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Post by eazy on Jul 29, 2020 19:36:41 GMT -5
Just because a lawyer can whip up an argument doesn’t make it a legal or even good argument that could ever win a real case. Can’t find many people feeling bad for a family that chose to attend. There is no claiming ignorance on this issue. There are tons of court cases where people made really bad decisions and still made out well in court. AAU needs to be sued into bankruptcy for their decision to not cancel this tournament. They are in it for the money and nothing else. This reminds me of the person who sued McDonalds for spilling their coffee on themselves and being burned. They did win, but I believe a large part was that McDonalds heated their coffee substantially higher than acceptable to keep it fresh longer to save money. Because they kept that from customers (didn’t label the cups) they lost. Did AAU keep anything from players? I’d imagine if someone walked into McDonalds right now and caught Covid they couldn’t sue because everything is common knowledge. I’d love for a lawyer to correct me and explain.
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Post by ineedajob on Jul 29, 2020 19:36:58 GMT -5
Just because a lawyer can whip up an argument doesn’t make it a legal or even good argument that could ever win a real case. Can’t find many people feeling bad for a family that chose to attend. There is no claiming ignorance on this issue. There are tons of court cases where people made really bad decisions and still made out well in court. AAU needs to be sued into bankruptcy for their decision to not cancel this tournament. They are in it for the money and nothing else. I agree that it was pretty irresponsible to go on with the tournament, but I'm not sure the money argument holds up (and it's what I was thinking before the event happened). Do you think it's likely they made a profit from the event, because a lot of what I read makes me think it's unlikely?
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Post by moody on Jul 29, 2020 19:41:02 GMT -5
There are tons of court cases where people made really bad decisions and still made out well in court. AAU needs to be sued into bankruptcy for their decision to not cancel this tournament. They are in it for the money and nothing else. This reminds me of the person who sued McDonalds for spilling their coffee on themselves and being burned. They did win, but I believe a large part was that McDonalds heated their coffee substantially higher than acceptable to keep it fresh longer to save money. Because they kept that from customers (didn’t label the cups) they lost. Did AAU keep anything from players? I’d imagine if someone walked into McDonalds right now and caught Covid they couldn’t sue because everything is common knowledge. I’d love for a lawyer to correct me and explain. AAU hosted a tournament in the epicenter of a world wide pandemic. AAU proved to the country they care more for money than for athletes. For that reason they should be sued out of business.
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Post by moody on Jul 29, 2020 19:43:06 GMT -5
There are tons of court cases where people made really bad decisions and still made out well in court. AAU needs to be sued into bankruptcy for their decision to not cancel this tournament. They are in it for the money and nothing else. I agree that it was pretty irresponsible to go on with the tournament, but I'm not sure the money argument holds up (and it's what I was thinking before the event happened). Do you think it's likely they made a profit from the event, because a lot of what I read makes me think it's unlikely? It is my hope they go bankrupt in having to defend themselves in court of this. AAU should not be allowed to host another tournament in any sport. It was the worst case of neglect since Rick Butler.
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Post by ineedajob on Jul 29, 2020 19:46:08 GMT -5
I agree that it was pretty irresponsible to go on with the tournament, but I'm not sure the money argument holds up (and it's what I was thinking before the event happened). Do you think it's likely they made a profit from the event, because a lot of what I read makes me think it's unlikely? It is my hope they go bankrupt in having to defend themselves in court of this. AAU should not be allowed to host another tournament in any sport. It was the worst case of neglect since Rick Butler. That's great, but it doesn't really speak to the "only in it for the money" argument.
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Post by moody on Jul 29, 2020 19:48:53 GMT -5
It is my hope they go bankrupt in having to defend themselves in court of this. AAU should not be allowed to host another tournament in any sport. It was the worst case of neglect since Rick Butler. That's great, but it doesn't really speak to the "only in it for the money" argument. don't care about that argument. Fact is AAU went ahead with Nationals knowing they couldn't keep the participants safe.
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Post by eazy on Jul 29, 2020 19:49:09 GMT -5
It is my hope they go bankrupt in having to defend themselves in court of this. AAU should not be allowed to host another tournament in any sport. It was the worst case of neglect since Rick Butler. That's great, but it doesn't really speak to the "only in it for the money" argument. It would only make sense if they made money on the tournament, and I think the consensus is that they probably lost money..
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Post by ineedajob on Jul 29, 2020 19:51:24 GMT -5
That's great, but it doesn't really speak to the "only in it for the money" argument. don't care about that argument. Fact is AAU went ahead with Nationals knowing they couldn't keep the participants safe. Well then say that instead of saying "they care more for money than for athletes" and "they are in it for the money and nothing else."
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Post by moody on Jul 29, 2020 19:53:07 GMT -5
don't care about that argument. Fact is AAU went ahead with Nationals knowing they couldn't keep the participants safe. Well then say that instead of saying "they care more for money than for athletes" and "they are in it for the money and nothing else." OK
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Post by ucfalum on Jul 29, 2020 21:24:16 GMT -5
I think the waivers matter less than the fact that AAU undoubtedly worked hand-in-hand with Orange County and the state of Florida to run this event under strict protocols approved by those governmental bodies. Can you sue an airline if you contract COVID on a flight? What about a restaurant? A grocery store? I think if a business is operating under approved safety regulations, there's no way they can be liable for COVID spread. If they can, New York's long term care facilities will be sued into oblivion. Also to consider: Can it be proven that the player(s) testing positive caught the virus at the convention center, not in Orlando in general or on the trip to/from? Exactly and Ready to get fried : 2 of my kids played in the tournament and it was a treat getting some vacation time, in a very empty Orlando after MONTHS of this new normal. We love to travel and if this is all we get since Europe and SA shut us down, will happily take it. BTW- my older vb player DID get an email from a College Coach that saw her play at the tournament. So whoo hoo! Bottom line: None of us got sick (5 plus 1 at home working at a water park), we wore our masks EVERYWHERE as mandated and had a welcome change of pace in this craziness.
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Post by sonofdogman on Jul 29, 2020 21:35:45 GMT -5
Also to consider: Can it be proven that the player(s) testing positive caught the virus at the convention center, not in Orlando in general or on the trip to/from? Exactly and Ready to get fried : 2 of my kids played in the tournament and it was a treat getting some vacation time, in a very empty Orlando after MONTHS of this new normal. We love to travel and if this is all we get since Europe and SA shut us down, will happily take it. BTW- my older vb player DID get an email from a College Coach that saw her play at the tournament. So whoo hoo! Bottom line: None of us got sick (5 plus 1 at home working at a water park), we wore our masks EVERYWHERE as mandated and had a welcome change of pace in this craziness. This is good to hear. Happiness is precious. I am in the camp that it was irresponsible for AAU to hold the event, and - not to fry you - that is would be irresponsible to take a team to the event. Definitely also believe that AAU isn't liable for anyone who caught COVID while in Orlando for the event. Seems they followed local regulations and more. Safety is possible and they did their part, but just so risky anyways in my opinion because of how Florida in general was treating things.
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Post by dman on Jul 30, 2020 8:05:40 GMT -5
Also to consider: Can it be proven that the player(s) testing positive caught the virus at the convention center, not in Orlando in general or on the trip to/from? Exactly and Ready to get fried : 2 of my kids played in the tournament and it was a treat getting some vacation time, in a very empty Orlando after MONTHS of this new normal. We love to travel and if this is all we get since Europe and SA shut us down, will happily take it. BTW- my older vb player DID get an email from a College Coach that saw her play at the tournament. So whoo hoo! Bottom line: None of us got sick (5 plus 1 at home working at a water park), we wore our masks EVERYWHERE as mandated and had a welcome change of pace in this craziness. So glad the tournament went off and you all were able to safely enjoy it! Even better that you received correspondence from a college coach. So far the "unscientific posting poll" is four allegedly positive tests. Out of 6000 participants that is 0.00067%...and folks are ready to sue and bankrupt AAU. Disney seems to be doing well with their protocols as haven't read anything of outbreaks. Point being that proper protocols can be effective. Will it totally stop it...nope, but it can greatly reduce risk.
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Post by sandman32 on Jul 30, 2020 8:41:35 GMT -5
Does anyone care that k12 and under have had less then 20 deaths in the US? Let the kids play and be recruited. Leave Gma and Gpa at home, and let the kids compete. they are in more danger of a traffic accident on the way to the arena then Covid-19. Just stating the factual statistics, and I know that's not gonna sit well with those of you who don't know the numbers.
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Post by knowthetruth on Jul 30, 2020 10:15:09 GMT -5
Does anyone care that k12 and under have had less then 20 deaths in the US? Let the kids play and be recruited. Leave Gma and Gpa at home, and let the kids compete. they are in more danger of a traffic accident on the way to the arena then Covid-19. Just stating the factual statistics, and I know that's not gonna sit well with those of you who don't know the numbers. Good question, do you care that 292 nurses and almost 1000 total health care workers are dead? Just stating the factual statistics, and I know that's not gonna sit well with those of you who don't know the numbers. www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85867www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/17/covid-19-coronavirus-healthcare-workers-deaths
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Post by sonofdogman on Jul 30, 2020 10:22:39 GMT -5
What a petty, non sequitur reply.
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