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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 15:28:38 GMT -5
So I know that the spring scrimmages have been cancelled, is it safe to assume they aren’t practicing either? Would be a little surprised if they're all still on campus |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 15:28:50 GMT -5
So I know that the spring scrimmages have been cancelled, is it safe to assume they aren’t practicing either? Correct. Everything is in stasis currently. |
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Post by mpsend on Mar 19, 2020 17:22:56 GMT -5
For anyone else that'd like to talk about the 2020 Gophers, something I haven't seen mentioned is how aggressive Shaffmaster is as a setter. Her ability to joust and her timing on dumps are done of the best I've seen in an athlete her age. Not only will that benefit the offense in general, it'd also help mitigate any passes which end up too close to the net or would potentially be overpasses for another setter. I haven't seen a lot of video of her playing, but it did appear she is left-handed in some of the promotional videos the Gophers posted on signing day. Does she turn and hit much? Or more tips/dumps? I am excited to see what she brings to the Gopher offense. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 18:40:24 GMT -5
For anyone else that'd like to talk about the 2020 Gophers, something I haven't seen mentioned is how aggressive Shaffmaster is as a setter. Her ability to joust and her timing on dumps are done of the best I've seen in an athlete her age. Not only will that benefit the offense in general, it'd also help mitigate any passes which end up too close to the net or would potentially be overpasses for another setter. I haven't seen a lot of video of her playing, but it did appear she is left-handed in some of the promotional videos the Gophers posted on signing day. Does she turn and hit much? Or more tips/dumps? I am excited to see what she brings to the Gopher offense. She's right handed. She's aggressive with her dumps and disguises them well. They'll put pressure on defenses and cause back row players to get sucked in. It's one of the strongest elements of her game. |
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Post by snickers on Mar 20, 2020 6:20:13 GMT -5
No, he posts the disclaimer for the same reason everyone disclaims something similar. I am not trying to be “fair” and I don’t even know what that means in this scenario. I’m saying any time you lead with “I’m not trying to be a dick, but...” you’re just trying to be a dick. If every post starts with “again I don’t hate her but...” I think maybe doth protest too much. I make the disclaimer because some people are WAY to emotionally invested in the players to not get upset about the data. Passing a 1.98 on the year is the equivalent of an outside hitting ~0.150 on a season. 1.98 is the number. Just like 2.19 was her number in 2018. I haven't manipulated 1.98. It's not subjective. It is her passing grade. It ranked 12th out of 14 Liberos in the conference (iirc). I get that you want to make it about me, but it's not. Sorry. With regards to the recent conversation, it's worth noting, I didn't bring up McGraw. I was discussing the unit as a whole and someone else brought her into it. I also wouldn't be stating this all again now if you didn't CONTINUE to cry about it. Again, the data is the data. I'm sorry it upsets you (truly) and it's why I make disclaimers. Other fans want to discuss the team & where it can improve. Part of that is understanding the data. You don't like that, which is fine, but it doesn't change what happened. I hope this post wasn't too emotionally traumatic for you. A couple of questions for you: 1. Are passing stats self-reported by each team? 2. Do all teams in the conference follow the same guidelines for passing stats, e.g., criteria for a "3" pass are the same for each team. 3. Do they break down the stats by rotation, e.g., player A passes a 2.5 when in zone 5, and passes a 2.0 when in zone 2? Thank you! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 7:24:39 GMT -5
You're not being fair. BTF2 says that because he knows that other posters will perceive him as attacking CC and will attack him in return. Operative word: perceive. When it comes to defending CC, however, her many fans are passing a 2.6. No amount of disclaimers will ward off their kills. The passing stats are interesting, but I am curious as to why btf2 figures the big-10 coaches voted her All-Big 10 first team. Don't they have access to the same data points that he cites? I assume the big 10 coaches are not beholden to Minn or Hugh, don't think that there is lack of deserving players for whom they could vote as an alternative, and, having seen her in action for 2 years, aren't swayed by her pre-college accolades. Passing isn't everything that a libero brings to the table. But it's certainly a lot. I'm not trying to argue with btf2. I'm genuinely curious. If she is one of the conference's worst passers, as the premise holds, how is it that the experts who know her best voted her to be one of the very best in the conference? No, he posts the disclaimer for the same reason everyone disclaims something similar. I am not trying to be “fair” and I don’t even know what that means in this scenario. I’m saying any time you lead with “I’m not trying to be a dick, but...” you’re just trying to be a dick. If every post starts with “again I don’t hate her but...” I think maybe doth protest too much. Not the least bit patronizing is he? But so overloaded with rationality it squirts out of his ears  I am hoping he puts a PayPal button on his posts so we can properly remunerate him for all the edification he so generously provides us Gopher fans  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 11:51:48 GMT -5
I make the disclaimer because some people are WAY to emotionally invested in the players to not get upset about the data. Passing a 1.98 on the year is the equivalent of an outside hitting ~0.150 on a season. 1.98 is the number. Just like 2.19 was her number in 2018. I haven't manipulated 1.98. It's not subjective. It is her passing grade. It ranked 12th out of 14 Liberos in the conference (iirc). I get that you want to make it about me, but it's not. Sorry. With regards to the recent conversation, it's worth noting, I didn't bring up McGraw. I was discussing the unit as a whole and someone else brought her into it. I also wouldn't be stating this all again now if you didn't CONTINUE to cry about it. Again, the data is the data. I'm sorry it upsets you (truly) and it's why I make disclaimers. Other fans want to discuss the team & where it can improve. Part of that is understanding the data. You don't like that, which is fine, but it doesn't change what happened. I hope this post wasn't too emotionally traumatic for you. A couple of questions for you: 1. Are passing stats self-reported by each team? 2. Do all teams in the conference follow the same guidelines for passing stats, e.g., criteria for a "3" pass are the same for each team. 3. Do they break down the stats by rotation, e.g., player A passes a 2.5 when in zone 5, and passes a 2.0 when in zone 2? Thank you! 1. No. 2. There are analytics services used by most D1 programs which independently grade touches & allow us to analyze players in combination with game footage. Our program uses volleymetrics. So all grading is done by the same team. 3. No, the grade is composite. But the game film is coded so you can watch, say, all passes by one player in a match, in less than a minute. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 12:00:12 GMT -5
No, he posts the disclaimer for the same reason everyone disclaims something similar. I am not trying to be “fair” and I don’t even know what that means in this scenario. I’m saying any time you lead with “I’m not trying to be a dick, but...” you’re just trying to be a dick. If every post starts with “again I don’t hate her but...” I think maybe doth protest too much. Not the least bit patronizing is he? But so overloaded with rationality it squirts out of his ears I am hoping he puts a PayPal button on his posts so we can properly remunerate him for all the edification he so generously provides us Gopher fans As I've said in the past, fans only get upset with me when they don't like the data. Lots of fans like knowing more about their team. Some don't. For every fan that has his feelings hurt, I'll get a DM from someone asking something specific or appreciating the data. So it's all good, save your money. 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 12:26:54 GMT -5
Not the least bit patronizing is he? But so overloaded with rationality it squirts out of his ears I am hoping he puts a PayPal button on his posts so we can properly remunerate him for all the edification he so generously provides us Gopher fans As I've said in the past, fans only get upset with me when they don't like the data. Lots of fans like knowing more about their team. Some don't. For every fan that has his feelings hurt, I'll get a DM from someone asking something specific or appreciating the data. So it's all good, save your money. 👍 Do you really think it's all about fans having their feelings hurt because they are so attached to their players they can't deal with the truth? Go ahead and keep telling yourself that. You are tone deaf and it's really obnoxious. Someone has to mention it and iI wish it wasn't me, but somebody needs to do it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 12:41:47 GMT -5
As I've said in the past, fans only get upset with me when they don't like the data. Lots of fans like knowing more about their team. Some don't. For every fan that has his feelings hurt, I'll get a DM from someone asking something specific or appreciating the data. So it's all good, save your money. 👍 Do you really think it's all about fans having their feelings hurt because they are so attached to their players they can't deal with the truth? Go ahead and keep telling yourself that. You are tone deaf and it's really obnoxious. Someone has to mention it and iI wish it wasn't me, but somebody needs to do it. Yeah, the whole “don’t like data” thing doesn’t fly with me. Data is quite literally my life. I appreciate it a ton. It’s all the crap surrounding your data (along with the way it’s delivered) that people speak up about... but you can’t see that and it’s a bit unfortunate. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 12:42:18 GMT -5
As I've said in the past, fans only get upset with me when they don't like the data. Lots of fans like knowing more about their team. Some don't. For every fan that has his feelings hurt, I'll get a DM from someone asking something specific or appreciating the data. So it's all good, save your money. 👍 Do you really think it's all about fans having their feelings hurt because they are so attached to their players they can't deal with the truth? Go ahead and keep telling yourself that. You are tone deaf and it's really obnoxious. Someone has to mention it and iI wish it wasn't me, but somebody needs to do it. Tone deaf you your feelings about UMN volleyball? Haha, trust me, I feel really bad for you that you care this much. As I said, I was actually talking about Rollins, someone else mentioned McGraw. You really need to be less fragile. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 12:48:10 GMT -5
Do you really think it's all about fans having their feelings hurt because they are so attached to their players they can't deal with the truth? Go ahead and keep telling yourself that. You are tone deaf and it's really obnoxious. Someone has to mention it and iI wish it wasn't me, but somebody needs to do it. Tone deaf you your feelings about UMN volleyball? Haha, trust me, I feel really bad for you that you care this much. As I said, I was actually talking about Rollins, someone else mentioned McGraw. You really need to be less fragile. Who are you to tell me I need to be less fragile? You have no idea how much I care or don't care. Haha, trust me, you don't feel bad for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 12:49:36 GMT -5
Do you really think it's all about fans having their feelings hurt because they are so attached to their players they can't deal with the truth? Go ahead and keep telling yourself that. You are tone deaf and it's really obnoxious. Someone has to mention it and iI wish it wasn't me, but somebody needs to do it. Yeah, the whole “don’t like data” thing doesn’t fly with me. Data is quite literally my life. I appreciate it a ton. It’s all the crap surrounding your data (along with the way it’s delivered) that people speak up about... but you can’t see that and it’s a bit unfortunate. "Your data"... It isn't MY data. That's your issue here. It's a statistical representation of performance. I'm not making stuff up! And, again, if I was quoting blocking numbers (UMN were good) I guarantee you'd be thanking me for it. NO ONE was discussing the fact that the team passing grade was so low (because that data isn't widely available) so I shared it because it's objectively interesting - that a team can pass 1.93 on a season and end up in the FF. I doubt that's ever happened before. It's pretty incredible if you think about it. Now you're crying because, in the process, I pointed out the grades of individual players that made up that team grade. Again, I get it. You aren't the first to hate that I share this stuff. But at least it's factually accurate, which is why you have to get mad at me or assume I have some kind of anti-UMN thing going on. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 12:52:13 GMT -5
If you're questioning Rollins' place in the line up, you're not aware of the ball control numbers. Over the last two seasons she has passed 1,321 balls. The next closest to her has passed 982! She also the only pin on the roster who has passed better than a 2.0 over a season (in 2018). Obviously if Landfair and/or Weenas show they can pass reliably, they'd be likely to take that spot (I'm sure you know Rollins wasn't very terminal this year - 31%). But she played this year because SOMEONE needs to pass the ball... Just for the record, this was the post I was responding to when I "brought up McGraw." If you are claiming McGraw was not brought up in your post, you are being disingenuous. No, you did not mention her name, but tell me who else has been passing for the Gophers for two seasons? I repeat: I don't give a hoot if you like her or not (as a volleyball player). I will be the first to admit she can be much better than she has been. She would probably agree. My point only had to do with you comparing Rollins stats to hers and how I thought the stats did not tell the whole story. Period. So please leave me out of this discussion about hurt feelings or bringing up CC. YOU brought her up. Which is fine. Just don't pretend you didn't and say it was me. Now if that 982 number was an OH and you are ONLY referring to OHs, that is not clear. Nor do I know what other OH could have passed 982 balls. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 12:52:47 GMT -5
Tone deaf you your feelings about UMN volleyball? Haha, trust me, I feel really bad for you that you care this much. As I said, I was actually talking about Rollins, someone else mentioned McGraw. You really need to be less fragile. Who are you to tell me I need to be less fragile? You have no idea how much I care or don't care. Haha, trust me, you don't feel bad for me. Tone deaf means someone is being insensitive. We're talking about volleyball on a volleyball forum. I'm not discussing my favorite cigarette at a lung cancer support group. It's literally the purpose of this board. If you don't like the facts, you don't have to read them (the ignore feature is easy to find). But there's nothing tone deaf about sharing the passing stats of players. |
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