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Post by azvb on Apr 27, 2020 15:36:12 GMT -5
If you sat down and showed me video of why she has technical weaknesses, that would in fact be an opinion. It is very likely and probably a certainty I would agree with you but that would be us sharing the same opinion. She forms her platform at her midline (habitually) and then swings it left. That causes her to be late with her platform and she shanks the ball sideways. If she formed her platform on her left, she'd cut off the ball and, at worst, it'd go directly upwards, but more likely she'd get towards her target. This is just one among a plethora of examples. You can think it's an opinion if you like - but that's what she does. I will add, since the semantic police are lurking, I'm sure, that this is very common among OHs and she isn't always late when she does it. But on the balls like this one, outside her body, it's often why she gets beat when she shouldn't. Therefore it's a technical issue. I just want to say that was an impressive hit.
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Post by libro on Apr 27, 2020 15:37:44 GMT -5
Somebody roll the Brenda Castillo highlights so we can see how a real libero gets it done I was genuinely depressed when I heard about her accident and injury. She is quality that I enjoy watching so much
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Post by trojansc on Apr 27, 2020 15:51:20 GMT -5
Somebody roll the Brenda Castillo highlights so we can see how a real libero gets it done I was genuinely depressed when I heard about her accident and injury. She is quality that I enjoy watching so much The worst part about that is she wasn’t even 100% after post-pregnancy before the accident (obviously) but the accident didn’t help much. She’s still not 100%. Her style of play would not gel well with USAV. She’s too aggressive.
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Post by libro on Apr 27, 2020 16:01:13 GMT -5
I was genuinely depressed when I heard about her accident and injury. She is quality that I enjoy watching so much The worst part about that is she wasn’t even 100% after post-pregnancy before the accident (obviously) but the accident didn’t help much. She’s still not 100%. Her style of play would not gel well with USAV. She’s too aggressive. I want aggressive😩 (not sexually wow) but that type of play needs to be implemented in the US. You know it can still be an efficiently run system with an aggressive lib
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Post by jwvolley on Apr 27, 2020 16:04:19 GMT -5
The worst part about that is she wasn’t even 100% after post-pregnancy before the accident (obviously) but the accident didn’t help much. She’s still not 100%. Her style of play would not gel well with USAV. She’s too aggressive. I want aggressive😩 (not sexually wow) ...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 16:32:38 GMT -5
FWIW, I am open to the idea that there's value in the cue, even if it doesn't necessarily appear to be happening. Ex: it's pretty clear that "wrist snap" doesn't necessarily happen (at least, not often, not by most of the hardest hitters, and not in the way it was taught to me when I was a player), but it does seem to help some players to think of snapping over top of the ball. Since the difference between a dig and shank might only be a couple inches, it's entirely possible that connecting your hands 4" outside midline instead of right on midline could make the difference between a dig and not. I personally feel like it's faster to just connect on midline and go from there, but there's enough variation in how it's done at the highest levels that it's not totally settled in my mind. I absolutely agree that it doesn't need to be dramatic in order to improve the contact. 4" off the midline would significantly reduce the reaction time and result in less of a swing (which, aside from taking longer, also increases the chances of an inconsistent contact). Here is an example of Mako Kobata connecting her hands outside of her midline and digging a ball down the line: I'll also freely admit that Kobata's split step gives leaves her well balanced, since posters mentioned Courtney's balance was an issue in the the other play. But in terms of independent arms, see how late she is to connect her hands and where she forms her platform. Kobata uses that extra time to read and react, allowing her to cut the ball off with her platform instead of swinging out to meet it. I agree there's still a degree of variation at the highest level but particularly working with younger Liberos, it feels as though this is the way things are trending.
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Post by libro on Apr 27, 2020 16:48:05 GMT -5
FWIW, I am open to the idea that there's value in the cue, even if it doesn't necessarily appear to be happening. Ex: it's pretty clear that "wrist snap" doesn't necessarily happen (at least, not often, not by most of the hardest hitters, and not in the way it was taught to me when I was a player), but it does seem to help some players to think of snapping over top of the ball. Since the difference between a dig and shank might only be a couple inches, it's entirely possible that connecting your hands 4" outside midline instead of right on midline could make the difference between a dig and not. I personally feel like it's faster to just connect on midline and go from there, but there's enough variation in how it's done at the highest levels that it's not totally settled in my mind. I absolutely agree that it doesn't need to be dramatic in order to improve the contact. 4" off the midline would significantly reduce the reaction time and result in less of a swing (which, aside from taking longer, also increases the chances of an inconsistent contact). Here is an example of Mako Kobata connecting her hands outside of her midline and digging a ball down the line: I'll also freely admit that Kobata's split step gives leaves her well balanced, since posters mentioned Courtney's balance was an issue in the the other play. But in terms of independent arms, see how late she is to connect her hands and where she forms her platform. Kobata uses that extra time to read and react, allowing her to cut the ball off with her platform instead of swinging out to meet it. I agree there's still a degree of variation at the highest level but particularly working with younger Liberos, it feels as though this is the way things are trending. Is this considered line 2 defense? Sheila’s ball is hit within 1-2 feet of the sideline, but Mako isn’t exactly on her line
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 27, 2020 16:52:56 GMT -5
That simply suggests she didn't read the play very well. Arguing that the player's technique should carry her through the play when the defensive positioning is set by the hitter's tendencies rather than the actual play itself is substantially more of a philosophical argument than an issue of technique. Everything we do with a game plan is based on scouting and film study. The reason why she's being given so much line is because her favorite shot is cross court. If the hitter is given that much lineby the block, you don't want to be playing right on the line because the hitter would rather hit second line in the play (it's a higher percentage vs this block). So you, as the defender, take second line and force the hitter to paint the sideline. The read Courtney makes is a good one. She's just late with her platform - partly as has been mentioned - because she's not balanced - but also because of where/when she connects her hands. If the block was stopping her hitting second line, you'd be right though, Courtney would be playing line in that situation. I appreciate the discussion. I'm not trying to change your mind or win this discussion. I do think that sometimes you seem to treat your own conclusions as fact or inalienable truth, rather than an informed opinion with other possibilities. I mean that statement solely as an observation about your style of argumentation, and not as a slam, and I hope you'll receive it that way.
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Post by joetrinsey on Apr 27, 2020 17:30:39 GMT -5
@bwf2 nice clip, thanks for sharing. There's a little bit of a terminology gap too, because I don't see that as totally independent arms and I do see her left arm coming back toward the midline before the right joins it. But... it also clearly joins a bit off the midline. And, as you said, that could be a worthwhile difference. Sweet dig. n00b I use Movavi Screen Recorder and just capture a portion of my screen while I play the clips. There might be a better way to do it, but it works for me.
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Post by vbfamily on Apr 27, 2020 17:52:39 GMT -5
Haven’t been on VT much during the pandemic, still hoping for players at all levels to get back safely on the court! I love this discussion, I teach a lot of independent arms (especially on defense) being prepared to form your platform outside your midline. Try to explain to players to learn this early when the ball is slower, you’ll have more success as it comes faster and harder. Love seeing it on video at this level, will capture these, thx!
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Post by rogero1 on Apr 27, 2020 18:06:06 GMT -5
FWIW, I am open to the idea that there's value in the cue, even if it doesn't necessarily appear to be happening. Ex: it's pretty clear that "wrist snap" doesn't necessarily happen (at least, not often, not by most of the hardest hitters, and not in the way it was taught to me when I was a player), but it does seem to help some players to think of snapping over top of the ball. Since the difference between a dig and shank might only be a couple inches, it's entirely possible that connecting your hands 4" outside midline instead of right on midline could make the difference between a dig and not. I personally feel like it's faster to just connect on midline and go from there, but there's enough variation in how it's done at the highest levels that it's not totally settled in my mind. I absolutely agree that it doesn't need to be dramatic in order to improve the contact. 4" off the midline would significantly reduce the reaction time and result in less of a swing (which, aside from taking longer, also increases the chances of an inconsistent contact). Here is an example of Mako Kobata connecting her hands outside of her midline and digging a ball down the line: I'll also freely admit that Kobata's split step gives leaves her well balanced, since posters mentioned Courtney's balance was an issue in the the other play. But in terms of independent arms, see how late she is to connect her hands and where she forms her platform. Kobata uses that extra time to read and react, allowing her to cut the ball off with her platform instead of swinging out to meet it. I agree there's still a degree of variation at the highest level but particularly working with younger Liberos, it feels as though this is the way things are trending. We have a former Japanese NT libero at our club who teaches split arms.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 18:51:52 GMT -5
Haven’t been on VT much during the pandemic, still hoping for players at all levels to get back safely on the court! I love this discussion, I teach a lot of independent arms (especially on defense) being prepared to form your platform outside your midline. Try to explain to players to learn this early when the ball is slower, you’ll have more success as it comes faster and harder. Love seeing it on video at this level, will capture these, thx! My pleasure. It's always good to see you pop up in a conversation about the position. I hope you and your family are well.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 27, 2020 19:29:19 GMT -5
@bwf2 nice clip, thanks for sharing. There's a little bit of a terminology gap too, because I don't see that as totally independent arms and I do see her left arm coming back toward the midline before the right joins it. But... it also clearly joins a bit off the midline. And, as you said, that could be a worthwhile difference. Sweet dig. n00b I use Movavi Screen Recorder and just capture a portion of my screen while I play the clips. There might be a better way to do it, but it works for me. I see the movement the same way too. Developing the platform is coincident (to the degree possible) with the first movement towards the direction of the ball. Something similar happens on serve receive in tennis, for example.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 20:50:01 GMT -5
I absolutely agree that it doesn't need to be dramatic in order to improve the contact. 4" off the midline would significantly reduce the reaction time and result in less of a swing (which, aside from taking longer, also increases the chances of an inconsistent contact). Here is an example of Mako Kobata connecting her hands outside of her midline and digging a ball down the line: I'll also freely admit that Kobata's split step gives leaves her well balanced, since posters mentioned Courtney's balance was an issue in the the other play. But in terms of independent arms, see how late she is to connect her hands and where she forms her platform. Kobata uses that extra time to read and react, allowing her to cut the ball off with her platform instead of swinging out to meet it. I agree there's still a degree of variation at the highest level but particularly working with younger Liberos, it feels as though this is the way things are trending. Is this considered line 2 defense? Sheila’s ball is hit within 1-2 feet of the sideline, but Mako isn’t exactly on her line Correct, she's playing second line for the same reason Courtney was in the first clip; the block is leaving a lot of line. When there's that much line available to the hitter, the line defender usually sets up in second line.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 19:50:33 GMT -5
Did anyone notice that Morgan Hentz was on USAV's recent Instagram story about how to train with out a ball? They interviewed most of the active roster and I was pleasantly surprised to see her included, like she was already on the training roster. I mean this could be assumed since she was invited to the spring training block but she just as easily could have been cut.
Also what's up with various players being in California and quarantining together (Drews and Dixon). Could the team be in pre-training quarantine before getting together? Anyone got any deets?
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