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Post by trojansc on Jul 1, 2020 23:17:10 GMT -5
California, Penn St., Florida, and (at) UCF rumored to be on Week 1. That will be a fun tournament -- hope it sticks!
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Post by ntylynbby on Jul 2, 2020 7:37:30 GMT -5
California, Penn St., Florida, and (at) UCF rumored to be on Week 1. That will be a fun tournament -- hope it sticks! with Cal not traveling doesn’t look likely.
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Post by postitagain2 on Jul 9, 2020 13:40:49 GMT -5
Right now I think it’s safe to say scheduling is a fluid issue. So how do you stabilize it? If at all humanly possible, I just want a season. Cut a third off if you need to. Go to 20 matches vs 30. Go to one conference match between each team. Fill in with the best regional OOC teams you can line up. Reduce conference tournaments to four teams. Let the NCAA do what it needs to to reduce costs so we can have an NCAA Championship with 64 teams. Don’t worry about the dialog, “We were an Elite Eight team that had to play a final four team in the second round from our conference.”
The goal should be to have a season for these kids and to crown a champion. Everything else has to be on the chopping block if need be. To do that, we all have to buy in to the Top priorities for this year. Hopefully things can get back to normal in 2021. Just find a way to play.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 9, 2020 13:50:38 GMT -5
Right now I think it’s safe to say scheduling is a fluid issue. So how do you stabilize it? If at all humanly possible, I just want a season. Cut a third off if you need to. Go to 20 matches vs 30. Go to one conference match between each team. Fill in with the best regional OOC teams you can line up. Reduce conference tournaments to four teams. Let the NCAA do what it needs to to reduce costs so we can have an NCAA Championship with 64 teams. Don’t worry about the dialog, “We were an Elite Eight team that had to play a final four team in the second round from our conference.” The goal should be to have a season for these kids and to crown a champion. Everything else has to be on the chopping block if need be. To do that, we all have to buy in to the Top priorities for this year. Hopefully things can get back to normal in 2021. Just find a way to play. This sums up my current position - I could settle for a 48 team tournament (those last 16 at-large teams weren't likely to win the NC).
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Post by silverchloride on Jul 9, 2020 15:18:15 GMT -5
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Post by vballfreak808 on Jul 13, 2020 15:01:55 GMT -5
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jul 16, 2020 19:04:45 GMT -5
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Post by DustyDude87 on Jul 18, 2020 11:09:24 GMT -5
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 18, 2020 15:17:21 GMT -5
Right now I think it’s safe to say scheduling is a fluid issue. So how do you stabilize it? If at all humanly possible, I just want a season. Cut a third off if you need to. Go to 20 matches vs 30. Go to one conference match between each team. Fill in with the best regional OOC teams you can line up. Reduce conference tournaments to four teams. Let the NCAA do what it needs to to reduce costs so we can have an NCAA Championship with 64 teams. Don’t worry about the dialog, “We were an Elite Eight team that had to play a final four team in the second round from our conference.” The goal should be to have a season for these kids and to crown a champion. Everything else has to be on the chopping block if need be. To do that, we all have to buy in to the Top priorities for this year. Hopefully things can get back to normal in 2021. Just find a way to play. This sums up my current position - I could settle for a 48 team tournament (those last 16 at-large teams weren't likely to win the NC). Actually, that doesn't work at all. You are confusing the 16 lowest RPI teams with the last 16 at-large teams. There are 32 automatic bids, so a 48 team tournament leaves just 16 bids across all conferences for at-large teams. There were 22 at-large teams last year just from the P5. A tournament that excludes automatic-bid conference champions is a non-starter. 48 teams is already excluding a minimum of 6 P5 at-large bids, and that is assuming no other conference gets 2 bids (I'm looking at you, BYU and USD, you, Creighton and Marquette, and you, Hawaii, Cal Poly, Santa Barbara and LBSU). With a shortened, conference only season, why wouldn't you go the other way and have a 128 team (or even a 256 team) draw to make sure no-one worthy is excluded due to a whacky RPI? That adds a whopping one weekend to the tournament, which is more than offset by no preseason. Does anybody really want to see Bakersfield play Wisconsin? Yes, Bakersfield does! That is the 1 vs 256 matchup from last year. That would never happen because of regional travel, but Bucknell or Toledo could definitely go to Wisconsin and would love the experience. Would that first weekend be a waste of time for Wisconsin? Who cares! Spend a weekend to grow the sport.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Jul 18, 2020 15:27:10 GMT -5
After Emmert's statement a couple/few days ago, any tongue-wagging re: "best" potential scenarios may just end up moot. Afa I am concerned, IF there is FB, have conference-only VB.
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Post by trojansc on Jul 18, 2020 15:38:26 GMT -5
This sums up my current position - I could settle for a 48 team tournament (those last 16 at-large teams weren't likely to win the NC). With a shortened, conference only season, why wouldn't you go the other way and have a 128 team (or even a 256 team) draw to make sure no-one worthy is excluded due to a whacky RPI? That adds a whopping one weekend to the tournament, which is more than offset by no preseason. RPI will not be used in conference only scenarios. That's not debatable. I agree with you that the most fair way would be to have an extremely large tournament, but, how are you going to determine who gets in without any non-conference play? Just give all 32 conferences 4-bids each? Could we really imagine Four America East teams, four MEAC, four SWAC, four NEC? I think the best case scenario for volleyball is that football gets moved to Spring and volleyball follows along with it. Second best scenario is they go conference only, even if that happens as well in the Spring.
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Post by shark on Jul 18, 2020 18:50:04 GMT -5
Just take a historical snapshot of teams in the NCAA tournament. What have conferences averaged over the last 4 years? If Pac 12 and Big Ten average 7 or 8 then they get that many teams in this year. There will be no RPI so that will not factor in and I don't think we can give conferences equal footing in the tournament, some conferences have teams in the tournament that are only there as an automatic qualifier - not because of their volleyball ability.
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Post by jaypak on Jul 19, 2020 10:33:52 GMT -5
Interesting...Northern Iowa plays Illinois in two different tournaments...have never seen that before! Northern Iowa also played Creighton in two different tournaments in 2018, splitting the series. Must be a Panther thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 13:54:08 GMT -5
Had preseason happened Long Beach had arranged to play one of the Pac-12 teams twice as well. There will be a lot of abnormalities this year.
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Post by trojansc on Jul 19, 2020 15:12:35 GMT -5
Had preseason happened Long Beach had arranged to play one of the Pac-12 teams twice as well. There will be a lot of abnormalities this year. Playing the same team twice in preseason is not nearly as abnormal as people make it out to be. Sometimes it’s intentionally scheduled and other times two teams just happen to be invited to the two separate tournaments and they don’t mind playing each other.
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