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Post by trojansc on Jul 1, 2020 22:52:32 GMT -5
Just in case you are curious, here's the receiving performance of our outside hitters and liberos - 45.1% Banwarth (152-19/295) 37.1% Wong-Orantes (151-22/348) 34.9% Courtney (216-26/544) 32.9% Larson (442-59/1163) 31.2% Robinson (373-44/1054) 29.3% Kingdon (93-18/256) 29.1% Hill (376-61/1017) 27.5% Bartshc-Hackley (343-63/1017) 10.6% Foecke (42-16/246) 08.4% Wilhite (28-15/155) So JWO is our best Libero option then? Aaand how long have I been saying that?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 22:53:19 GMT -5
So JWO is our best Libero option then? Aaand how long have I been saying that? well Courtney had a lot more attempts and barely any more errors. If only she can dig a ball
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 22:57:36 GMT -5
USA [Larson-Bartsch-Drews-Robinson]SPI: 29.3% (1636-488/3915) BLO: -19.3% (172-361/980) SER: -1.3% (152-177/1982) REC: 30.6% (1158-167/3236) We remain as the second best receiving team, but became the second BEST spiking team. What a turnaround. (I am aware that switching stats in my spreadsheet is an overly simplistic way to assess the change, but it's better than nothing.) Robinson should be the starting libero. [Side note: Karch should really work on the net defense of our wing hitters. Worst blocking efficiency among the top six teams, with ITA and CHN on top. Our OHs were outblocked by the little giant named Lucia Bosetti.] I am all about this. I actually think this line-up gives us the best chance at a medal. I would have Hill, Thompson and Plummer on the bench ready to make an impact if the offensive output becomes an issue. I am curious about one thing though. That little bit about the USA being one of the worst pin blocking teams of the teams listed. I wonder if this has anything to do with the "read and react" blocking system Karch inforces? At least that's what several of the top FIVB commentators mention when speaking about the USA along with the fast offense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 22:58:11 GMT -5
When did Kayla Banwarth become KGB? I’m so lost. Erm, probably since birth. Kayla Grace Banwarth. Everyone knows her as KGB.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 22:59:32 GMT -5
So JWO is our best Libero option then? Aaand how long have I been saying that? Oh me too. Except I just didn't look at any actual data. I can only imagine how much better she would have been if Karch had let her stick out the 2018 season instead of relying on Robinson and Courtney. But the fact that she didn't play over seas until last season also is a factor. Just not enough money in it.
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Post by vup on Jul 1, 2020 23:00:43 GMT -5
When did Kayla Banwarth become KGB? I’m so lost. Erm, probably since birth. Kayla Grace Banwarth. Everyone knows her as KGB. Except us poor and lowly common folk.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 23:04:28 GMT -5
Erm, probably since birth. Kayla Grace Banwarth. Everyone knows her as KGB. Except us poor and lowly common folk. Well, every day is a school day!
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Post by reformate on Jul 1, 2020 23:39:25 GMT -5
There's a thread comparing our setters with the setters from other national teams. I replied on that thread with the stats, so might as well do the same here for liberos.
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DIGGING: Wang (88%), Popovic (87%), and Kobata/Leia (85%) had the highest digging success rates (1-error rate). Robinson was at 86%, but note that her digging stats were made mostly as an OH which generally guards a different area on the court. Along with the Kenyan libero (67%), Courtney (80%) and Kim HR/Wong-Orantes (79%) had the lowest digging success rates.
RECEIVING: Kobata/Castillo (39%) and Kim HR/Wong-Orantes (37%) had the highest receiving efficiencies. Courtney (35%) in the upper half, while Robinson (31%) in the bottom half.
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It's quite interesting that JWO's stats closely resembles that of Kim Haeran. It's like having our own Korean libero. Banwarth was similar to JWO/Courtney - an excellent receiver, but a poor digger. Robinson may be the answer to our perennial incomplete libero problem.
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Post by n00b on Jul 1, 2020 23:39:29 GMT -5
Aaand how long have I been saying that? Oh me too. Except I just didn't look at any actual data. I can only imagine how much better she would have been if Karch had let her stick out the 2018 season instead of relying on Robinson and Courtney. But the fact that she didn't play over seas until last season also is a factor. Just not enough money in it. I can only imagine how much better she'd be if she played pro ball in more than one of the three seasons leading up to Tokyo. The problem with those composite stats is that they are heavily influenced by level of competition. Our backups crush tier 2 national teams. All that should matter for the US is performance against teams that will compete for medals next summer. The top 8 in the world right now are China, Brazil, Italy, Turkey, Serbia, Japan, Russian. Since May 16, 2018, JWO has exactly 9 serve receive attempts in 22 USA matches against those 7 teams (somehow, fewer than Gabby Curry). Why do I pick that date? That was when JWO started at libero in the Bob Devaney Center against Turkey, was served 66 times, and USA lost in 5 to kick of the VNL. To think she's our answer to medal next year is insane to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 23:42:30 GMT -5
Oh me too. Except I just didn't look at any actual data. I can only imagine how much better she would have been if Karch had let her stick out the 2018 season instead of relying on Robinson and Courtney. But the fact that she didn't play over seas until last season also is a factor. Just not enough money in it. I can only imagine how much better she'd be if she played pro ball in more than one of the three seasons leading up to Tokyo. The problem with those composite stats is that they are heavily influenced by level of competition. Our backups crush tier 2 national teams. All that should matter for the US is performance against teams that will compete for medals next summer. The top 8 in the world right now are China, Brazil, Italy, Turkey, Serbia, Japan, Russian. Since May 16, 2018, JWO has exactly 9 serve receive attempts in 22 USA matches against those 7 teams (somehow, fewer than Gabby Curry). Why do I pick that date? That was when JWO started at libero in the Bob Devaney Center against Turkey, was served 66 times, and USA lost in 5 to kick of the VNL. To think she's our answer to medal next year is insane to me. Oh Robinson is the best choice hands down. I just wonder if she will be open to serving the team in that facet again?
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Post by n00b on Jul 1, 2020 23:46:36 GMT -5
I can only imagine how much better she'd be if she played pro ball in more than one of the three seasons leading up to Tokyo. The problem with those composite stats is that they are heavily influenced by level of competition. Our backups crush tier 2 national teams. All that should matter for the US is performance against teams that will compete for medals next summer. The top 8 in the world right now are China, Brazil, Italy, Turkey, Serbia, Japan, Russian. Since May 16, 2018, JWO has exactly 9 serve receive attempts in 22 USA matches against those 7 teams (somehow, fewer than Gabby Curry). Why do I pick that date? That was when JWO started at libero in the Bob Devaney Center against Turkey, was served 66 times, and USA lost in 5 to kick of the VNL. To think she's our answer to medal next year is insane to me. Oh Robinson is the best choice hands down. I just wonder if she will be open to serving the team in that facet again? I think we know that answer. But I think Courtney gives us a better chance than JWO. For what it's worth, in the 22 matches we played against those top 8 teams since the start of the 2018 World Championships, Courtney was at 59.9% Good Pass. Below Robinson, but better than Larson.
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Post by reformate on Jul 2, 2020 0:07:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I used the stats as old as 2016 as an attempt to dilute the effect of opponent skill level on the stats. It's not perfect though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 0:25:15 GMT -5
Oh Robinson is the best choice hands down. I just wonder if she will be open to serving the team in that facet again? I think we know that answer. But I think Courtney gives us a better chance than JWO. For what it's worth, in the 22 matches we played against those top 8 teams since the start of the 2018 World Championships, Courtney was at 59.9% Good Pass. Below Robinson, but better than Larson. We need a libero that can dig and cover tips. Courtney is abysmal at tip coverage. Robinson isn't much better. We need a true libero that reads the game like one, not as an OH. That's why JWO is all we have at the moment. USA needs more transition opportunities. I think JWO gives us more overall. To me that is more valuable than just being able to pass. Karch clearly doesn't think so. He has too much faith in his system which is truly sad.
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Post by n00b on Jul 2, 2020 0:31:54 GMT -5
I think we know that answer. But I think Courtney gives us a better chance than JWO. For what it's worth, in the 22 matches we played against those top 8 teams since the start of the 2018 World Championships, Courtney was at 59.9% Good Pass. Below Robinson, but better than Larson. We need a libero that can dig and cover tips. Courtney is abysmal at tip coverage. Robinson isn't much better. We need a true libero that reads the game like one, not as an OH. That's why JWO is all we have at the moment. USA needs more transition opportunities. I think JWO gives us more overall. To me that is more valuable than just being able to pass. Karch clearly doesn't think so. He has too much faith in his system which is truly sad. We have no clue what JWO can do, because she has zero experience against good national teams. (Or good pro teams for that matter, seeing as she was a backup in the German league) If defense and digging tips is what matters, Hentz is already above JWO. For the record, I do think those things are important, but serve receive is still more important. Not to the extent that Karch does, but passing is still more important.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 1:35:47 GMT -5
We need a libero that can dig and cover tips. Courtney is abysmal at tip coverage. Robinson isn't much better. We need a true libero that reads the game like one, not as an OH. That's why JWO is all we have at the moment. USA needs more transition opportunities. I think JWO gives us more overall. To me that is more valuable than just being able to pass. Karch clearly doesn't think so. He has too much faith in his system which is truly sad. We have no clue what JWO can do, because she has zero experience against good national teams. (Or good pro teams for that matter, seeing as she was a backup in the German league) If defense and digging tips is what matters, Hentz is already above JWO. For the record, I do think those things are important, but serve receive is still more important. Not to the extent that Karch does, but passing is still more important. #freemorganhentz2021 If she can rise up and steal that position I think many on here would be all about it. Now I realize that that is very BIG if. She would be making her NT debut in May and then in just two short months make the Olympic team. That would be almost too insane....even for an Olympic success story right?
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