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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 17:18:11 GMT -5
I'm not knocking anything Texas has achieved so maybe the point would be better illustrated with a different example, like Baylor. They have zero chance at maintaining that #2 ranking. If the B12 had split the season between fall and spring they'd still have had the ugly loss to Kansas but wouldn't have had those two error filled matches against Texas. They'd have had another training block to sort out their issues plus a big time reinforcement in Preslie Anderson arriving from Cal in Jan - Texas are also getting reinforcements who could've benefited from more spring matches. Baylor would have had the spring to make a push for a top 4 seed. That's effectively the position Florida are in now. There's pros and cons to both. I was just pointing out the possible pros to playing a full schedule in the fall. We can talk "could haves" all we want, but that isn't reality. Rather than continue to "what if" what could happen with a hypothetical (meaning it ain't gonna happen) split schedule or some other hypothetical scenario, it would be more beneficial to discuss how Texas, since this is the Texas thread, makes the best use of their somewhat abbreviated spring season. Also Baylor may still get another shot or two at Texas. Already buzz that the two may schedule an OOC match or two in the spring. By the way, why didn't Baylor's transfer play in the fall? I don't think I'm sharing anything confidential by saying JE didn't want the entire conference schedule in the fall, so I don't think there are as many pros as cons. Regarding Baylor vs Texas OOC - why would Texas want to do that? They have nothing to gain and everything to lose. OOC after conference play is difficult to balance. Anderson is graduating in December, but Cal aren't playing in the fall so she's still eligible to compete for Baylor this spring.
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 15, 2020 17:50:08 GMT -5
There's pros and cons to both. I was just pointing out the possible pros to playing a full schedule in the fall. We can talk "could haves" all we want, but that isn't reality. Rather than continue to "what if" what could happen with a hypothetical (meaning it ain't gonna happen) split schedule or some other hypothetical scenario, it would be more beneficial to discuss how Texas, since this is the Texas thread, makes the best use of their somewhat abbreviated spring season. Also Baylor may still get another shot or two at Texas. Already buzz that the two may schedule an OOC match or two in the spring. By the way, why didn't Baylor's transfer play in the fall? I don't think I'm sharing anything confidential by saying JE didn't want the entire conference schedule in the fall, so I don't think there are as many pros as cons. Regarding Baylor vs Texas OOC - why would Texas want to do that? They have nothing to gain and everything to lose. OOC after conference play is difficult to balance. Anderson is graduating in December, but Cal aren't playing in the fall so she's still eligible to compete for Baylor this spring. I'm not surprised that Elliott didn't want the entire conference schedule in the fall. I may have even read that previously. In August when the decisions were being made, there seemed to be a lot of optimism that playing the spring had a better chance of being a "normal" season. Now that may be questionable. For example, would you want to bet right now that the Pac 12 plays a full schedule in the spring? If it turns out that teams have difficulties playing a full schedule in the spring, playing in the fall may turn out to be more beneficial than intially believed. If not, then we probably are at some disadvantage. How much likely depends on what type of spring schedule we have. Why would we want to play Baylor? Right now that may be our best, or only, opportunity to play a Top 10 type team in the spring. Preparation for the tournament would be the reason. Just mentioning there has been some indication that it's at least being considered. I doubt there will be any decision until spring schedules solidify. I'm sure we would prefer to play another top 10 type team, like maybe Kentucky or Florida, but that may not be possible. I think at the moment you have to be open to all options.
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Nov 15, 2020 18:00:31 GMT -5
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Nov 15, 2020 18:00:31 GMT -5
No speculation either. We are 14-0 with only two matches against 1-7 TCU to have an undefeated conference season. Plus we've wrapped up the conference title. So the horse (undefeated conference season) is just about in the barn. So we've gone out and set a fairly high bar for other teams to meet or exceed. There are advantages to that. Beside I agree with the post above that the top 4 seeds will almost certainly come from conference champions. So I feel good that we've already put up a strong case for one of those spots. Another advantage is that other than the postponed matches against TCU, we've been able to play week after week with gives the coaches the ability to judge the progress of the team and players without a number of stops and starts. It remains to be seen if the all spring schools will have that continuity. I'm not knocking anything Texas has achieved so maybe the point would be better illustrated with a different example, like Baylor. They have zero chance at maintaining that #2 ranking. If the B12 had split the season between fall and spring they'd still have had the ugly loss to Kansas but wouldn't have had those two error filled matches against Texas. They'd have had another training block to sort out their issues plus a big time reinforcement in Preslie Anderson arriving from Cal in Jan - Texas are also getting reinforcements who could've benefited from more spring matches. Baylor would have had the spring to make a push for a top 4 seed. That's effectively the position Florida are in now. Hopefully those reinforcements make it to campus when everyone else does. That travel restriction is still in place and with these cases rising it doesn't seem it will be lifted anytime soon. Whatever Oklahoma did with their freshman from France I hope Texas can do the same and get them both here with no problems.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 18:11:05 GMT -5
I don't think I'm sharing anything confidential by saying JE didn't want the entire conference schedule in the fall, so I don't think there are as many pros as cons. Regarding Baylor vs Texas OOC - why would Texas want to do that? They have nothing to gain and everything to lose. OOC after conference play is difficult to balance. Anderson is graduating in December, but Cal aren't playing in the fall so she's still eligible to compete for Baylor this spring. I'm not surprised that Elliott didn't want the entire conference schedule in the fall. I may have even read that previously. In August when the decisions were being made, there seemed to be a lot of optimism that playing the spring had a better chance of being a "normal" season. Now that may be questionable. For example, would you want to bet right now that the Pac 12 plays a full schedule in the spring? If it turns out that teams have difficulties playing a full schedule in the spring, playing in the fall may turn out to be more beneficial than intially believed. If not, then we probably are at some disadvantage. How much likely depends on what type of spring schedule we have. Why would we want to play Baylor? Right now that may be our best, or only, opportunity to play a Top 10 type team in the spring. Preparation for the tournament would be the reason. Just mentioning there has been some indication that it's at least being considered. I doubt there will be any decision until spring schedules solidify. I'm sure we would prefer to play another top 10 type team, like maybe Kentucky or Florida, but that may not be possible. I think at the moment you have to be open to all options. I agree with you Steve, Texas will be open to all options. I also agree with you and horns1 that Texas likely have a top 4 seed locked up. But recency bias does have an impact on the coaches poll and it will be interesting to see if any schools dislodge Texas. Regarding Baylor-Texas OOC, I get the idea of having some prep for the tournament but and since this was your hypothetical - imagine Texas loses. If Texas only played one truly competitive match in the spring and it was an L, that might hurt the prospect of a top 4 seed. Is that risk worth the reward? These are all ifs and maybes but I thought it might be interesting to consider some scenarios.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Nov 15, 2020 18:16:47 GMT -5
Regarding Baylor-Texas OOC, I get the idea of having some prep for the tournament but and since this was your hypothetical - imagine Texas loses. If Texas only played one truly competitive match in the spring and it was an L, that might hurt the prospect of a top 4 seed. Is that risk worth the reward? This is why I had thrown out the idea of a bunch of informal, closed scrimmages between Texas and nearby (bus ride) teams that also had a chance of being invited to the tournament: Rice, A&M, Texas State, Baylor, etc...
Texas has previously held closed scrimmages against friendly teams like LSU in Houston where neither team would publish any details on the outcome of the scrimmages.
Yeah, bummer for fans. But having "warming up" scrimmages with starting lineup against starting lineup seems logical to me. And without a record of what happened or how badly one team did, their record is preserved in the eyes of the selection committee.
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Post by horns1 on Nov 15, 2020 18:49:43 GMT -5
Obviously, not all wins/losses are created equally. But, win/loss record will probably be the starting point for coaches voting in the poll, and the NCAA committee seeding teams.
As far as mixing in some "speculation", here are my opinions (assuming Texas wins its remaining two matches against TCU):
- Texas starts the Spring with a 16 win "lead" in the W/L column on the teams from the PAC 12 and B1G; Kentucky has an 8 game lead - Those two teams will remain at the top of the subjective coaches' poll for quite a while (if they suffer no additional losses) - The PAC 12 and B1G teams will probably need to get to double-digit wins with no losses before surpassing either UT or UK in the coaches' poll - A first loss suffered by the PAC 12 and B1G teams will keep them out of the Top 5; we know how the poll works from week to week -- lose, and you drop - A second loss suffered by the PAC 12 and B1G teams keeps them marginal Top 10 (depending on how many 2-loss teams there are) - Total number of losses will matter; so, losing hurts your position - Passing the "eye test" will matter; so, win or lose, you better look good doing it as you'll be compared to how other teams "look"
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 15, 2020 18:56:22 GMT -5
I'm not surprised that Elliott didn't want the entire conference schedule in the fall. I may have even read that previously. In August when the decisions were being made, there seemed to be a lot of optimism that playing the spring had a better chance of being a "normal" season. Now that may be questionable. For example, would you want to bet right now that the Pac 12 plays a full schedule in the spring? If it turns out that teams have difficulties playing a full schedule in the spring, playing in the fall may turn out to be more beneficial than intially believed. If not, then we probably are at some disadvantage. How much likely depends on what type of spring schedule we have. Why would we want to play Baylor? Right now that may be our best, or only, opportunity to play a Top 10 type team in the spring. Preparation for the tournament would be the reason. Just mentioning there has been some indication that it's at least being considered. I doubt there will be any decision until spring schedules solidify. I'm sure we would prefer to play another top 10 type team, like maybe Kentucky or Florida, but that may not be possible. I think at the moment you have to be open to all options. I agree with you Steve, Texas will be open to all options. I also agree with you and horns1 that Texas likely have a top 4 seed locked up. But recency bias does have an impact on the coaches poll and it will be interesting to see if any schools dislodge Texas. Regarding Baylor-Texas OOC, I get the idea of having some prep for the tournament but and since this was your hypothetical - imagine Texas loses. If Texas only played one truly competitive match in the spring and it was an L, that might hurt the prospect of a top 4 seed. Is that risk worth the reward? These are all ifs and maybes but I thought it might be interesting to consider some scenarios. I would say we more likely have a top 4 seed wrapped up than we do a top 4 finish in the coaches poll. The difference is that I tend to agree with the premise that the selection committee will pick conference champions as the top four seeds due to lack of OOC scheduling. On the Baylor OOC hypothetical, there is always the risk of a loss when you schedule tough. Also I tend to think that a loss to Baylor on the road (I don't think Baylor would want to come to Austin again) wouldn't have much impact come seed time as long as it was a close loss. Now a blowout similar to ours at Austin last season might be different. However I also don't see that happening. I think the two victories when the conference title was on the line would get more consideration than a tune-up OOC game with no title on the line. Also I would rather take some degree of risk that way than risk having a team not playing a top 10 type team for six months come tournament time.
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 15, 2020 19:02:04 GMT -5
I'm not knocking anything Texas has achieved so maybe the point would be better illustrated with a different example, like Baylor. They have zero chance at maintaining that #2 ranking. If the B12 had split the season between fall and spring they'd still have had the ugly loss to Kansas but wouldn't have had those two error filled matches against Texas. They'd have had another training block to sort out their issues plus a big time reinforcement in Preslie Anderson arriving from Cal in Jan - Texas are also getting reinforcements who could've benefited from more spring matches. Baylor would have had the spring to make a push for a top 4 seed. That's effectively the position Florida are in now. Hopefully those reinforcements make it to campus when everyone else does. That travel restriction is still in place and with these cases rising it doesn't seem it will be lifted anytime soon. Whatever Oklahoma did with their freshman from France I hope Texas can do the same and get them both here with no problems. Do you know the source of the travel restrictions, UT, home countries, state of Texas, etc.?
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Post by hornfanaustin on Nov 16, 2020 21:15:32 GMT -5
Hilarious for all of us frustrated with the tipping:
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Nov 16, 2020 21:55:19 GMT -5
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Post by dodger on Nov 16, 2020 21:55:19 GMT -5
Hopefully those reinforcements make it to campus when everyone else does. That travel restriction is still in place and with these cases rising it doesn't seem it will be lifted anytime soon. Whatever Oklahoma did with their freshman from France I hope Texas can do the same and get them both here with no problems. Do you know the source of the travel restrictions, UT, home countries, state of Texas, etc.? Curious: why are we “concerned” about reinforcements by january in time for spring for texas and baylor?
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 16, 2020 22:18:27 GMT -5
Do you know the source of the travel restrictions, UT, home countries, state of Texas, etc.? Curious: why are we “concerned” about reinforcements by january in time for spring for texas and baylor? For Texas, it is at minimum depth on the front line. Don't know if you knew, but Texas played the whole fall without a single back-up on the front line. If a front line player had been unable to play, Ashley Shook would have replaced them. What we were missing is three front line players in the 2020 class. One was Madison Williams who was with the team, but had suffered an ACL injury in her senior high school season. She was held out in the fall so that she would be 100% in the spring. The other two were international recruits that were unable to travel to the campus due to COVID travel restrictions. Of course, all three are high caliber players and expected to push for starting positions. Not sure on Baylor. From conversations, they are getting a graduate transfer MB which I'm assuming they think will start.
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Nov 16, 2020 22:57:39 GMT -5
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Post by dodger on Nov 16, 2020 22:57:39 GMT -5
By NCAA rule you had to be in school fall semester to play in the spring: which means none of these incoming players for spring will be eligible for competition: which is why i was curious
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Nov 16, 2020 23:35:19 GMT -5
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Post by sunsuphornsup on Nov 16, 2020 23:35:19 GMT -5
By NCAA rule you had to be in school fall semester to play in the spring: which means none of these incoming players for spring will be eligible for competition: which is why i was curious They’ve modified this
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Post by dodger on Nov 17, 2020 0:13:12 GMT -5
Modified?? When: where? Link me please
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Post by dodger on Nov 17, 2020 0:20:09 GMT -5
You mean the part about Freshman enrolling in spring: there was an amendment: it reads “you must have graduated spring of 2020 and signed LOI or scholarship with intent to play in fall of 2020. Transfers are excluded from this amendment!
So do texas or baylor have 2020 grads who signed with expectation to be here fall 2020 but never attended in fall but will in hopeful probability be here in spring?
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