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Post by eazy on Aug 13, 2020 15:01:09 GMT -5
In summary: If there are ANY reported cases as a result of this tournament - AAU did a horrible job and everyone involved in this tournament is greedy and doesn't care about anyone but themselves If there are NO reported cases as a result of this tournament - we are being lied to and there is a cover-up. Actually hundreds, if not thousands, of people actually HAVE contracted Covid and died as a result of this tournament and AAU did a horrible job and everyone involved in this tournament is greedy and doesn't care about anyone but themselves Now I understand. To me it looks like they did a fine job running the tournament for the size it was and should probably be used as an example moving forward of how to do it again if necessary. Your summary is wrong and hyperbolic. The number of "reported" cases means nothing because we have no concrete information. That doesn't mean it was bad or good. It just means we don't know. I don't disagree it can be an example moving forward. I just don't think you can claim that zero people got the virus because the media didn't find out and freak out.
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Post by Tara Flex on Aug 13, 2020 15:19:54 GMT -5
In summary: If there are ANY reported cases as a result of this tournament - AAU did a horrible job and everyone involved in this tournament is greedy and doesn't care about anyone but themselves If there are NO reported cases as a result of this tournament - we are being lied to and there is a cover-up. Actually hundreds, if not thousands, of people actually HAVE contracted Covid and died as a result of this tournament and AAU did a horrible job and everyone involved in this tournament is greedy and doesn't care about anyone but themselves Now I understand. To me it looks like they did a fine job running the tournament for the size it was and should probably be used as an example moving forward of how to do it again if necessary. Your summary is wrong and hyperbolic. The number of "reported" cases means nothing because we have no concrete information. That doesn't mean it was bad or good. It just means we don't know. I don't disagree it can be an example moving forward. I just don't think you can claim that zero people got the virus because the media didn't find out and freak out. Bad news travels very quickly. If there was an outbreak at any club due to this tournament, it would absolutely be shared on VT. I was initially skeptical of how the tournament could be done, but it looks like it was done very well. I'll choose to congratulate them and look forward with optimism that we can expand upon this and find ways to have some "normalcy" rather than rooting for outbreaks so I can say "I told you so - let's get back in our basements for 1,2 or 10 years until we have a vaccine and have zero cases". My glass is half-full!
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Post by eazy on Aug 13, 2020 16:18:40 GMT -5
You do realize this is conversation is about the result of a volleyball event, right? Of ALL the threads on here that have become hyper-political, this isn't the one. This is one talking about the real affects of hosting a tournament right now. Zero new information has been added to this thread by posts that have occurred after 8/4. No one who reads these recent posts will learn anything about the result of the AAU tournament by reading them. My apologies. I did not realize new information was the basis for whether a post was allowed on VT. I look forward to you scolding everyone in the 5-7 different threads about fall cancellations because they are all repeating the same information. Also all the prediction threads about the olympics. None of that information is new, so it does not belong here either. Please feel free to start a petition to rename this "VolleyNews" because discussion about old topics is apparently not allowed.
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Post by eazy on Aug 13, 2020 16:25:36 GMT -5
Your summary is wrong and hyperbolic. The number of "reported" cases means nothing because we have no concrete information. That doesn't mean it was bad or good. It just means we don't know. I don't disagree it can be an example moving forward. I just don't think you can claim that zero people got the virus because the media didn't find out and freak out. Bad news travels very quickly. If there was an outbreak at any club due to this tournament, it would absolutely be shared on VT. I was initially skeptical of how the tournament could be done, but it looks like it was done very well. I'll choose to congratulate them and look forward with optimism that we can expand upon this and find ways to have some "normalcy" rather than rooting for outbreaks so I can say "I told you so - let's get back in our basements for 1,2 or 10 years until we have a vaccine and have zero cases". My glass is half-full! I really don't think news travels that easily. I would think a club that took the risk to travel to this tournament would not want the bad publicity if that choice ended up getting their players and/or families sick. That being said, there already is a statement about one club confirming cases after coming back. I agree that it was done as well as it could be and I hope more events can follow suit if it is safe to do so. I do think it will hit their pocket books to take all the safety measures that AAUs did but I hope it ends up happening. My glass is half full and also half empty. That's how real life tends to work.
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Post by n00b on Aug 13, 2020 16:28:51 GMT -5
As more and more high school athletic associations shut down their seasons, how long until we start seeing fall club tournaments schedules?
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Post by rogero1 on Aug 13, 2020 17:51:00 GMT -5
As more and more high school athletic associations shut down their seasons, how long until we start seeing fall club tournaments schedules? Who says there will be a club tourney schedule in the fall? If people are to avoid congregating in groups of 50, will clubs defy local governments and host tourneys of more than one court??
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Post by n00b on Aug 13, 2020 18:16:11 GMT -5
As more and more high school athletic associations shut down their seasons, how long until we start seeing fall club tournaments schedules? Who says there will be a club tourney schedule in the fall? If people are to avoid congregating in groups of 50, will clubs defy local governments and host tourneys of more than one court?? Well, no. But there are plenty of areas of the country that don’t have those restrictions.
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Post by joetrinsey on Aug 13, 2020 18:41:48 GMT -5
As more and more high school athletic associations shut down their seasons, how long until we start seeing fall club tournaments schedules?
Right now I am seeing more "high school fall league," type stuff out there. One of the issues is gym space. If high schools are canceling their own sports, they sure aren't renting to clubs. That means that clubs that have a facility are at a big advantage, but I'd say school gyms are probably the plurality of club practice sites. But, in many areas, high school coaches are pretty influential and they see the fall as "theirs" and seem to be pushing kids to play on unofficial high school teams rather than going right to their clubs.
There's definitely some opportunities for beach volleyball as well. I'm running a fall HS beach (aka: sand court in a park) league in my area. A lot easier to operate safely: fewer kids on the court, outside in the sun, no bleachers for parents to crowd into, etc. Play an NCAA-style best 3-of-5 pairs for a team match to still have the feel of representing your school rather than a bracket-style tournament.
I can say from having a few fingers in the club world that there is huge demand for club volleyball this fall/early winter. The demand doesn't seem huge for extensive travel (although, as AAUs indicate, there's always going to be some that are more risk-tolerant or risk-disbelieving than others) but there is going to be big demand for single-court, local tournaments.
I also think that clubs should look into playing a match schedule rather than a tournament schedule. One 5-set match per weekend, limit the spectators and put up a live stream for parents, etc. There's ways to modify the club competition schedule to provide kids opportunity to play volleyball safely, and clubs that get ahead of the curve are going to be rewarded for that.
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Post by rogero1 on Aug 13, 2020 18:42:37 GMT -5
Who says there will be a club tourney schedule in the fall? If people are to avoid congregating in groups of 50, will clubs defy local governments and host tourneys of more than one court?? Well, no. But there are plenty of areas of the country that don’t have those restrictions. Agreed, but are you asking about the huge inter regional tournaments? I don’t see that happening with current restrictions. In our area, we could run a 1 court tourney per facility (which would be a losing proposition). Even the qualifiers could end up looking like AAUs. How many organizers can afford to space out like AAUs?
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Post by n00b on Aug 13, 2020 18:52:36 GMT -5
Well, no. But there are plenty of areas of the country that don’t have those restrictions. Agreed, but are you asking about the huge inter regional tournaments? I don’t see that happening with current restrictions. In our area, we could run a 1 court tourney per facility (which would be a losing proposition). Even the qualifiers could end up looking like AAUs. How many organizers can afford to space out like AAUs? In my mind, I was thinking the in-between sized tournaments. The large clubs who have 4-8 court facilities hosting something.
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Post by tallnclumsy on Aug 14, 2020 6:16:38 GMT -5
Agreed, but are you asking about the huge inter regional tournaments? I don’t see that happening with current restrictions. In our area, we could run a 1 court tourney per facility (which would be a losing proposition). Even the qualifiers could end up looking like AAUs. How many organizers can afford to space out like AAUs? In my mind, I was thinking the in-between sized tournaments. The large clubs who have 4-8 court facilities hosting something. Yes, that is what the clubs here are talking about...an interstate power league between the bigger clubs. Two of the states in the works for this haven't officially canceled school sports yet, so it's not ironed out yet.
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Aug 14, 2020 10:15:47 GMT -5
As more and more high school athletic associations shut down their seasons, how long until we start seeing fall club tournaments schedules?
Right now I am seeing more "high school fall league," type stuff out there. One of the issues is gym space. If high schools are canceling their own sports, they sure aren't renting to clubs. That means that clubs that have a facility are at a big advantage, but I'd say school gyms are probably the plurality of club practice sites. But, in many areas, high school coaches are pretty influential and they see the fall as "theirs" and seem to be pushing kids to play on unofficial high school teams rather than going right to their clubs.
There's definitely some opportunities for beach volleyball as well. I'm running a fall HS beach (aka: sand court in a park) league in my area. A lot easier to operate safely: fewer kids on the court, outside in the sun, no bleachers for parents to crowd into, etc. Play an NCAA-style best 3-of-5 pairs for a team match to still have the feel of representing your school rather than a bracket-style tournament.
I can say from having a few fingers in the club world that there is huge demand for club volleyball this fall/early winter. The demand doesn't seem huge for extensive travel (although, as AAUs indicate, there's always going to be some that are more risk-tolerant or risk-disbelieving than others) but there is going to be big demand for single-court, local tournaments.
I also think that clubs should look into playing a match schedule rather than a tournament schedule. One 5-set match per weekend, limit the spectators and put up a live stream for parents, etc. There's ways to modify the club competition schedule to provide kids opportunity to play volleyball safely, and clubs that get ahead of the curve are going to be rewarded for that.
I can tell you this is exactly what is happeneing in Georgia. The HS season officially opened last night. I know most of the clubs have a contingency plan in the event that the HS season abruptly ends. Not sure how exactly how it would play out or if it will, but most, if not all of the area clubs would essentially form a "HS club scenario" and play at the area clubs vs. schools. With A5 opening their 13/14 court facility this month. It would be good timing if something like that were to happen. I know many of the clubs are doing that with the MS teams as most Middle School programs have opted out but kids are still finding a way to compete. Not sure how all the liability issues would work, but I can tell you demand has been pretty high. Bottom line is, the kids are going to find a way to play somewhere.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 14, 2020 10:32:35 GMT -5
Right now I am seeing more "high school fall league," type stuff out there. One of the issues is gym space. If high schools are canceling their own sports, they sure aren't renting to clubs. That means that clubs that have a facility are at a big advantage, but I'd say school gyms are probably the plurality of club practice sites. But, in many areas, high school coaches are pretty influential and they see the fall as "theirs" and seem to be pushing kids to play on unofficial high school teams rather than going right to their clubs.
There's definitely some opportunities for beach volleyball as well. I'm running a fall HS beach (aka: sand court in a park) league in my area. A lot easier to operate safely: fewer kids on the court, outside in the sun, no bleachers for parents to crowd into, etc. Play an NCAA-style best 3-of-5 pairs for a team match to still have the feel of representing your school rather than a bracket-style tournament.
I can say from having a few fingers in the club world that there is huge demand for club volleyball this fall/early winter. The demand doesn't seem huge for extensive travel (although, as AAUs indicate, there's always going to be some that are more risk-tolerant or risk-disbelieving than others) but there is going to be big demand for single-court, local tournaments.
I also think that clubs should look into playing a match schedule rather than a tournament schedule. One 5-set match per weekend, limit the spectators and put up a live stream for parents, etc. There's ways to modify the club competition schedule to provide kids opportunity to play volleyball safely, and clubs that get ahead of the curve are going to be rewarded for that.
I can tell you this is exactly what is happeneing in Georgia. The HS season officially opened last night. I know most of the clubs have a contingency plan in the event that the HS season abruptly ends. Not sure how exactly how it would play out or if it will, but most, if not all of the area clubs would essentially form a "HS club scenario" and play at the area clubs vs. schools. With A5 opening their 13/14 court facility this month. It would be good timing if something like that were to happen. I know many of the clubs are doing that with the MS teams as most Middle School programs have opted out but kids are still finding a way to compete. Not sure how all the liability issues would work, but I can tell you demand has been pretty high. Bottom line is, the kids are going to find a way to play somewhere. Personally I’d advise everyone to look and see what Georgia is doing regarding all things covid, and do the opposite.
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Post by salsolomon on Aug 14, 2020 11:00:48 GMT -5
A club I work with in our area is going to start training next month, with details depending on whether HS seasons are totally canceled or not (should be decided very soon). As for competition, in the short term we're going to form a small group of area clubs that we trust to do things the right way. We will evaluate larger tournaments in the future, but wouldn't do them now.
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