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Post by trojansc on May 10, 2020 15:57:02 GMT -5
Name them. Go ahead and educate the masses, chosen one. I won't list the best 3 for the positions, because that would be difficult to decide, but I will list all those who are definitely better ATM than any US player on that position. Opp: Boskovic, Egonu, Haak (and arguably Goncharova when in good form, as well as Smarzek and Lippman) MB: Eda Erdem, Yuan, Veljkovic, Robin de Kruijf (as well as arguably Yan Ni, Fetisova and maybe even Thaisa still) Setter: Maja Ognjenovic, Joana Wolocz, Naz Aydemir OH: this is the one you can most plausible argue that any American is closest, but that's because it's really, really packed with only the top 2 clear. Zhu and Gabi are definitely better than any American atm, and then how you rank KRob, Larson, Hill, Mihajlovic, KYK, Natalia, Voronkova, Sylla, Karakurt, Stysiak, Geerties, and half a dozen others is personal taste, but I don't think the 3rd is any of the American. Do you know this girl? I have to think she is one of the best pin hitters that could be versatility utilized by many nations/clubs.
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Post by ace35 on May 10, 2020 15:58:56 GMT -5
She has. You should have watched the club season. It was...sad, for such a titan.
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Post by fanbase on May 10, 2020 16:00:20 GMT -5
Name them. Go ahead and educate the masses, chosen one. I won't list the best 3 for the positions, because that would be difficult to decide, but I will list all those who are definitely better ATM than any US player on that position. Opp: Boskovic, Egonu, Haak (and arguably Goncharova when in good form, as well as Smarzek and Lippman) MB: Eda Erdem, Yuan, Veljkovic, Robin de Kruijf (as well as arguably Yan Ni, Fetisova and maybe even Thaisa still) Setter: Maja Ognjenovic, Joana Wolocz, Ding Xia, Naz Aydemir OH: this is the one you can most plausible argue that any American is closest, but that's because it's really, really packed with only the top 2 clear. Zhu and Gabi are definitely better than any American atm, and then how you rank KRob, Larson, Hill, MBH, Mihajlovic, KYK, Natalia, Voronkova, Sylla, Karakurt, Stysiak, Geerties, and half a dozen others is personal taste, but I don't think the 3rd is any of the American. Didn’t MBH start over Gabi for Vakif vs Eciz? She eventually got subbed out but I’m pretty positive she started over her.
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Post by ace35 on May 10, 2020 16:02:00 GMT -5
I won't list the best 3 for the positions, because that would be difficult to decide, but I will list all those who are definitely better ATM than any US player on that position. Opp: Boskovic, Egonu, Haak (and arguably Goncharova when in good form, as well as Smarzek and Lippman) MB: Eda Erdem, Yuan, Veljkovic, Robin de Kruijf (as well as arguably Yan Ni, Fetisova and maybe even Thaisa still) Setter: Maja Ognjenovic, Joana Wolocz, Naz Aydemir OH: this is the one you can most plausible argue that any American is closest, but that's because it's really, really packed with only the top 2 clear. Zhu and Gabi are definitely better than any American atm, and then how you rank KRob, Larson, Hill, Mihajlovic, KYK, Natalia, Voronkova, Sylla, Karakurt, Stysiak, Geerties, and half a dozen others is personal taste, but I don't think the 3rd is any of the American. Do you know this girl? I have to think she is one of the best pin hitters that could be versatility utilized by many nations/clubs. Sorry, I just couldn't list everybody deserving of a mention. But yes, she is up there. As well as Melissa Vargas.
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Post by ace35 on May 10, 2020 16:07:51 GMT -5
I won't list the best 3 for the positions, because that would be difficult to decide, but I will list all those who are definitely better ATM than any US player on that position. Opp: Boskovic, Egonu, Haak (and arguably Goncharova when in good form, as well as Smarzek and Lippman) MB: Eda Erdem, Yuan, Veljkovic, Robin de Kruijf (as well as arguably Yan Ni, Fetisova and maybe even Thaisa still) Setter: Maja Ognjenovic, Joana Wolocz, Ding Xia, Naz Aydemir OH: this is the one you can most plausible argue that any American is closest, but that's because it's really, really packed with only the top 2 clear. Zhu and Gabi are definitely better than any American atm, and then how you rank KRob, Larson, Hill, MBH, Mihajlovic, KYK, Natalia, Voronkova, Sylla, Karakurt, Stysiak, Geerties, and half a dozen others is personal taste, but I don't think the 3rd is any of the American. Didn’t MBH start over Gabi for Vakif vs Eciz? She eventually got subbed out but I’m pretty positive she started over her. With Gui, it's not quite so simple as who started in what match. Canzu Ozbay played in just over half of the matches, Maja in just under a half. Would you claim Cansu is a better setter? Besides, which match? The last one, they both played, approximately the same amount of time. Like I said, with Gui, the concept of starting is close to irrelevant. Gabi was the second best OH of the Turkish league, just behind Ebrar (but overall, on the level of the last 2 years, Gabi is #2 OH in the world behind Zhu).
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Post by trojansc on May 10, 2020 16:17:17 GMT -5
Sorry, I just couldn't list everybody deserving of a mention. But yes, she is up there. As well as Melissa Vargas. Yeah, but when I saw names like Stysiak, Sylla,, and Karakurt.... i think Brayelin is clearly ahead of those players.
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Post by ace35 on May 10, 2020 16:24:20 GMT -5
Sorry, I just couldn't list everybody deserving of a mention. But yes, she is up there. As well as Melissa Vargas. Yeah, but when I saw names like Stysiak, Sylla,, and Karakurt.... i think Brayelin is clearly ahead of those players. For now, maybe, if just so. But at the rate Karakurt and Stysiak are advancing...
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Post by trojansc on May 10, 2020 16:30:58 GMT -5
Yeah, but when I saw names like Stysiak, Sylla,, and Karakurt.... i think Brayelin is clearly ahead of those players. For now, maybe, if just so. But at the rate Karakurt and Stysiak are advancing... Karakurt is advancing at an impressive rate? But Stysiak yes - definitely an exciting “up and coming” player
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Post by ace35 on May 10, 2020 16:37:59 GMT -5
For now, maybe, if just so. But at the rate Karakurt and Stysiak are advancing... Karakurt is advancing at an impressive rate? But Stysiak yes - definitely an exciting “up and coming” player Yes. Like I said, she was far and away the best OH of the Turkish league in this season, which was reflected by getting selected for Dream Team.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 17:18:33 GMT -5
Karakurt is advancing at an impressive rate? But Stysiak yes - definitely an exciting “up and coming” player Yes. Like I said, she was far and away the best OH of the Turkish league in this season, which was reflected by getting selected for Dream Team. Karakurt isn't even the best outside on her team....
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Post by fanbase on May 10, 2020 17:21:48 GMT -5
Karakurt is advancing at an impressive rate? But Stysiak yes - definitely an exciting “up and coming” player Yes. Like I said, she was far and away the best OH of the Turkish league in this season, which was reflected by getting selected for Dream Team. I’m pretty positive she barely played since MBH joined Vakif. It looked like she was #4 on the depth chart behind MBH, Gabi and Meliha
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Post by fanbase on May 10, 2020 17:24:29 GMT -5
Didn’t MBH start over Gabi for Vakif vs Eciz? She eventually got subbed out but I’m pretty positive she started over her. With Gui, it's not quite so simple as who started in what match. Canzu Ozbay played in just over half of the matches, Maja in just under a half. Would you claim Cansu is a better setter? Besides, which match? The last one, they both played, approximately the same amount of time. Like I said, with Gui, the concept of starting is close to irrelevant. Gabi was the second best OH of the Turkish league, just behind Ebrar (but overall, on the level of the last 2 years, Gabi is #2 OH in the world behind Zhu). Cansu played because she is Turkish. She’s obviously not better than Maja. However, both MBH and Gabi are international. Last match against Eciz, Guidetti started Haak at Opp, Maja at setter, leaving only one other international spot which went to MBH directly over Gabi. The reason they split the time because MBH was having a bad game and got subbed out, but she got the nod in the first place.
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Post by ace35 on May 10, 2020 17:31:22 GMT -5
With Gui, it's not quite so simple as who started in what match. Canzu Ozbay played in just over half of the matches, Maja in just under a half. Would you claim Cansu is a better setter? Besides, which match? The last one, they both played, approximately the same amount of time. Like I said, with Gui, the concept of starting is close to irrelevant. Gabi was the second best OH of the Turkish league, just behind Ebrar (but overall, on the level of the last 2 years, Gabi is #2 OH in the world behind Zhu). Cansu played because she is Turkish. She’s obviously not better than Maja. However, both MBH and Gabi are international. Last match against Eciz, Guidetti started Haak at Opp, Maja at setter, leaving only one other international spot which went to MBH directly over Gabi. The reason they split the time because MBH was having a bad game and got subbed out, but she got the nod in the first place. Like I said, in Gui's system, it's irrelevant who starts.
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Post by ace35 on May 10, 2020 17:33:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 17:36:06 GMT -5
oh ive seen it.... it lists Lauren Gibbemeyer.... pretty much all we need to know about the list...
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