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Post by Murina on Apr 15, 2020 21:08:34 GMT -5
I wonder if USAV would ever consider Luka Slabe to take over the helm as head coach?I wonder what changes he would implement given full control of the program? Therein lies the problem. I think that ever since Lang Ping left the team there has been an extreme top-to-bottom emphasis on system (and one derived from men's volleyball -- both head coaches we've had since her were both really men's coaches). If there's a coach that doesn't love the current USAV style of play, they're probably not coaching anywhere within USA Volleyball. Stone seems to have some heretical opinions on how to develop players.
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Post by libro on Apr 15, 2020 21:11:17 GMT -5
I’ve listened to fellow volleytalkers and watched the ‘revelation’ that was KROB as lib in 2018 and my thoughts: Thank god carli Lloyd is out of NT picture I had to say that first and foremost. As for KRob I’m just not sold still. I cannot have a libero that 3 passes two in a row and then shanks the next. Too inconsistent for me to not make it up with some tenacious and stable defense. I only feel that inconsistency happens cuz she’s served nearly EVERY BALL when she’s in the diff jersey. When MBH or hill is out there, that seam between them and KRob is GOLDEN. I just need a libero libero. Not an outside libero. EDIT: I will admit, she’s very good at passing balls to her right off midline, something nearly every passer has challenges with
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Post by n00b on Apr 15, 2020 21:43:26 GMT -5
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 15, 2020 22:01:48 GMT -5
Is there another American coach that would be a viable option to replace Karch? Is that even a reality? He, once again, seems to be the problem. Though I do think that as long as the USA continues to medal his job is more than secure. Possibly unpopular opinion but I don't really feel like his first quad was the failure everyone seems to think it was. 13-15 fifth set loss in the semis with our best middle injured doesn't scream terrible to me. Post Rio has been a different story, but there have at least been some clearly necessary cuts that took place (sorry Lloyd, Gibby and Murph). Do we really want to put Robinson in that position to get roofed again? (lol jk jk, I know she's much improved). Yeah, I agree. I mean, they won a medal. Even without any caveats for injury and whatnot, it's hard to classify that as a failure for an American team sport in anything other than basketball (men's and women's), women's gymnastics, and maybe women's soccer (the European teams are closing the gap in a hurry). And the truth is, the current cycle can't be judged until we see what happens at the Olympics.
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Post by Murina on Apr 15, 2020 22:03:41 GMT -5
EDIT: I will admit, she’s very good at passing balls to her right off midline, something nearly every passer has challenges withIts mind boggling that more people don't recognize this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 22:33:16 GMT -5
EDIT: I will admit, she’s very good at passing balls to her right off midline, something nearly every passer has challenges withIts mind boggling that more people don't recognize this. Agree with both of you. We should coach girls to be comfortable taking balls outside their body because that allows them to adjust when a float serve...floats. If a ball that your athlete is trying midline floats it'll catch her high, then her weight comes back and her angle changes as her platform contacts her body. But when a passer takes the ball outside her body and it floats, she can simply adjust her angle, keeping her weight balanced and her head still. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, KGB was the master of this. Tama's not bad either. It's frustrating that many coaches still teach younger age groups that midlining balls is optimal.
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Post by libro on Apr 15, 2020 22:44:23 GMT -5
Its mind boggling that more people don't recognize this. Agree with both of you. We coach girls to be comfortable taking balls outside their body because that allows them to adjust when a float serve...floats. If a ball that your athlete is trying midline floats it'll catch her high, then her weight comes back and her angle changes as her platform contacts her body. But when a passer takes the ball outside her body and it floats, she can simply adjust her angle, keeping her weight balanced and her head still. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, KGB was the master of this. Tama's not bad either. It's frustrating that many coaches still teach younger age groups that midlining balls is optimal. What I struggle with and is really the beauty of floats serves, is when I truly believe I have tracked it well, and then it floats deeper on me, catching me high. There is nearly no chance to open up and pass out of midline because the ball is already over the tape and nearly on me, and a last second adjust is required. Hand passing could be a move. Will hand passing ever be the next staple in the women’s game?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 22:55:47 GMT -5
Agree with both of you. We coach girls to be comfortable taking balls outside their body because that allows them to adjust when a float serve...floats. If a ball that your athlete is trying midline floats it'll catch her high, then her weight comes back and her angle changes as her platform contacts her body. But when a passer takes the ball outside her body and it floats, she can simply adjust her angle, keeping her weight balanced and her head still. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, KGB was the master of this. Tama's not bad either. It's frustrating that many coaches still teach younger age groups that midlining balls is optimal. What I struggle with and is really the beauty of floats serves, is when I truly believe I have tracked it well, and then it floats deeper on me, catching me high. There is nearly no chance to open up and pass out of midline because the ball is already over the tape and nearly on me, and a last second adjust is required. Hand passing could be a move. Will hand passing ever be the next staple in the women’s game? No. Due to smaller hand size the margin for error is minimal. Your platform will always be more consistent. You can get comfortable passing outside your body. You've got all the time in the world right now before your next season, you can do it.
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Post by superfan1 on Apr 15, 2020 23:01:41 GMT -5
Agree with both of you. We coach girls to be comfortable taking balls outside their body because that allows them to adjust when a float serve...floats. If a ball that your athlete is trying midline floats it'll catch her high, then her weight comes back and her angle changes as her platform contacts her body. But when a passer takes the ball outside her body and it floats, she can simply adjust her angle, keeping her weight balanced and her head still. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, KGB was the master of this. Tama's not bad either. It's frustrating that many coaches still teach younger age groups that midlining balls is optimal. What I struggle with and is really the beauty of floats serves, is when I truly believe I have tracked it well, and then it floats deeper on me, catching me high. There is nearly no chance to open up and pass out of midline because the ball is already over the tape and nearly on me, and a last second adjust is required. Hand passing could be a move. Will hand passing ever be the next staple in the women’s game? ...maybe? but I would guess not anytime soon. The lower net height really has these floats crossing very low and dropping pretty fast so for the foreseeable future I think platform will be the majority.
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Post by Murina on Apr 15, 2020 23:38:19 GMT -5
Agree with both of you. We should coach girls to be comfortable taking balls outside their body because that allows them to adjust when a float serve...floats. My point is that there is a reason that nearly every player struggles passing outside to their right. It doesn't matter how talented they are or how much they practice it. When standing in zone 5 everyone stinks at it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 0:13:23 GMT -5
Agree with both of you. We should coach girls to be comfortable taking balls outside their body because that allows them to adjust when a float serve...floats. My point is that there is a reason that nearly every player struggles passing outside to their right. It doesn't matter how talented they are or how much they practice it. When standing in zone 5 everyone stinks at it. I'm with you on passing to your right but for the sake of clarity I'd mention that the angle when passing on your right from Z1 is obviously greater than from Z5. The 5/6 seam can cause issues if communication isn't strong but the angle from Z1 is harder. In general though, I disagree that it doesn't matter how much you practice. Passing is about technique and repetition. The more you do it (with good technique) the better you'll get.
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Post by libro on Apr 16, 2020 20:44:41 GMT -5
Haven’t seen her much at all lately, but is Amanda Benson in the picture or has that ship sailed
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Post by jengal on Apr 16, 2020 22:53:31 GMT -5
When I last watched USA play, the glaring problem was tip coverage. Terrible, there’s no other way around it. Hentz is great at this. Mary Lake is also very good. If we want a true libero, and there isn’t one playing in the pro leagues right now who is good enough, these would be my top two contenders. You could throw Kendall White in there too (that enthusiasm would be interesting in that environment!).
I don’t watch pro league, so I have no idea if recent grads playing pro have improved significantly or not.
Did Kenzie Maloney ever go pro? She was good too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 22:56:41 GMT -5
Haven’t seen her much at all lately, but is Amanda Benson in the picture or has that ship sailed She plays in the Swiss league and I believe her team won the league. She made one roster in 2019, the Norceca Champions Cup which was the lowest profile tournament of the 2019 season. I would say she is probably on her way out with this new crop of talented Libero's on the rise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 23:32:10 GMT -5
When I last watched USA play, the glaring problem was tip coverage. Terrible, there’s no other way around it. Hentz is great at this. Mary Lake is also very good. If we want a true libero, and there isn’t one playing in the pro leagues right now who is good enough, these would be my top two contenders. You could throw Kendall White in there too (that enthusiasm would be interesting in that environment!). I don’t watch pro league, so I have no idea if recent grads playing pro have improved significantly or not. Did Kenzie Maloney ever go pro? She was good too. It's worth noting that you really can't compare tip coverage in D1 to the Olympic level. JWO was fantastic in college but, as others have noted, hasn't been as stellar for USA. The reason is two-fold. Firstly you've got the highest calibre of hitters who can disguise a tip better than any other players on the planet. The other issue is that defenders tend to dig in so hard at the Olympic level because the pins are all capable of absolutely crushing the ball that it makes it considerably harder to react in tip to pick up the tip. Would Hentz/Lake be better than JWO/Courtney? Perhaps. Can we say for certain they would from their college tape? No. But again, at the risk of sounding boring, it's irrelevant unless they are capable of passing at a 2.4+ level over the course of a tournament from Karch's perspective. That is and always will be his first requirement from the position and more than anything else, that's where Hentz will need to prove she can cut it (Lake has the edge here, but again, hasn't done it vs the highest level of competition).
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