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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 25, 2020 17:33:32 GMT -5
Thank you for this! I for sure would take 1 true libero (JWO, Lake, Hentz, etc.) and take Robinson as an OH. Emphasis on TRUE libero. But someone’s gotta step up What are the track records of "true liberos" on the USWNT? The only truly elite one we've had was an All-American outside. I mean, JWO didn't even play Libero until she got to college. Is that a "true" Libero?
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Post by libro on Apr 25, 2020 17:36:36 GMT -5
Emphasis on TRUE libero. But someone’s gotta step up What are the track records of "true liberos" on the USWNT? The only truly elite one we've had was an All-American outside. I mean, JWO didn't even play Libero until she got to college. Is that a "true" Libero? Neither was Hentz. But I’d say so, yes. I’m referring to athletes like Banwarth who played lib at Nebraska for her 4 years (Ik she didn’t start freshmen year) and that was really her only position, so she’s literally been TRAINING left back defense her whole life. Did that help? No but w/e. I realize she isn’t on the NT anymo, it’s just an example of someone who has specialized in solely passing and defense for years
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Post by jwvolley on Apr 25, 2020 17:45:22 GMT -5
What are the track records of "true liberos" on the USWNT? The only truly elite one we've had was an All-American outside. I mean, JWO didn't even play Libero until she got to college. Is that a "true" Libero? Neither was Hentz. But I’d say so, yes. I’m referring to athletes like Banwarth who played lib at Nebraska for her 4 years (Ik she didn’t start freshmen year) and that was really her only position, so she’s literally been TRAINING left back defense her whole life. Did that help? No but w/e. I realize she isn’t on the NT anymo, it’s just an example of someone who has specialized in solely passing and defense for years Banwarth did end up starting in 2007 eventually btw
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 25, 2020 17:46:18 GMT -5
What are the track records of "true liberos" on the USWNT? The only truly elite one we've had was an All-American outside. I mean, JWO didn't even play Libero until she got to college. Is that a "true" Libero? Neither was Hentz. But I’d say so, yes. I’m referring to athletes like Banwarth who played lib at Nebraska for her 4 years (Ik she didn’t start freshmen year) and that was really her only position, so she’s literally been TRAINING left back defense her whole life. Did that help? No but w/e. I realize she isn’t on the NT anymo, it’s just an example of someone who has specialized in solely passing and defense for years Was she starting because of her defense (left back or otherwise)? I don't think she brought the Zone 5 defense you're looking for either, she was just a really excellent passer. I think she also hit in HS FWIW.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 25, 2020 17:47:17 GMT -5
Coming next season to Netflix: True Liberos
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Post by libro on Apr 25, 2020 17:51:22 GMT -5
Neither was Hentz. But I’d say so, yes. I’m referring to athletes like Banwarth who played lib at Nebraska for her 4 years (Ik she didn’t start freshmen year) and that was really her only position, so she’s literally been TRAINING left back defense her whole life. Did that help? No but w/e. I realize she isn’t on the NT anymo, it’s just an example of someone who has specialized in solely passing and defense for years Was she starting because of her defense (left back or otherwise)? I don't think she brought the Zone 5 defense you're looking for either, she was just a really excellent passer. I think she also hit in HS FWIW. No, for some reason training in 5 all that time did not translate. Karch will undoubtedly pick the best SR, but I just want him to consider having a relentless defender on the court. For once.
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Post by libro on Apr 25, 2020 17:51:52 GMT -5
Coming next season to Netflix: True Liberos This is hilarious. Might photoshop it with the real title and pictures of all contending liberos lol
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 25, 2020 17:53:54 GMT -5
Was she starting because of her defense (left back or otherwise)? I don't think she brought the Zone 5 defense you're looking for either, she was just a really excellent passer. I think she also hit in HS FWIW. No, for some reason training in 5 all that time did not translate. Karch will undoubtedly pick the best SR, but I just want him to consider having a relentless defender on the court. For once. And that doesn't have anything to do with being a "true" Libero, or being someone with the height/athleticism to play outside before the highest international levels. And in fact, the length/athleticism of someone who played outside before is probably an advantage in the position.
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Post by libro on Apr 25, 2020 17:56:26 GMT -5
No, for some reason training in 5 all that time did not translate. Karch will undoubtedly pick the best SR, but I just want him to consider having a relentless defender on the court. For once. And that doesn't have anything to do with being a "true" Libero, or being someone with the height/athleticism to play outside before the highest international levels. And in fact, the length/athleticism of someone who played outside before is probably an advantage in the position. Well his outside hitter converts are not relentless defenders in 6 let alone 5. True liberos gobble tips up IMO u can be 5’5 and and a far better defender. Ask Megan Courtney who is 6’2 abt picking up a tip. Or KRob
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Post by Wichsen on Apr 25, 2020 17:57:54 GMT -5
You think option D is the farthest from reality? We have a few players who have proven they can do more than one think and with option D it would allow Robinson to step in if there was a problem at libero that outweighed needing her at OH, And with 2 oppos we should be safe to bet at least one of the, will show up, if not, MBH showed she can perform on the opp too. Ik im a Stanford fan and this is just a hope but if Plummer was good enough by then and develops fast enough than do you think there could be a possibility he takes 2 oppos/ 3 OHs and Plummer as a swing for both positions? I think it would be good to have someone who best attribute is putting the ball down with force, Drew’s has some power but other than that this USA team doesn’t have a whole lot of heavy hitters. Ik it’s pretty much wishful thinking, but if she was good enough I think that would be a reasonable option. If I am not mistaken...only one player per match at the Olympics CAN be suited up as the libero. Does anyone know or recall a match where there were two libero's that were interchangeable DURING a match? I think one can be a defensive specialist but could then become the libero in the following match(s). Am I correct? If so then your argument that Robinson can just sub in for the libero during a match is flawed. She will either go as the libero or as an OH and then have to transition to the libero before the start of a new match. I bet kiraly won't snub the best OH he has right now. I mean if you can check the OH line up we have these 4 veterans on the same level! 2019 vnl, olympic qualification and world cup does matter but if you look at the roster of most of the team they did not sent the best roster the have. 2019 was not good for hill in National team. But if you look at how these 4 OH performing in their club team right now. Hill is on the top of that list playing almost every match against the best teams or players. In fact if we Getting 3 oh and 1 libero isn't a good idea. Jwo is inexperience and the level of play and environment in olympic is totally different and i don't think any libero we have right now are actually ready for this. If jwo isn't performing well, who else will sub her? Get 4 OH is the best option we have. And i don't think bringing plummer is the best idea. Considering you have hill who can actually deliver.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 25, 2020 17:58:25 GMT -5
Coming next season to Netflix: True Liberos This is hilarious. Might photoshop it with the real title and pictures of all contending liberos lol Feel free. Photoshop art is not in my wheelhouse.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 25, 2020 18:00:54 GMT -5
And that doesn't have anything to do with being a "true" Libero, or being someone with the height/athleticism to play outside before the highest international levels. And in fact, the length/athleticism of someone who played outside before is probably an advantage in the position. Well his outside hitter converts are not relentless defenders in 6 let alone 5. True liberos gobble tips up IMO u can be 5’5 and and a far better defender. Ask Megan Courtney who is 6’2 abt picking up a tip. Or KRob Ask Nicole Davis? Did Mary Lake do a great job at that?
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Post by libro on Apr 25, 2020 18:03:50 GMT -5
Well his outside hitter converts are not relentless defenders in 6 let alone 5. True liberos gobble tips up IMO u can be 5’5 and and a far better defender. Ask Megan Courtney who is 6’2 abt picking up a tip. Or KRob Ask Nicole Davis? Did Mary Lake do a great job at that? We don’t speak of that being. Everything she touched turned to ash. Mary lake actually isn’t horrible at picking tips up yet, she sees it, she just slow right now
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Post by n00b on Apr 25, 2020 19:28:15 GMT -5
If I am not mistaken...only one player per match at the Olympics CAN be suited up as the libero. Does anyone know or recall a match where there were two libero's that were interchangeable DURING a match? I think one can be a defensive specialist but could then become the libero in the following match(s). Am I correct? If so then your argument that Robinson can just sub in for the libero during a match is flawed. She will either go as the libero or as an OH and then have to transition to the libero before the start of a new match. You are mistaken. The Olympics follow FIVB rules, and those rules allow for two players to suit up as libero. In fact, they specify that if the team roster is more than 12 players, the team *must* have two liberos. The Olympic roster is only 12, so that means teams are not required to have two liberos. I'm not sure this rule was in effect in 2016. www.fivb.org/EN/Refereeing-Rules/documents/FIVB-Volleyball_Rules_2017-2020-EN-v06.pdfRule 19. Right. But you can't change liberos within a match. If JWO starts the match at libero, it doesn't make sense to have Robinson wear the libero jersey because then she can't play as an attacker. So the theory of being able to put Robinson in at libero if JWO is struggling isn't a realistic scenario.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 25, 2020 19:46:32 GMT -5
You are mistaken. The Olympics follow FIVB rules, and those rules allow for two players to suit up as libero. In fact, they specify that if the team roster is more than 12 players, the team *must* have two liberos. The Olympic roster is only 12, so that means teams are not required to have two liberos. I'm not sure this rule was in effect in 2016. www.fivb.org/EN/Refereeing-Rules/documents/FIVB-Volleyball_Rules_2017-2020-EN-v06.pdfRule 19. Right. But you can't change liberos within a match. If JWO starts the match at libero, it doesn't make sense to have Robinson wear the libero jersey because then she can't play as an attacker. So the theory of being able to put Robinson in at libero if JWO is struggling isn't a realistic scenario. Yes you can. You can change them on the court as long as there has been a rally since you last made a libero change. The whole idea to having two is that you can specialize one for serve receive and one for when your team is serving.
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