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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 3, 2020 9:24:32 GMT -5
Our American "individualism" ethos is just the opposite of what we need facing this catastrophe....and yet some people in power are so afraid to share the blanket. Until WE and US emerges, "fascination" will continue it seems (smh). Slowly but surely these states will come around....hopefully not to late. It’s like having a no peeing section in a pool. Shut them down
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Post by winesalot on Apr 3, 2020 12:01:56 GMT -5
Cities and counties around the country are extending "stay at home" orders beyond the national guideline of April 30th based on when they believe they will see their peak. I don't see how USAV could ensure a fair and equal championships if some clubs can't hold practice because of local restrictions. I still believe that the season is over, but is there a way to guarantee that every team in every region has a fair shot at qualifying?
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 3, 2020 12:30:33 GMT -5
Not sure about fair and equitable. But some regions have a ranking system for their own purposes, mainly seeding for regional championships.
They could, theoretically, rank the regions based on past performances and allocate bids in all the divisions based on that and let the regions fill up the empty slots for nationals.
I'm not sure if it is worth all the screaming and kvetching this would cause, but it is A solution.
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Post by n00b on Apr 3, 2020 12:37:13 GMT -5
Cities and counties around the country are extending "stay at home" orders beyond the national guideline of April 30th based on when they believe they will see their peak. I don't see how USAV could ensure a fair and equal championships if some clubs can't hold practice because of local restrictions. I still believe that the season is over, but is there a way to guarantee that every team in every region has a fair shot at qualifying? If it is safe to host a tournament, the opportunity to play is what's important. Not being 'fair and equitable'.
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Post by coachk2 on Apr 3, 2020 13:09:12 GMT -5
Not sure about fair and equitable. But some regions have a ranking system for their own purposes, mainly seeding for regional championships. They could, theoretically, rank the regions based on past performances and allocate bids in all the divisions based on that and let the regions fill up the empty slots for nationals. I'm not sure if it is worth all the screaming and kvetching this would cause, but it is A solution. Doesn’t that concept remind you of the good old days in the Gateway Region when all the coaches met to seed the Bid Event? Coach K seems to remember lots of yelling and screaming. Stay safe, P.
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 3, 2020 13:09:58 GMT -5
Cities and counties around the country are extending "stay at home" orders beyond the national guideline of April 30th based on when they believe they will see their peak. I don't see how USAV could ensure a fair and equal championships if some clubs can't hold practice because of local restrictions. I still believe that the season is over, but is there a way to guarantee that every team in every region has a fair shot at qualifying? If it is safe to host a tournament, the opportunity to play is what's important. Not being 'fair and equitable'. It is for the players but for the clubs and parents, they will complain.
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Post by Socleanclean on Apr 3, 2020 13:27:06 GMT -5
I think there are some clubs in deep dookie. They took in all of this money in November and December and the season has been cut short. Refunds are due. I bet those refunds don't happen because they've spent the $$$. All clubs are going to take a huge revenue hit. Figuring out refund situations is going to be extremely hard. Any club with a facility is more than likely going to need outside financial assistance to survive. This could be the beginning of the bubble bursting on so many people making a living off of youth sports.
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Post by Socleanclean on Apr 3, 2020 13:53:51 GMT -5
Dallas County just extended shelter in place through May 20. Hard to believe they will let everything go back to normal within a month of that to run qualifiers.
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Post by rogero1 on Apr 3, 2020 14:37:49 GMT -5
If it is safe to host a tournament, the opportunity to play is what's important. Not being 'fair and equitable'. It is for the players but for the clubs and parents, they will complain. Just go back to the pre-convention center days and put all non qualified teams into Patriot and run Open, National, USA, & American with whoever qualified already. Use 6-7 team pools for Patriot and take the top 3 for gold with the rest into a consolation flight.
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Post by winesalot on Apr 3, 2020 14:46:55 GMT -5
Cities and counties around the country are extending "stay at home" orders beyond the national guideline of April 30th based on when they believe they will see their peak. I don't see how USAV could ensure a fair and equal championships if some clubs can't hold practice because of local restrictions. I still believe that the season is over, but is there a way to guarantee that every team in every region has a fair shot at qualifying? If it is safe to host a tournament, the opportunity to play is what's important. Not being 'fair and equitable'. I get that playing is the most important thing for the athletes, but I guess I am trying to figure out how the season proceeds from a pratical standpoint. I should have made my question broader than simply a fair shot to qualify. For example, how do you hold regionals within a region if the different counties or cities within your region have different stay at home orders? If you live in one county and play for a club in another, you have to abide by the rules of the county you live in. Because there are no uniform orders in place across the US, it just seems that it would be difficult to prepare for all of these tournaments leading up to GJNC. And if the DCC is still used as a hospital in June, where do you hold GJNC 2020? I'm just glad that I'm not in charge of anything!
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Post by volleav on Apr 3, 2020 14:56:13 GMT -5
If it is safe to host a tournament, the opportunity to play is what's important. Not being 'fair and equitable'. I get that playing is the most important thing for the athletes, but I guess I am trying to figure out how the season proceeds from a pratical standpoint. I should have made my question broader than simply a fair shot to qualify. For example, how do you hold regionals within a region if the different counties or cities within your region have different stay at home orders? If you live in one county and play for a club in another, you have to abide by the rules of the county you live in. Because there are no uniform orders in place across the US, it just seems that it would be difficult to prepare for all of these tournaments leading up to GJNC. And if the DCC is still used as a hospital in June, where do you hold GJNC 2020? I'm just glad that I'm not in charge of anything! As of right now the DCC isnt being used at all. Lots of hospital space left still. And yes, that could change. However, let this 30 day mandate until the end of April go and see how things look. So many people all over making such rash long term decisions without giving things time to see how it is going. Do I think this VB club season will happen? No. But somewhere, sometime there has to be an exit strategy.
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Post by jammaster on Apr 3, 2020 14:56:22 GMT -5
If it is safe to host a tournament, the opportunity to play is what's important. Not being 'fair and equitable'. I get that playing is the most important thing for the athletes, but I guess I am trying to figure out how the season proceeds from a pratical standpoint. I should have made my question broader than simply a fair shot to qualify. For example, how do you hold regionals within a region if the different counties or cities within your region have different stay at home orders? If you live in one county and play for a club in another, you have to abide by the rules of the county you live in. Because there are no uniform orders in place across the US, it just seems that it would be difficult to prepare for all of these tournaments leading up to GJNC. And if the DCC is still used as a hospital in June, where do you hold GJNC 2020? I'm just glad that I'm not in charge of anything! We live in SoCal and for the past few years the fire season has impacted clubs ability to train, in some cases for weeks. It hits different parts of SoCal differently, you just work through it. That being said, weeks are not months...
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 3, 2020 15:51:43 GMT -5
There is zero chance another major tournament is held this season. Zero.
If I owned a qualifier or other event, I'd be making contingency plans for the 2021 season being severely affected, as well.
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 3, 2020 15:56:42 GMT -5
There is zero chance another major tournament is held this season. Zero. If I owned a qualifier or other event, I'd be making contingency plans for the 2021 season being severely affected, as well. I think they are trying to figure out how much of the fees they can refund without putting themselves out of business.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 3, 2020 17:26:59 GMT -5
I think the challenges for clubs are waiting to see what they are reimbursed for (tournaments, gym rental)
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