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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 3:39:56 GMT -5
When it came to this years pro-season no OH2 was playing better then Kim Hill right up to the cancellation point. What's crazy is that her position on the Olympic roster is the most at jeopardy IMO based on how poorly she played in 2019 with the team. Robinson, Larson and MBH are the top 3 and will all surely be in Tokyo. If the Libero problem isn't worked out I fear for her spot. I hope she goes based on her back court abilities and her serve....however the one thing USA lacks in general is more terminal players in clutch moments. MBH, Plummer, Foecke and even Lowe are more terminal in general. Plummer and Foecke need more time which the Olympic delay has possibly given them....but time will tell if they can be effective in the USA fast system. I see Karch choosing one of the following options: A. 2 setters, 3 outsides, 2 opposites, 3 middles and Courtney +1 (JWO, Lake, Hentz, White) whoever makes the most progress. ATM that's JWO in my opinion. B. 3 setters, 3 outsides, 2 opposites, 3 middles and 1 libero. (Poulter, Hancock and Carlini all go) C. 2 setters, 3 outsides, 3 opposites, 3 middles and 1 libero. (Either Lowe or Plummer go as the 3rd opposite along with Drews and Thompson) D. 2 setters, 4 outsides, 2 opposites, 3 middles and 1 libero. (Traditional plan, only here does Hill make the cut) IMO option D is the furthest from the actual choice he will make at the moment in time. 15 months is a long time away so hopefully everyone improves and stays healthy and for the newbies they go overseas and make some splashes! Love Hill...but I'm not sure she is what the team needs anymore. Bottom line....USA has gotta fix the Libero issue. Our back court level of play is at best in the middle of the pack of the 12 teams that will be at the Olympics.
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 25, 2020 13:28:43 GMT -5
When it came to this years pro-season no OH2 was playing better then Kim Hill right up to the cancellation point. What's crazy is that her position on the Olympic roster is the most at jeopardy IMO based on how poorly she played in 2019 with the team. Robinson, Larson and MBH are the top 3 and will all surely be in Tokyo. If the Libero problem isn't worked out I fear for her spot. I hope she goes based on her back court abilities and her serve....however the one thing USA lacks in general is more terminal players in clutch moments. MBH, Plummer, Foecke and even Lowe are more terminal in general. Plummer and Foecke need more time which the Olympic delay has possibly given them....but time will tell if they can be effective in the USA fast system. I see Karch choosing one of the following options: A. 2 setters, 3 outsides, 2 opposites, 3 middles and Courtney +1 (JWO, Lake, Hentz, White) whoever makes the most progress. ATM that's JWO in my opinion. B. 3 setters, 3 outsides, 2 opposites, 3 middles and 1 libero. (Poulter, Hancock and Carlini all go) C. 2 setters, 3 outsides, 3 opposites, 3 middles and 1 libero. (Either Lowe or Plummer go as the 3rd opposite along with Drews and Thompson) D. 2 setters, 4 outsides, 2 opposites, 3 middles and 1 libero. (Traditional plan, only here does Hill make the cut) Fan IMO option D is the furthest from the actual choice he will make at the moment in time. 15 months is a long time away so hopefully everyone improves and stays healthy and for the newbies they go overseas and make some splashes! Love Hill...but I'm not sure she is what the team needs anymore. Bottom line....USA has gotta fix the Libero issue. Our back court level of play is at best in the middle of the pack of the 12 teams that will be at the Olympics. You think option D is the farthest from reality? We have a few players who have proven they can do more than one think and with option D it would allow Robinson to step in if there was a problem at libero that outweighed needing her at OH, And with 2 oppos we should be safe to bet at least one of the, will show up, if not, MBH showed she can perform on the opp too. Ik im a Stanford fan and this is just a hope but if Plummer was good enough by then and develops fast enough than do you think there could be a possibility he takes 2 oppos/ 3 OHs and Plummer as a swing for both positions? I think it would be good to have someone who best attribute is putting the ball down with force, Drew’s has some power but other than that this USA team doesn’t have a whole lot of heavy hitters. Ik it’s pretty much wishful thinking, but if she was good enough I think that would be a reasonable option.
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Post by donut on Apr 25, 2020 14:22:34 GMT -5
Kim Hill had a total of 50 swings in 2019 (all in the World Cup). For reference, Larson and MBH had 150-160 swings in the World Cup alone, and Robo had 230.
If she got beat out in the gym or she doesn't fit Karch's system anymore, that's one thing, but I don't think we even saw enough of her in 2019 for us to say she didn't have a good year.
If she is number 4 on the depth chart, Karch is cray. The team should be doing whatever they can to tap into Imoco Kim Hill. I think even 80% of her club self should start opposite Larson.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 14:27:47 GMT -5
So if they fix Allie Gregory’s passing form what shot does she have in the NT gym. She was really playing well towards the end of the season. Her match against ucf was one of the best I saw of any libero in the country last year.
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Post by jwvolley on Apr 25, 2020 14:28:33 GMT -5
Kim Hill had a total of 50 swings in 2019 (all in the World Cup). For reference, Larson and MBH had 150-160 swings in the World Cup alone, and Robo had 230. If she got beat out in the gym or she doesn't fit Karch's system anymore, that's one thing, but I don't think we even saw enough of her in 2019 for us to say she didn't have a good year. If she is number 4 on the depth chart, Karch is cray. The team should be doing whatever they can to tap into Imoco Kim Hill. I think even 80% of her club self should start opposite Larson. Yeah I was about to say...not sure we have enough data for 2019 to actually make any type of fair comparison there. On the contrary, during our olympic qualifying tournament I seem to recall her starting (i don't remember what match) and playing quite well.
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Post by donut on Apr 25, 2020 14:52:20 GMT -5
So if they fix Allie Gregory’s passing form what shot does she have in the NT gym. She was really playing well towards the end of the season. Her match against ucf was one of the best I saw of any libero in the country last year. Who is they? Predicting how NCAA liberos will perform at the international level seems to be near impossible. That being said, even if the "top" NCAA liberos don't always end up being the "top" performers at the next level, they usually get the most chances/looks. If Gregory gets in the gym, she has as good of chance as any, but she would need to beat out multiple liberos who have been much closer to the NT pipeline. Getting in the gym is going to be hard enough. Staying in the gym is another thing. Being an American libero overseas is very hard and not very glamorous. She would have to be really dedicated.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 14:53:59 GMT -5
So if they fix Allie Gregory’s passing form what shot does she have in the NT gym. She was really playing well towards the end of the season. Her match against ucf was one of the best I saw of any libero in the country last year. Who is they? Predicting how NCAA liberos will perform at the international level seems to be near impossible. That being said, even if the "top" NCAA liberos don't always end up being the "top" performers at the next level, they usually get the most chances/looks. If Gregory gets in the gym, she has as good of chance as any, but she would need to beat out multiple liberos who have been much closer to the NT pipeline. Getting in the gym is going to be hard enough. Staying in the gym is another thing. Being an American libero overseas is very hard and not very glamorous. She would have to be really dedicated. I meant the NT staff. She has a tendency to jump when she passes.
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Post by jwvolley on Apr 25, 2020 14:59:33 GMT -5
Who remembers Kristen Hahn? Wasn't she on team USA for a bit?
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Post by trojansc on Apr 25, 2020 15:15:25 GMT -5
I know it was a few pages back but I didn't see it Shoutout to Hawk Attack for mentioning Taylor Whittingham... one of the most underrated liberos ever. She played with a partially torn-ACL her senior year and still was putting up impressive numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 15:29:57 GMT -5
Kim Hill had a total of 50 swings in 2019 (all in the World Cup). For reference, Larson and MBH had 150-160 swings in the World Cup alone, and Robo had 230. If she got beat out in the gym or she doesn't fit Karch's system anymore, that's one thing, but I don't think we even saw enough of her in 2019 for us to say she didn't have a good year. If she is number 4 on the depth chart, Karch is cray. The team should be doing whatever they can to tap into Imoco Kim Hill. I think even 80% of her club self should start opposite Larson. This statement is valid. However none of our setters are Wołosz. And Santarelli isn't Karch. I just stated what I have seen. Kim chose to take the VNL off last summer that's why we didn't see much of her. That might have been a bad call on her part. But hey...when you need a break you have to do what is best for you. Now what baffled many of us on here was when she was playing well vs. Bulgaria in the IOQT and then she was benched for Robinson when Larson and Thompson both couldn't put the ball away. Kim had scored 15 spikes on 37 attempts with 2 aces for 17 points in the first three sets before Robinson started in her place in sets 4 and 5. Her play in world cup was also limited and when she did start it was against the weakest teams in the tournament and she played poorly. She was brought in for Robinson in the 4th set vs. Japan and she completely choked and they lost the 4th and had to win it in a tie breaker. To me it seems like her heart just isn't in it anymore. She is retiring after Tokyo. How sad would it be if she went back overseas next year only to miss out on the Olympic roster? That could become a reality especially when Foecke, Plummer and Thompson continue to improve.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 15:34:20 GMT -5
What's crazy is that her position on the Olympic roster is the most at jeopardy IMO based on how poorly she played in 2019 with the team. Robinson, Larson and MBH are the top 3 and will all surely be in Tokyo. If the Libero problem isn't worked out I fear for her spot. I hope she goes based on her back court abilities and her serve....however the one thing USA lacks in general is more terminal players in clutch moments. MBH, Plummer, Foecke and even Lowe are more terminal in general. Plummer and Foecke need more time which the Olympic delay has possibly given them....but time will tell if they can be effective in the USA fast system. I see Karch choosing one of the following options: A. 2 setters, 3 outsides, 2 opposites, 3 middles and Courtney +1 (JWO, Lake, Hentz, White) whoever makes the most progress. ATM that's JWO in my opinion. B. 3 setters, 3 outsides, 2 opposites, 3 middles and 1 libero. (Poulter, Hancock and Carlini all go) C. 2 setters, 3 outsides, 3 opposites, 3 middles and 1 libero. (Either Lowe or Plummer go as the 3rd opposite along with Drews and Thompson) D. 2 setters, 4 outsides, 2 opposites, 3 middles and 1 libero. (Traditional plan, only here does Hill make the cut) Fan IMO option D is the furthest from the actual choice he will make at the moment in time. 15 months is a long time away so hopefully everyone improves and stays healthy and for the newbies they go overseas and make some splashes! Love Hill...but I'm not sure she is what the team needs anymore. Bottom line....USA has gotta fix the Libero issue. Our back court level of play is at best in the middle of the pack of the 12 teams that will be at the Olympics. You think option D is the farthest from reality? We have a few players who have proven they can do more than one think and with option D it would allow Robinson to step in if there was a problem at libero that outweighed needing her at OH, And with 2 oppos we should be safe to bet at least one of the, will show up, if not, MBH showed she can perform on the opp too. Ik im a Stanford fan and this is just a hope but if Plummer was good enough by then and develops fast enough than do you think there could be a possibility he takes 2 oppos/ 3 OHs and Plummer as a swing for both positions? I think it would be good to have someone who best attribute is putting the ball down with force, Drew’s has some power but other than that this USA team doesn’t have a whole lot of heavy hitters. Ik it’s pretty much wishful thinking, but if she was good enough I think that would be a reasonable option. If I am not mistaken...only one player per match at the Olympics CAN be suited up as the libero. Does anyone know or recall a match where there were two libero's that were interchangeable DURING a match? I think one can be a defensive specialist but could then become the libero in the following match(s). Am I correct? If so then your argument that Robinson can just sub in for the libero during a match is flawed. She will either go as the libero or as an OH and then have to transition to the libero before the start of a new match.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 25, 2020 15:38:02 GMT -5
You think option D is the farthest from reality? We have a few players who have proven they can do more than one think and with option D it would allow Robinson to step in if there was a problem at libero that outweighed needing her at OH, And with 2 oppos we should be safe to bet at least one of the, will show up, if not, MBH showed she can perform on the opp too. Ik im a Stanford fan and this is just a hope but if Plummer was good enough by then and develops fast enough than do you think there could be a possibility he takes 2 oppos/ 3 OHs and Plummer as a swing for both positions? I think it would be good to have someone who best attribute is putting the ball down with force, Drew’s has some power but other than that this USA team doesn’t have a whole lot of heavy hitters. Ik it’s pretty much wishful thinking, but if she was good enough I think that would be a reasonable option. If I am not mistaken...only one player per match at the Olympics CAN be suited up as the libero. Does anyone know or recall a match where there were two libero's that were interchangeable DURING a match? I think one can be a defensive specialist but could then become the libero in the following match(s). Am I correct? If so then your argument that Robinson can just sub in for the libero during a match is flawed. She will either go as the libero or as an OH and then have to transition to the libero before the start of a new match. You are mistaken. The Olympics follow FIVB rules, and those rules allow for two players to suit up as libero. In fact, they specify that if the team roster is more than 12 players, the team *must* have two liberos. The Olympic roster is only 12, so that means teams are not required to have two liberos. I'm not sure this rule was in effect in 2016. www.fivb.org/EN/Refereeing-Rules/documents/FIVB-Volleyball_Rules_2017-2020-EN-v06.pdfRule 19.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 17:15:48 GMT -5
If I am not mistaken...only one player per match at the Olympics CAN be suited up as the libero. Does anyone know or recall a match where there were two libero's that were interchangeable DURING a match? I think one can be a defensive specialist but could then become the libero in the following match(s). Am I correct? If so then your argument that Robinson can just sub in for the libero during a match is flawed. She will either go as the libero or as an OH and then have to transition to the libero before the start of a new match. You are mistaken. The Olympics follow FIVB rules, and those rules allow for two players to suit up as libero. In fact, they specify that if the team roster is more than 12 players, the team *must* have two liberos. The Olympic roster is only 12, so that means teams are not required to have two liberos. I'm not sure this rule was in effect in 2016. www.fivb.org/EN/Refereeing-Rules/documents/FIVB-Volleyball_Rules_2017-2020-EN-v06.pdfRule 19. Thank you for this! I would then consider taking 1 true libero (JWO, Lake, Hentz, etc.) and Robinson as an OH.
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Post by libro on Apr 25, 2020 17:31:37 GMT -5
You are mistaken. The Olympics follow FIVB rules, and those rules allow for two players to suit up as libero. In fact, they specify that if the team roster is more than 12 players, the team *must* have two liberos. The Olympic roster is only 12, so that means teams are not required to have two liberos. I'm not sure this rule was in effect in 2016. www.fivb.org/EN/Refereeing-Rules/documents/FIVB-Volleyball_Rules_2017-2020-EN-v06.pdfRule 19. Thank you for this! I for sure would take 1 true libero (JWO, Lake, Hentz, etc.) and take Robinson as an OH. Emphasis on TRUE libero. But someone’s gotta step up
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 17:32:20 GMT -5
Thank you for this! I for sure would take 1 true libero (JWO, Lake, Hentz, etc.) and take Robinson as an OH. Emphasis on TRUE libero. But someone’s gotta step up I really hope someone does but if not then Robinson is my choice for the spot. That frees up another roster spot for another younger player like Foecke or Plummer. Or, depending on your preference, a third setter or fourth middle. For me I would take 6 of the biggest arms in the gym. Bring on the bangin' big guns.
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