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Post by ay2013 on Jul 11, 2020 20:24:39 GMT -5
Wow you are so generous with the number of non Big 5 bids. There are what 32 D1 conference and you give the 27 non Big 5 schools 2 entries. That will do justice to the majority of the young ladies working hard playing the game of volleyball. Correction: They are only generous with what they consider "Big 4 bids", and "you give the 28 non Big 4 schools 2 entries." I am sure they also think the 2 at large bids should also go to the 3rd place in the B1G and Pac12, or the second place in the SEC. No room for BYU, Louisville, Pitt, Creighton, Marquette, Hawaii, San Diego, or this years Cincinnati, to have any consideration whatsoever. Those teams would have consideration! If a committee that does NOT have reps from those power conferences get together and decide that no team from the rest of the field are better than the 3rd BIG/Pac or second SEC, that’s on them.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 11, 2020 20:31:01 GMT -5
Based on the way cases are rising, and assuming fatalities follow, I expect that just as the fall season is starting there will be a huge number of COVID fatalities, and basically everybody will say "WTF? Why are we even thinking of doing this?"
At this point I'll be very surprised if all fall sports aren't cancelled.
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Post by horns1 on Jul 11, 2020 23:52:44 GMT -5
Let's recap. The Big 12 lost A&M, Nebraska, Mizzou, and Colorado; added TCU and West Virginia. The PAC 10 lost no members; added Colorado and Utah. And, the Big 12 is still ahead of the PAC 12 financially? Let that sink in. For the record, I never stated anything about about conference jealousy; not sure where you got that from. And, not sure what you believe I'm stating as inaccurate, and I can't imagine what you feel is "extreme"; I stand behind what I've stated today.
I haven't seen that the Big 12 is ahead of the Pac-12 financially. What's your source for that?
Here are numbers from July 10, 2020 for your to chew on:
Apparently, PAC 12 Network is paying out less to each school than Larry Scott's annual salary; PAC 12 reports $32.2MM per school...PAC Network had $123MM in revenue, but $90MM in expenses (net of $2.75MM per school). ACC payouts does not include ACC Network revenue.
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Post by jengal on Jul 12, 2020 0:11:52 GMT -5
Since 2020 is full of drama and unfortunate situations, here is an update on the Hayley Hodson lawsuit: nobody has been paid yet and the lawyers seem to hate each other . There has been so much motion practice and pleadings done in this case, whatever the Hodson's recover will likely just pay the attorneys. It looks like punitive damages against Stanford and the NCAA are off the table as well as any damages related to any future pro contract. The entire situation with Hodson is very sad.
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 12, 2020 2:06:37 GMT -5
Since 2020 is full of drama and unfortunate situations, here is an update on the Hayley Hodson lawsuit: nobody has been paid yet and the lawyers seem to hate each other . There has been so much motion practice and pleadings done in this case, whatever the Hodson's recover will likely just pay the attorneys. It looks like punitive damages against Stanford and the NCAA are off the table as well as any damages related to any future pro contract. The entire situation with Hodson is very sad. That’s not an unreasonable position. IMO, It’s unfortunate that Hayley has experienced such trauma/drama surrounding this, before she really gets to experience life as an adult, but her well being isn’t contingent on Stanford and the NCAA paying her millions of dollars in damages. She’s probably not going to get it, and getting a bunch of self obsessed lawyers involved rarely helps anyone.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 12, 2020 6:46:45 GMT -5
Based on the way cases are rising, and assuming fatalities follow, I expect that just as the fall season is starting there will be a huge number of COVID fatalities, and basically everybody will say "WTF? Why are we even thinking of doing this?" At this point I'll be very surprised if all fall sports aren't cancelled. This has a good chance of playing out. I have wondered as it pertains to volleyball. Does a D1 volleyball player at a University increase their chances of catching the virus if they play volleyball? Assuming they are likely to take extra steps to reduce risk in order to play, I would rather my daughter was playing VB than engaging in likely behaviors that take place during college. I just don't see playing volleyball as some super spreader event(s).
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 12, 2020 7:13:02 GMT -5
It gets to be a tricky situation if some conferences played non conference while other’s didn’t. I don’t know why if the P5 and Ivy League (opposites?) both agree on not playing OR only playing conference, how that would lead to mid majors playing full seasons? I’m just not seeing it. Because the majority of schools aren’t in those extremes. Ivy League schools aren’t bothered by losing sports. And the Pac-12 and Big Ten have enough money to make the statement that it’s safer for Nebraska to play Penn State than it is to play Creighton. That’s a nonsensical and crazy expensive position to take. I think low budget conferences can just as easily make the argument it’s both safer and cheaper to play an opponent where we can drive vans to the match. It looks like the P5 schools will go to conference only. This will allow a football season and the conference only schedule allows for some 'safety'. However, for many of the non P5 conferences - conference only schedules isn't the least costly way to run a season. Is there a mechanism for some conferences to release their teams this year to play any schedule they see fit. Take the Big East - which doesn't have football and many of the schools aren't close to each other. Could their be a scenario where universities create 10-14 school alliances for scheduling - universities that are all within driving distance. It would make more sense for Creighton to conduct a schedule that included UNI, Drake, Wichita State - then playing St. John's and Georgetown. Even if splitting with the Big East (West) - Marquette and Butler aren't all that close and we are only talking about 5 teams on their schedule. Universities from the Big West, West Coast, Big Sky, and Mountain West would build scheduling alliances that would reduce travel (cost and safety) and the alliance would serve as a bubble (safety) similar to what the PAC and B1G are doing. In other words, there would a series of alliances where 10-14 universities will only play each other on the schedule for fall sports this year without direct conference involvement.
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Post by sonofdogman on Jul 12, 2020 8:53:00 GMT -5
It looks like the P5 schools will go to conference only. This will allow a football season and the conference only schedule allows for some 'safety'. However, for many of the non P5 conferences - conference only schedules isn't the least costly way to run a season. Is there a mechanism for some conferences to release their teams this year to play any schedule they see fit. Take the Big East - which doesn't have football and many of the schools aren't close to each other. Could their be a scenario where universities create 10-14 school alliances for scheduling - universities that are all within driving distance. It would make more sense for Creighton to conduct a schedule that included UNI, Drake, Wichita State - then playing St. John's and Georgetown. Even if splitting with the Big East (West) - Marquette and Butler aren't all that close and we are only talking about 5 teams on their schedule. Universities from the Big West, West Coast, Big Sky, and Mountain West would build scheduling alliances that would reduce travel (cost and safety) and the alliance would serve as a bubble (safety) similar to what the PAC and B1G are doing. In other words, there would a series of alliances where 10-14 universities will only play each other on the schedule for fall sports this year without direct conference involvement. Was talking about that with another coach. Florida could have it's own alliance of schools and keep their burning bubble to themselves. Same with Texas. But what could convince UF, FSU, Texas, et al to ally with smaller conference schools? That is, would health outweigh economic speculation?
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Post by trollhunter on Jul 12, 2020 12:57:36 GMT -5
It looks like the P5 schools will go to conference only. This will allow a football season and the conference only schedule allows for some 'safety'. However, for many of the non P5 conferences - conference only schedules isn't the least costly way to run a season. Is there a mechanism for some conferences to release their teams this year to play any schedule they see fit. Not sure why you and others (@bigwestfan2) keep saying all P5 are going conference-only. Did you miss the ACC announcement 3 days ago? It was not a headline story, so may have slipped under radar. I am going to believe their AD's / Presidents over guys on internet.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 12, 2020 14:04:37 GMT -5
It looks like the P5 schools will go to conference only. This will allow a football season and the conference only schedule allows for some 'safety'. However, for many of the non P5 conferences - conference only schedules isn't the least costly way to run a season. Is there a mechanism for some conferences to release their teams this year to play any schedule they see fit. Take the Big East - which doesn't have football and many of the schools aren't close to each other. Could their be a scenario where universities create 10-14 school alliances for scheduling - universities that are all within driving distance. It would make more sense for Creighton to conduct a schedule that included UNI, Drake, Wichita State - then playing St. John's and Georgetown. Even if splitting with the Big East (West) - Marquette and Butler aren't all that close and we are only talking about 5 teams on their schedule. Universities from the Big West, West Coast, Big Sky, and Mountain West would build scheduling alliances that would reduce travel (cost and safety) and the alliance would serve as a bubble (safety) similar to what the PAC and B1G are doing. In other words, there would a series of alliances where 10-14 universities will only play each other on the schedule for fall sports this year without direct conference involvement. Was talking about that with another coach. Florida could have it's own alliance of schools and keep their burning bubble to themselves. Same with Texas. But what could convince UF, FSU, Texas, et al to ally with smaller conference schools? That is, would health outweigh economic speculation? I am assuming for most P5 schools - money isn't as big of a factor. Florida getting on a chartered plane and flying to Texas A&M isn't that big of a deal (relative to risk). The P5 conferences are better able to spend the money, want to protect their football season - and will convince themselves that a bubble league is much safer. I don't think Florida, Florida State, Texas, etc would consider it a health issue if they stayed only in conference. For many of the rest of the schools - money is a bigger issue (and then many don't have football). Charter planes may be more of an issue - so finding opponents where they can drive makes the most economic sense.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 12, 2020 14:11:07 GMT -5
It looks like the P5 schools will go to conference only. This will allow a football season and the conference only schedule allows for some 'safety'. However, for many of the non P5 conferences - conference only schedules isn't the least costly way to run a season. Is there a mechanism for some conferences to release their teams this year to play any schedule they see fit. Not sure why you and others (@bigwestfan2 ) keep saying all P5 are going conference-only. Did you miss the ACC announcement 3 days ago? It was not a headline story, so may have slipped under radar. I am going to believe their AD's / Presidents over guys on internet. Speculation based on the direction things are going. I mean, cancelling Fall sports is still on the table. I think the conference only is being discussed as a safety issue - by not multiplying cross contamination of players with open non conference scheduling. Notre Dame football is the elephant in the room related to ACC. Now that ND cannot play any B1G school this year - ND may be open to an ACC only conference schedule. I think the ACC needs a ND buy-in to proceed. I suspect the SEC will come down with conference only at some point.
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Post by trollhunter on Jul 12, 2020 14:19:56 GMT -5
Not sure why you and others (@bigwestfan2 ) keep saying all P5 are going conference-only. Did you miss the ACC announcement 3 days ago? It was not a headline story, so may have slipped under radar. I am going to believe their AD's / Presidents over guys on internet. Speculation based on the direction things are going. I mean, cancelling Fall sports is still on the table. I think the conference only is being discussed as a safety issue - by not multiplying cross contamination of players with open non conference scheduling. Notre Dame football is the elephant in the room related to ACC. Now that ND cannot play any B1G school this year - ND may be open to an ACC only conference schedule. I think the ACC needs a ND buy-in to proceed. I suspect the SEC will come down with conference only at some point. Fair enough to speculate, just note that a P5 is now going in a different direction. Cancellation is still on the table, but so is a walk-back if virus subsides. However, the ACC Presidents and AD's literally just analyzed everything (except maybe ND football) and decided they could start Sept 1. That is where we are now. B12 and SEC still left to speak for P5, my guess is somewhere between the 3 conferences already mentioned.
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Post by n00b on Jul 12, 2020 14:50:52 GMT -5
Speculation based on the direction things are going. I mean, cancelling Fall sports is still on the table. I think the conference only is being discussed as a safety issue - by not multiplying cross contamination of players with open non conference scheduling. Notre Dame football is the elephant in the room related to ACC. Now that ND cannot play any B1G school this year - ND may be open to an ACC only conference schedule. I think the ACC needs a ND buy-in to proceed. I suspect the SEC will come down with conference only at some point. Fair enough to speculate, just note that a P5 is now going in a different direction. Cancellation is still on the table, but so is a walk-back if virus subsides. However, the ACC Presidents and AD's literally just analyzed everything (except maybe ND football) and decided they could start Sept 1. That is where we are now. B12 and SEC still left to speak for P5, my guess is somewhere between the 3 conferences already mentioned. All the ACC did was decide there’s no point in starting Olympic sports before football.
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Post by jengal on Jul 12, 2020 16:21:25 GMT -5
The entire situation with Hodson is very sad. That’s not an unreasonable position. IMO, It’s unfortunate that Hayley has experienced such trauma/drama surrounding this, before she really gets to experience life as an adult, but her well being isn’t contingent on Stanford and the NCAA paying her millions of dollars in damages. She’s probably not going to get it, and getting a bunch of self obsessed lawyers involved rarely helps anyone. It’s very unfortunate. Nobody wins in a case like this...except maybe the lawyers.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 12, 2020 16:27:20 GMT -5
The entire situation with Hodson is very sad. That’s not an unreasonable position. IMO, It’s unfortunate that Hayley has experienced such trauma/drama surrounding this, before she really gets to experience life as an adult, but her well being isn’t contingent on Stanford and the NCAA paying her millions of dollars in damages. She’s probably not going to get it, and getting a bunch of self obsessed lawyers involved rarely helps anyone. It's kind of crazy they haven't been able to settle. Litigating this has to be so far down the list of things Stanford wants to do right now.
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