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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 16:25:00 GMT -5
Dude, I don't trust the Chinese government in the slightest, but seriously, every time you quote The Epoch Times it's like you are re-enacting the scene in Blazing Saddles where the sheriff takes himself hostage. Dude, you haven't bothered to deny their facts or claims. Don't trust them, that's fine. Mark 'em down 50% without further consideration. But weigh all the claims. The CCP is zero% trustworthy. What % do you assign to The Epoch Times? Truthfully, I don't care. But given I can't trust the CCP, and that all other sources of science have stated that the novel corona virus is a chimeric, there are only two ways that can happen.
One of those ways is in a lab, the very lab that was in Wuhan that conducted that type of research. A known fact, sourced from other than the Epoch Times.
The other way is on the small chance that a bat (likely a horse shoe bat, reportedly never sold in the Wuhan market, which reportedly wasn't trafficking in bats), and that species of bat which comes from many hundreds of miles away from Wuhan, but which were the subject of research by the China virology scientists, then may have infected a pangolin, which then caught or harbored another SARs like corona virus, where the two separate virus then cross-mutated into the novel corona virus, then that particular pangolin must then have been caught and transported to the Wuhan wet market, where it then found a human to jump to. But, then this human must have spread the virus far and wide within China, to others who had never had any association to the Wuhan market. Then, when the novel corona virus infections in humans could no longer be denied, China decided to shut down the Wuhan market, but in so doing they denied any outside independent scientist to confirm that any animal in the market was infected. They claimed to have found the virus on surfaces in the market, but there was no confirmation of what the source animal reservoir was. They destroyed it all before that could happen. Damn sloppy science, or damned efficient cover-up. You decide.
Since you clearly don't understand anything about wet markets or how the Chinese wildlife trade works (it's farmed, so the natural habitat of the bat is irrelevant... they're farmed) but you do like videos, here's one for you (but don't enjoy while eating):
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Post by cindra on Apr 12, 2020 16:46:04 GMT -5
www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9This article in Nature has information that shows SARS-CoV-2 is zoonotic and jumped to humans through natural processes. Epoch times won't let me read articles without giving them my email and I don't want to watch a 55 minute video, but other articles in similar papers like the Washington Times don't seem to give any concrete evidence of a lab release besides the fact that similar viruses to SARS-CoV-2 have been studied in Chinese labs, something that we've known about for a while.
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Post by noblesol on Apr 12, 2020 17:19:06 GMT -5
Dude, you haven't bothered to deny their facts or claims. Don't trust them, that's fine. Mark 'em down 50% without further consideration. But weigh all the claims. The CCP is zero% trustworthy. What % do you assign to The Epoch Times? Truthfully, I don't care. But given I can't trust the CCP, and that all other sources of science have stated that the novel corona virus is a chimeric, there are only two ways that can happen.
One of those ways is in a lab, the very lab that was in Wuhan that conducted that type of research. A known fact, sourced from other than the Epoch Times.
The other way is on the small chance that a bat (likely a horse shoe bat, reportedly never sold in the Wuhan market, which reportedly wasn't trafficking in bats), and that species of bat which comes from many hundreds of miles away from Wuhan, but which were the subject of research by the China virology scientists, then may have infected a pangolin, which then caught or harbored another SARs like corona virus, where the two separate virus then cross-mutated into the novel corona virus, then that particular pangolin must then have been caught and transported to the Wuhan wet market, where it then found a human to jump to. But, then this human must have spread the virus far and wide within China, to others who had never had any association to the Wuhan market. Then, when the novel corona virus infections in humans could no longer be denied, China decided to shut down the Wuhan market, but in so doing they denied any outside independent scientist to confirm that any animal in the market was infected. They claimed to have found the virus on surfaces in the market, but there was no confirmation of what the source animal reservoir was. They destroyed it all before that could happen. Damn sloppy science, or damned efficient cover-up. You decide.
Since you clearly don't understand anything about wet markets or how the Chinese wildlife trade works (it's farmed, so the natural habitat of the bat is irrelevant... they're farmed) but you do like videos, here's one for you (but don't enjoy while eating): Nice video, good production value, informative re the wet markets. Recommend everyone watch it. But, the video does not claim that the source reservoir for the novel corona virus has been found. In fact it is mostly 'B' roll and nice graphics, meant to be convincing but without ever providing any evidence of a source. It has long been known that the wet markets are a potential source of disease, potentially like SARS, which everyone has always acknowledged and no one is claiming otherwise, even the CCP. In fact, the CCP hopes you believe this, hook, line, and sinker. And, clearly you do. I don't deny it is a plausible explanation.
But, congratulations, you have accepted the CCP story they want everyone to believe, with no apparent effort made to investigate the other equally plausible possibility. That the CCP is hiding as much as they can of the researchers, and the research that was going on at the Wuhan Virology Lab. That it was known that their primary expert on corona virus was conducting research there using corona virus chimeric technology, using bats, and the very same tech and techniques that the U.S. had stopped funding because of the possibility of creating a novel corona virus infectious to humans. That if such a chimeric escaped from the lab it could cause the exact type of catastrophe the world is experiencing. And that the CCP immediately destroyed all the potential evidence of a source reservoir in the Wuhan market, possibly because they knew none might be found, and it wouldn't do to have that disconcerting possibility hanging out there. Or, that if the pangolins and bats were being farmed, have they found on said farm(s) the source reservoir of pangolins and bats that harbor the novel corona virus, or at least the virus that must have been the source for the cross-mutation in the theorized pangolin? Or that they have destroyed such farms, since they have led the world to believe that they were the source? Or do they not think it important to find that source, out of all precation to remove it from reinfecting? Has anyone demanded that? Or are we trusting in the CCP again?
I can't go through life with nice comfortable blinders on. From my prior military and work history, I've seen too much of how things do work in this world.
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Post by ncugafan68 on Apr 12, 2020 19:11:45 GMT -5
I don't think the NCAA will have 96-128 teams in the tournament (there are 32 conferences in Division I WVB) and with what money? Adding teams costs money I didn’t realize that there were THAT many D1 conferences. Then just have the top two from each conference make the field. If nothing else, that would help the smaller conferences that typically only get one team in the tournament.
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Post by winesalot on Apr 12, 2020 20:48:40 GMT -5
Excuse me, please. I want to join this conversation, but in order to fit in, I first need to go grab the foil to make my hat. I'm not going to use emojis or acronyms because I feel it important for you to know...I really did laugh aloud after reading this!
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Post by winesalot on Apr 12, 2020 21:06:15 GMT -5
What are you trying to say here? Who was denying that Male-Male sex was the primary transmission method? I’ve heard that my whole life. You didn't hear it from the media establishment nor the politicians and still don't. It ain't PC. Too disparaging to the gay community. You have to google to find out the real facts, just like a lot of other things. I'm not quite sure what you are trying to discuss/argue here but I have quite a few gay friends. I don't think the media (or anyone else for that matter) has ever been too kind or too PC to them with regards to HIV. In fact, most would tell you that in the 80s and early 90s some friends and family were scared too touch them because they were gay and they might catch HIV...as if it were, I don't know...a ridiculously, communicable disease like Covid.
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 12, 2020 21:07:01 GMT -5
Dude, I don't trust the Chinese government in the slightest, but seriously, every time you quote The Epoch Times it's like you are re-enacting the scene in Blazing Saddles where the sheriff takes himself hostage. When I first saw that scene a long time ago as a kid, I didn't think it was funny. I could see how it could be funny to some. But it just wasn't funny to me. Over the years though, I still don't think it's that funny but when I see it now, I smile a bit and only because it's nostalgic. It's like, oh yeah, that was part of my childhood.
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Post by volleytalker16 on Apr 12, 2020 21:51:54 GMT -5
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Post by cindra on Apr 12, 2020 21:59:37 GMT -5
I'm in college now and I've been putting off signing a lease because of this. Not sure when/if I'll be back on campus in the fall. I understand stuff opening up but college is basically a big mosh pit of people swapping germs. I'm within 6 feet of probably hundreds of people any given day.
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Post by silverchloride on Apr 12, 2020 22:04:41 GMT -5
HIV disproportionately affected gays and minorities, so that could have something to do with it.... While it is technically true that HIV could be spread through several different ways, it's principal mode of transmission has always been unprotected male gay sex. About 82 percent of cases. www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/men/index.htmlI'll never fail to grasp why media and politicians steadfastly dodged this factoid, but it in no way made it less true. I love smoking cigars. But I can't ignore that smoking is a known carcinogen just because I don't want to disparage my fellow cigar-smoking friends. We are too PC in this country for our own damn good.
First, Aficionado. Right there with you.
I was shocked to see that HIV/AIDS is still killing and Infecting Millions; it has been almost 40 years. And I remember very well the fear at the time. We were not sure how it spread initially.
Global HIV & AIDS statistics — 2019 fact sheet
Global HIV statistics
24.5 million [21.6 million–25.5 million] people were accessing antiretroviral therapy (end ofJune 2019). 37.9 million [32.7 million–44.0 million] people globally were living with HIV (end 2018). 1.7 million [1.4 million–2.3 million] people became newly infected with HIV (end 2018). 770 000 [570 000–1.1 million] people died from AIDS-related illnesses (end 2018). 74.9 million [58.3 million–98.1 million] people have become infected with HIV since the start of the epidemic (end 2018). 32.0 million [23.6 million–43.8 million] people have died from AIDS-related illnesses since the start of the epidemic (end 2018).
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Post by cindra on Apr 12, 2020 22:08:13 GMT -5
While it is technically true that HIV could be spread through several different ways, it's principal mode of transmission has always been unprotected male gay sex. About 82 percent of cases. www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/men/index.htmlI'll never fail to grasp why media and politicians steadfastly dodged this factoid, but it in no way made it less true. I love smoking cigars. But I can't ignore that smoking is a known carcinogen just because I don't want to disparage my fellow cigar-smoking friends. We are too PC in this country for our own damn good.
First, Aficionado. Right there with you.
I was shocked to see that HIV/AIDS is still killing and Infecting Millions; it has been almost 40 years. And I remember very well the fear at the time. We were not sure how it spread initially.
Global HIV & AIDS statistics — 2019 fact sheet
Global HIV statistics
24.5 million [21.6 million–25.5 million] people were accessing antiretroviral therapy (end ofJune 2019). 37.9 million [32.7 million–44.0 million] people globally were living with HIV (end 2018). 1.7 million [1.4 million–2.3 million] people became newly infected with HIV (end 2018). 770 000 [570 000–1.1 million] people died from AIDS-related illnesses (end 2018). 74.9 million [58.3 million–98.1 million] people have become infected with HIV since the start of the epidemic (end 2018). 32.0 million [23.6 million–43.8 million] people have died from AIDS-related illnesses since the start of the epidemic (end 2018).
It's running wild in Africa. Lots of low-income people who don't understand how the virus spreads and also can't afford treatment.
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Post by volleydadtx on Apr 12, 2020 23:01:26 GMT -5
If COVID is such a 5-alarm fire, why are we still letting people smoke cigarettes, have gay sex, cliff dive, drink, eat Oreos, drive past 55 mph, abort babies, eat red meat, go to tanning beds, use weed killer, ride motorcycles, fly small aircraft, water ski, snow board, play with fireworks, run marathons, build campfires, swallow swords, carve pumpkins with sharp instruments, and chase tornados? Living is risky business. You might end up dying.
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Post by winesalot on Apr 12, 2020 23:16:51 GMT -5
Not trying to be facetious, but is there a mute button on this site? I post from my phone and I cannot find a solution. I'm about to say some things I can never take back, and that is not my style or inclination.
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Post by volleydadtx on Apr 12, 2020 23:17:54 GMT -5
Not trying to be facetious, but is there a mute button on this site? I post from my phone and I cannot find a solution. I'm about to say some things I can never take back, and that is not my style or inclination. If called by a panther, don’t anther.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 12, 2020 23:27:57 GMT -5
If COVID is such a 5-alarm fire, why are we still letting people smoke cigarettes, have gay sex, cliff dive, drink, eat Oreos, drive past 55 mph, abort babies, eat red meat, go to tanning beds, use weed killer, ride motorcycles, fly small aircraft, water ski, snow board, play with fireworks, run marathons, build campfires, swallow swords, carve pumpkins with sharp instruments, and chase tornados? I probably shouldn't reveal this, but the truth is that every Tuesday at 7:25pm Eastern, George Soros hosts a conference call for all the members of the vast left wing conspiracy. We spend about 30-45 minutes reviewing the action items for our master plan -- which is not to take over the world and establish a New World Order, but actually to piss you off. And I don't mean "you" generically, but "you" volleydadtx. It's true. We have mustered up the power of the Deep State to legalize abortion and gay sex and Oreos in order to really get you angry. This COVID-19 thing? It was all our idea. We knew it would drive you crazy. George actually checks in with this site himself using a carefully maintained fake persona called holidayhusker.
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