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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 20:23:32 GMT -5
Ok you are smarter than all of us, we just fell off the turnip truck last night i guess. Go beat something else into the ground for a while That's an awfully insecure reaction. zero-rotation outside hitter was talking about Rollins. He was right. We discussed her. @ruffda wanted to talk about McGraw. He told me what he sees. I explained what I see... And that conversation about volleyball made you feel stupid? I'm not sure the internet is a safe place for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 20:28:03 GMT -5
Man, Rollins was good in this match. I changed my mind and I am watching the match and I totally disagree with you, bwf. Yes, it's more apparent when she's passing in zone 1, but she's also passing more in zone 6. I don't understand how you can say "sure, she passes the seams" and that doesn't mean she isn't passing 1/2 the court. She passes 3/6, the other backrow passer 1/3 and the outside hitter 1/6. I'll meet you halfway and call it 11/24, 9/24 (or 1/3) and 1/6 (or 5/24) if you want.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 20:30:37 GMT -5
Ok you are smarter than all of us, we just fell off the turnip truck last night i guess. Go beat something else into the ground for a while That's an awfully insecure reaction. zero-rotation outside hitter was talking about Rollins. He was right. We discussed her. @ruffda wanted to talk about McGraw. He told me what he sees. I explained what I see... And that conversation about volleyball made you feel stupid? I'm not sure the internet is a safe place for you. This isn't true, bwf. I wanted to talk about Minnesota's passing stats as a whole. My real point is that Rollins had a higher passing % with less responsibility. Yes, she passed more balls, but she was targeted more. The "1/2 the court" thing isn't really all that important to me. You agree she had a bigger responsibility (as most liberos would)? The numbers do not tell the whole story. They really don't. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 20:46:33 GMT -5
I don't understand how you can say "sure, she passes the seams" and that doesn't mean she isn't passing 1/2 the court. I think you're right and this is the issue. When CC is in zones 5 & 6 she's passing a third of the floor. The 'seam' is the area between two passers which servers try and hit because it leads to miscommunication. Obviously it's scheme dependant (currently we run left-right seams, in the USA gym they use short-deep seams) but assuming it's left-right, the best passer SHOULD be taking both seams. If you have two strong passers and one weak one, you'll pinch the weaker passer and the other two players will take a seam each. If you have three strong passers, they'll decide who takes which seam before the play. Remember this can change during a match. It's always relative to which players are on the floor and just because we coach something doesn't necessarily mean it happens, but that's what is happening. McGraw is passing half in zone 1 (rotations 3 & 6). The rest of the time she's simply covering both seams (wish us what you'd expect). And, again, I'm not hating on her. Watch the match. McGraw is a serving target and passes a 1.88. I didn't bring her up here - you did. I'm just explaining what I am seeing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 20:51:50 GMT -5
I'm not arguing about CC's stats (nor do I think you are hating on her). They are what they are. I am not even arguing that she didn't struggle at the beginning of the season and when she came back. All I'm arguing is that the stats don't take into account her passing responsibility. Rollins and Kilkelly didn't have nearly as much (witness what happened when CC was out). Hart obviously didn't.
Again, I don't have blinders on about Minnesota's weaknesses. I hope it's better in 2020.
But I will say they were pretty damned good in this match and against Louisville. I wish they'd had Miller the whole season. (And they were not very good against Stanford, but neither was Wisconsin.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 20:52:22 GMT -5
That's an awfully insecure reaction. zero-rotation outside hitter was talking about Rollins. He was right. We discussed her. @ruffda wanted to talk about McGraw. He told me what he sees. I explained what I see... And that conversation about volleyball made you feel stupid? I'm not sure the internet is a safe place for you. This isn't true, bwf. I wanted to talk about Minnesota's passing stats as a whole. My real point is that Rollins had a higher passing % with less responsibility. Yes, she passed more balls, but she was targeted more. The "1/2 the court" thing isn't really all that important to me. You agree she had a bigger responsibility (as most liberos would)? The numbers do not tell the whole story. They really don't. Oh... Maybe that's the misunderstanding then. Rollins didn't have a higher passing grade this year than McGraw. Rollins passed a 1.89 on the season. McGraw passed a 1.98. McGraw certainly has more responsibility (as Barnes did in 2018) but they really do function as a unit. CC is in a really tough spot tbh. Everyone passed worse this year, she lost her partner back there when Barnes left & Kilkelly was just ok. McGraw did well in Colorado & I'm hopeful she'll be back over 2.0 in her Jnr season. I still maintain I want my AA Liberos passing at least 2.3, but maybe that's just me! I'm excited to see what the Fr bring. If UMN can get to a team passing grade of ~2.1 they'll have a good shot at the championship. |
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Mar 15, 2020 21:21:51 GMT -5
McGraw and Kilkelly will pass. Whoever else helps is the question.
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Post by B1Gminnesotafan on Mar 16, 2020 13:00:54 GMT -5
Well, we knew it was coming.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 8:29:01 GMT -5
If you don’t already have a keyboard shortcut for “again, I’m not hating on her” you probably should. It would save you a %*$#load of typing.
It’s like when someone says, “I’m not trying to offend but....” you know their entire goal is to offend.
“I don’t hate CC BUT...”
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Post by travelingsoulz on Mar 19, 2020 9:57:51 GMT -5
Regarding Crowl-
excited to add her as she seems like a great teammate and hard worker. Last summer a coach of hers mentioned the U was her dream school, and was willing to walk-on. Realizes it might be a place that would be tough to find playing time, so looked at places like San Diego and Colorado. I believe after her teammate Erin Lamb was offered 2 years and turned it down for a full ride to UK, it opened up 2 years for Crowl so she took it. Glad she is coming in as someone who is there because they want to be a part of the program and are fine contributing in other ways!
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Post by gogophers on Mar 19, 2020 12:42:12 GMT -5
If you don’t already have a keyboard shortcut for “again, I’m not hating on her” you probably should. It would save you a %*$#load of typing. It’s like when someone says, “I’m not trying to offend but....” you know their entire goal is to offend. “I don’t hate CC BUT...” You're not being fair. BTF2 says that because he knows that other posters will perceive him as attacking CC and will attack him in return. Operative word: perceive. When it comes to defending CC, however, her many fans are passing a 2.6. No amount of disclaimers will ward off their kills. The passing stats are interesting, but I am curious as to why btf2 figures the big-10 coaches voted her All-Big 10 first team. Don't they have access to the same data points that he cites? I assume the big 10 coaches are not beholden to Minn or Hugh, don't think that there is lack of deserving players for whom they could vote as an alternative, and, having seen her in action for 2 years, aren't swayed by her pre-college accolades. Passing isn't everything that a libero brings to the table. But it's certainly a lot. I'm not trying to argue with btf2. I'm genuinely curious. If she is one of the conference's worst passers, as the premise holds, how is it that the experts who know her best voted her to be one of the very best in the conference? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 13:26:35 GMT -5
If you don’t already have a keyboard shortcut for “again, I’m not hating on her” you probably should. It would save you a %*$#load of typing. It’s like when someone says, “I’m not trying to offend but....” you know their entire goal is to offend. “I don’t hate CC BUT...” You're not being fair. BTF2 says that because he knows that other posters will perceive him as attacking CC and will attack him in return. Operative word: perceive. When it comes to defending CC, however, her many fans are passing a 2.6. No amount of disclaimers will ward off their kills. The passing stats are interesting, but I am curious as to why btf2 figures the big-10 coaches voted her All-Big 10 first team. Don't they have access to the same data points that he cites? I assume the big 10 coaches are not beholden to Minn or Hugh, don't think that there is lack of deserving players for whom they could vote as an alternative, and, having seen her in action for 2 years, aren't swayed by her pre-college accolades. Passing isn't everything that a libero brings to the table. But it's certainly a lot. I'm not trying to argue with btf2. I'm genuinely curious. If she is one of the conference's worst passers, as the premise holds, how is it that the experts who know her best voted her to be one of the very best in the conference? No, he posts the disclaimer for the same reason everyone disclaims something similar. I am not trying to be “fair” and I don’t even know what that means in this scenario. I’m saying any time you lead with “I’m not trying to be a dick, but...” you’re just trying to be a dick. If every post starts with “again I don’t hate her but...” I think maybe doth protest too much. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 15:19:26 GMT -5
You're not being fair. BTF2 says that because he knows that other posters will perceive him as attacking CC and will attack him in return. Operative word: perceive. When it comes to defending CC, however, her many fans are passing a 2.6. No amount of disclaimers will ward off their kills. The passing stats are interesting, but I am curious as to why btf2 figures the big-10 coaches voted her All-Big 10 first team. Don't they have access to the same data points that he cites? I assume the big 10 coaches are not beholden to Minn or Hugh, don't think that there is lack of deserving players for whom they could vote as an alternative, and, having seen her in action for 2 years, aren't swayed by her pre-college accolades. Passing isn't everything that a libero brings to the table. But it's certainly a lot. I'm not trying to argue with btf2. I'm genuinely curious. If she is one of the conference's worst passers, as the premise holds, how is it that the experts who know her best voted her to be one of the very best in the conference? No, he posts the disclaimer for the same reason everyone disclaims something similar. I am not trying to be “fair” and I don’t even know what that means in this scenario. I’m saying any time you lead with “I’m not trying to be a dick, but...” you’re just trying to be a dick. If every post starts with “again I don’t hate her but...” I think maybe doth protest too much. I make the disclaimer because some people are WAY to emotionally invested in the players to not get upset about the data. Passing a 1.98 on the year is the equivalent of an outside hitting ~0.150 on a season. 1.98 is the number. Just like 2.19 was her number in 2018. I haven't manipulated 1.98. It's not subjective. It is her passing grade. It ranked 12th out of 14 Liberos in the conference (iirc). I get that you want to make it about me, but it's not. Sorry. With regards to the recent conversation, it's worth noting, I didn't bring up McGraw. I was discussing the unit as a whole and someone else brought her into it. I also wouldn't be stating this all again now if you didn't CONTINUE to cry about it. Again, the data is the data. I'm sorry it upsets you (truly) and it's why I make disclaimers. Other fans want to discuss the team & where it can improve. Part of that is understanding the data. You don't like that, which is fine, but it doesn't change what happened. I hope this post wasn't too emotionally traumatic for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 15:24:41 GMT -5
For anyone else that'd like to talk about the 2020 Gophers, something I haven't seen mentioned is how aggressive Shaffmaster is as a setter. Her ability to joust and her timing on dumps are done of the best I've seen in an athlete her age. Not only will that benefit the offense in general, it'd also help mitigate any passes which end up too close to the net or would potentially be overpasses for another setter.
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Post by mplssetter on Mar 19, 2020 15:26:54 GMT -5
So I know that the spring scrimmages have been cancelled, is it safe to assume they aren’t practicing either?
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