of the roster never passed a ball. It’s all good Haha that's it? I had used the word team in the previous sentence and I don't like repeating nouns like team. You really will argue with me about anything! “It’s all good” is something stated to show there isn’t a conflict or disagreement. I’ve not “argued” in this discussion by any reasonable definition of “argue” My point and response acknowledged your point and I agreed with it. Sorry all of that wasn’t enough.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 14, 2020 22:09:44 GMT -5
Well, gibby's point seemed legit to me. I see a difference between worst of 4 and worst of 15 (or whatever the full roster number was). As I said, I just don't like overusing the word team. If people want to read more into that, they can, but that's all it was. Which is an acknowledgment that your choice of words could be misconstrued. That’s not a big deal, that happens all of the time.
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Post by knapplc on Aug 14, 2020 22:56:31 GMT -5
Here's my list of players I wish would leave the team.
Alphabetically:
Numerically:
Sorted by Prime Number closest to their jersey:
By age:
By state of origin (reverse alphabetical order):
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Post by tedheise on Aug 15, 2020 7:55:32 GMT -5
Well, gibby's point seemed legit to me. I see a difference between worst of 4 and worst of 15 (or whatever the full roster number was). As I said, I just don't like overusing the word team. If people want to read more into that, they can, but that's all it was. Agree this is no big deal, but it still seems legitimate to question the point. "team" seems no different than "roster" unless "team" means the four players doing the bulk of the passing, rather than the whole team.
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Post by northwoods on Aug 15, 2020 8:18:05 GMT -5
I thought by the end of the season that Lexi had become a Top OH. The lack of quality first contact really hurt her numbers last season. Considering Sun was third on the team in total passes in 2019 and also the worst passer on the roster (1.85 grade out of 3, 38.5% good pass) some might describe that as self harm... As an outside observer, I couldn’t understand why she was in the passing rotations. Her back row attack potential didn’t make up for the passing and defense issues. The consensus in my section of the stands was that Cook promised father that she would play 6 rotations to get her to transfer and now he’s stuck with her back there...
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Post by FreeBall on Aug 15, 2020 9:13:02 GMT -5
Considering Sun was third on the team in total passes in 2019 and also the worst passer on the roster (1.85 grade out of 3, 38.5% good pass) some might describe that as self harm... As an outside observer, I couldn’t understand why she was in the passing rotations. Her back row attack potential didn’t make up for the passing and defense issues. The consensus in my section of the stands was that Cook promised father that she would play 6 rotations to get her to transfer and now he’s stuck with her back there... What player on the bench last season would have been a better option? I'm not convinced that Densberger would have been an upgrade, particularly when you consider factors beyond serve receive, such as floor defense and back row attack potential.
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Post by jwvolley on Aug 15, 2020 9:22:00 GMT -5
As an outside observer, I couldn’t understand why she was in the passing rotations. Her back row attack potential didn’t make up for the passing and defense issues. The consensus in my section of the stands was that Cook promised father that she would play 6 rotations to get her to transfer and now he’s stuck with her back there... What is all this stuff about her dad? Is it really true? Elaborate. Don’t encourage that type of discussion. Nothing good can come of it and it’s insulting to the player.
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Post by udubhuskiefan on Aug 15, 2020 9:32:59 GMT -5
What is all this stuff about her dad? Is it really true? Elaborate. Don’t encourage that type of discussion. Nothing good can come of it and it’s insulting to the player. Didn’t realize that was what I was doing. My bad. Deleted. Sorry about that.
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Post by huskerrob on Aug 16, 2020 4:37:56 GMT -5
As an outside observer, I couldn’t understand why she was in the passing rotations. Her back row attack potential didn’t make up for the passing and defense issues. The consensus in my section of the stands was that Cook promised father that she would play 6 rotations to get her to transfer and now he’s stuck with her back there... What player on the bench last season would have been a better option? I'm not convinced that Densberger would have been an upgrade, particularly when you consider factors beyond serve receive, such as floor defense and back row attack potential. who knows since it isn't an option that has or would be explored. When Lexi was injured at times, Zuhn subbed in and I believe stayed in for 5 of the 6 rotations, though I would need to recheck the video to validate that. But there is other conclusions...like instead of subbing Jazz, Miller would sub for Lexi...and whomever the next season's replacement of Miller is following that.
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Post by oldmanred on Aug 16, 2020 9:51:36 GMT -5
Well hopefully it will all be settled out by Spring! 😎
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