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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 10:24:52 GMT -5
This is slightly disturbing. My guess - at the extreme - maybe it becomes customary for fans of sporting events to have their temp taken prior to entering, much like bags and such being checked post 9/11. Players, coaches, and team members may have more monitoring and the days of playing with a slight fever may be gone. Not sure where the technology is on mass body temps for something like a football game or concert? A nice idea but functionally pointless for this virus. The whole reason it's spread so widely is because a carrier will typically be asymptomatic for up to 5 days while they shed the virus. I know it's spilt milk and all that but it's frustrating to know that we could have controlled this more effectively if we'd been better prepared. Yesterday South Korea (a country whose self reporting you can actually trust) announced just 78 new cases over the past 24 hours, down from their peak of 909 on February 29th. They've had about 10,000 total cases in their population of 50 million. Meanwhile we're up to 160,000+ cases as of this morning, among our population of 330 million and still, it seems, several weeks away from a peak. That difference is down to the first month and the testing debacle.
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Post by trojansc on Mar 31, 2020 11:57:27 GMT -5
My guess - at the extreme - maybe it becomes customary for fans of sporting events to have their temp taken prior to entering, much like bags and such being checked post 9/11. Players, coaches, and team members may have more monitoring and the days of playing with a slight fever may be gone. Not sure where the technology is on mass body temps for something like a football game or concert? A nice idea but functionally pointless for this virus. The whole reason it's spread so widely is because a carrier will typically be asymptomatic for up to 5 days while they shed the virus. I know it's spilt milk and all that but it's frustrating to know that we could have controlled this more effectively if we'd been better prepared. Yesterday South Korea (a country whose self reporting you can actually trust) announced just 78 new cases over the past 24 hours, down from their peak of 909 on February 29th. They've had about 10,000 total cases in their population of 50 million. Meanwhile we're up to 160,000+ cases as of this morning, among our population of 330 million and still, it seems, several weeks away from a peak. That difference is down to the first month and the testing debacle. I was in Africa recently and had my temperature taken at every point of entry to each country I was in. One small country held a woman in the airport quarantined and confirmed she had the virus. They also forced people to use hand sanitizer much more. On my return to USA, the CDC asked me how long I was in Europe for. I said I was only in the airport. The line was so long they bypassed me, didn’t even ask if I had symptoms, and let me pass. Didn’t take my temperature or anything. Didn’t see any hand sanitizer anywhere nearby. The USA was definitely unprepared.
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 31, 2020 12:59:05 GMT -5
My guess - at the extreme - maybe it becomes customary for fans of sporting events to have their temp taken prior to entering, much like bags and such being checked post 9/11. Players, coaches, and team members may have more monitoring and the days of playing with a slight fever may be gone. Not sure where the technology is on mass body temps for something like a football game or concert? A nice idea but functionally pointless for this virus. The whole reason it's spread so widely is because a carrier will typically be asymptomatic for up to 5 days while they shed the virus. I am thinking in terms of steps that we will see to help mitigate the risk. In theory, with up to 5 days for symptoms or the unknown people that are possibly asymptomatic (carriers) - we would never be 'safe' until the disease is eradicated. And although this isn't the same as the common flu - we haven't been able to eradicate the flu with vaccines. W/o the potential for eradication or until such time, we are probably looking at risk mitigation.
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Post by reader on Mar 31, 2020 15:46:05 GMT -5
A nice idea but functionally pointless for this virus. The whole reason it's spread so widely is because a carrier will typically be asymptomatic for up to 5 days while they shed the virus. I know it's spilt milk and all that but it's frustrating to know that we could have controlled this more effectively if we'd been better prepared. Yesterday South Korea (a country whose self reporting you can actually trust) announced just 78 new cases over the past 24 hours, down from their peak of 909 on February 29th. They've had about 10,000 total cases in their population of 50 million. Meanwhile we're up to 160,000+ cases as of this morning, among our population of 330 million and still, it seems, several weeks away from a peak. That difference is down to the first month and the testing debacle. I was in Africa recently and had my temperature taken at every point of entry to each country I was in. One small country held a woman in the airport quarantined and confirmed she had the virus. They also forced people to use hand sanitizer much more. On my return to USA, the CDC asked me how long I was in Europe for. I said I was only in the airport. The line was so long they bypassed me, didn’t even ask if I had symptoms, and let me pass. Didn’t take my temperature or anything. Didn’t see any hand sanitizer anywhere nearby. The USA was definitely unprepared. Africans have a recent and vivid memory of Ebola to encourage attention to these threats. Americans are convinced nothing can hurt them and are blessed to actually be right a lot of the time. It can take quite a bit to penetrate that deep a sense of complacency.
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Post by jackson5vb on Mar 31, 2020 17:48:35 GMT -5
Philadelphia NEQ rescheduled June 6-8, June 12-14. Vegas Red Rock May 30- June 1, June 5-7. Looks like at least USA Girls Jr Nationals are going to happen on time.
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Post by joetrinsey on Mar 31, 2020 18:03:35 GMT -5
Additionally, we enjoy our freedoms and aren't willing to forego them willy-nilly. We also had a press that had established a reputation akin to chicken-little. If our press was fair and unbiased, and had a reputation for reporting not editorializing, we may have willingly taken more drastic steps in the beginning.
It's a difficult situation. Remember the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf. Eventually, the wolf did come.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Mar 31, 2020 18:28:23 GMT -5
Philadelphia NEQ rescheduled June 6-8, June 12-14. Vegas Red Rock May 30- June 1, June 5-7. Looks like at least USA Girls Jr Nationals are going to happen on time. Repeat after me, “ it’s not happening “
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Post by eazy on Mar 31, 2020 18:35:21 GMT -5
Philadelphia NEQ rescheduled June 6-8, June 12-14. Vegas Red Rock May 30- June 1, June 5-7. Looks like at least USA Girls Jr Nationals are going to happen on time. Repeat after me, “ it’s not happening “ I’ll admit, there is value is being realistic. But trying to squash all signs of hope is not a good look. If you’re wrong, you’ll look like an idiot. And whether you’re right or wrong, you look like an ass. Can I say ass on here? Jerk didn’t sound intense enough.
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Post by jammaster on Mar 31, 2020 18:38:53 GMT -5
Philadelphia NEQ rescheduled June 6-8, June 12-14. Vegas Red Rock May 30- June 1, June 5-7. Looks like at least USA Girls Jr Nationals are going to happen on time. Repeat after me, “ it’s not happening “ I have 2 kids bouncing off the walls wanting to go to Vegas for Red Rock...we have rooms booked for the new/new June dates, club director is optimistic. It would be great if magically this sits down well enough to allow it to go on, but I am with Gibbyb1...slim to no chance that it will happen. I am actually thinking High School season is likely at risk of complete shut down. That would be a drag, but as my oldest is a freshman in HS, I would really feel more for the current sophomores and especially juniors who have aspirations or just love the game.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Mar 31, 2020 20:21:28 GMT -5
Repeat after me, “ it’s not happening “ I have 2 kids bouncing off the walls wanting to go to Vegas for Red Rock...we have rooms booked for the new/new June dates, club director is optimistic. It would be great if magically this sits down well enough to allow it to go on, but I am with Gibbyb1...slim to no chance that it will happen. I am actually thinking High School season is likely at risk of complete shut down. That would be a drag, but as my oldest is a freshman in HS, I would really feel more for the current sophomores and especially juniors who have aspirations or just love the game. I believe there is a better chance of HS seasons m being disrupted than there is a chance any Jr events will happen.
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Post by winesalot on Mar 31, 2020 20:52:45 GMT -5
Philadelphia NEQ rescheduled June 6-8, June 12-14. Vegas Red Rock May 30- June 1, June 5-7. Looks like at least USA Girls Jr Nationals are going to happen on time. GJNC is scheduled for the end of June...in the Dallas Convention Center. The DCC is being prepared to be a makeshift hospital for patients of a highly infectious disease. Not trying to burst your bubble, but things are not looking good. CMA fest was cancelled in Nashville June 4th-7th. Last year they made $65 million. Just noting that to put things into perspective with similar timelines
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 31, 2020 21:16:25 GMT -5
A nice idea but functionally pointless for this virus. The whole reason it's spread so widely is because a carrier will typically be asymptomatic for up to 5 days while they shed the virus. I am thinking in terms of steps that we will see to help mitigate the risk. In theory, with up to 5 days for symptoms or the unknown people that are possibly asymptomatic (carriers) - we would never be 'safe' until the disease is eradicated. And although this isn't the same as the common flu - we haven't been able to eradicate the flu with vaccines. W/o the potential for eradication or until such time, we are probably looking at risk mitigation. Flu has not been eradicated because a) its mutation rate is very high, requiring annual update of vaccines to be developed, so that is why an annual flu shot is required and b) flu vaccines not getting to everyone who needs it, especially those in the developing world and c) growing influence of anti-vaxxers who think vaccines harm more than help (if this pandemic says anything, it is to show these anti-vaxxers' ignorance and anti-science irrationality). Research has shown this coronavirus does not mutate anywhere as fast as the flu, meaning a vaccine, once it is developed and approved, will last a long time, even a whole life's time. This can be effective in drastically cutting down the number of cases.
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Post by joetrinsey on Apr 1, 2020 8:49:45 GMT -5
ironhammer On the flip side, far more people die from antibiotic-resistant bacteria each year than ever died of measles or polio combined. I wouldn't say we have a great idea of how this (by definition, "novel,") virus will play at long-term and how the initial courses of treatment will influence its evolution.
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 1, 2020 9:50:55 GMT -5
I am thinking in terms of steps that we will see to help mitigate the risk. In theory, with up to 5 days for symptoms or the unknown people that are possibly asymptomatic (carriers) - we would never be 'safe' until the disease is eradicated. And although this isn't the same as the common flu - we haven't been able to eradicate the flu with vaccines. W/o the potential for eradication or until such time, we are probably looking at risk mitigation. Flu has not been eradicated because a) its mutation rate is very high, requiring annual update of vaccines to be developed, so that is why an annual flu shot is required and b) flu vaccines not getting to everyone who needs it, especially those in the developing world and c) growing influence of anti-vaxxers who think vaccines harm more than help (if this pandemic says anything, it is to show these anti-vaxxers' ignorance and anti-science irrationality). Research has shown this coronavirus does not mutate anywhere as fast as the flu, meaning a vaccine, once it is developed and approved, will last a long time, even a whole life's time. This can be effective in drastically cutting down the number of cases. Taken from COVID 19 Canadian physician group "Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand. It has to do with RNA sequencing...i.e. genetics. Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year. You get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot. Novel viruses come from animals. The WHO tracks novel viruses in animals (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1, birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once one of these animal viruses mutates and starts to transfer from animals to humans...then it’s a problem. Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity. The RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it, so we can’t fight it off. Now...sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human. For years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human. Once that happens, we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that’s what decides how contagious, or how deadly, it’s going to be. H1N1 was deadly, but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. Its RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too. Fast forward. Now, here comes this Coronavirus. It existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long. But one day, at an animal market in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person. But here is the scary part. In just TWO WEEKS, it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”. This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity), took off like a rocket. And this was because humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it. And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs. That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1, or any other type of influenza...this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater. And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain S and strain L...which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine. We really have no tools in our shed with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu. Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him till the Black Plague passed (honestly, I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation. And let me end by saying...right now it’s hitting older folks harder...but this genome is so slippery, if it mutates again (and it will), who is to say what it will do next.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 1, 2020 10:56:05 GMT -5
Wimbledon cancelled, NEQ postponed. Makes sense.
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