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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 21:29:29 GMT -5
Fairplay has possibly the best ever Survivor quote, about Sandra, in that season. Im not sure when he says it but when you hear it, you'll know So I assume you were talking about the "I've got a mil that she won't be the final one?" quote. I had heard that one already, and I watched the rest of the season wondering if there would be an even better quote, but nothing else exceeded that one. yup. the producers struck gold with that comment
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Post by bbg95 on May 27, 2020 21:43:20 GMT -5
So I assume you were talking about the "I've got a mil that she won't be the final one?" quote. I had heard that one already, and I watched the rest of the season wondering if there would be an even better quote, but nothing else exceeded that one. yup. the producers struck gold with that comment Yeah, that was great. My personal favorite Sandra v. Fairplay moment was definitely when Fairplay conspired with his friend to lie about his grandma dying, and everyone (including Jeff) bought this, except for Sandra, and she immediately says "Fairplay's buddy" when she has to order one of the loved ones to take a step back on the plank. Her exasperated demeanor during that entire challenge was hilarious.
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Post by bbg95 on May 29, 2020 13:58:39 GMT -5
So I watched the first several episodes of Heroes v. Villains, and it's been fine? I don't know. Maybe my expectations were too high, or maybe it really picks up as the season goes along, but right now, I have it comfortably behind Winners at War, Cagayan, Pearl Islands, and probably Cambodia. One thing I really liked about Pearl Islands was how inventive and fun the immunity challenges were. I think way too many of the modern challenges are some variant of "run an obstacle course and solve a puzzle." There's nothing wrong with those kinds of challenges per se, but I wish there was more variety.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 17:21:40 GMT -5
So I watched the first several episodes of Heroes v. Villains, and it's been fine? I don't know. Maybe my expectations were too high, or maybe it really picks up as the season goes along, but right now, I have it comfortably behind Winners at War, Cagayan, Pearl Islands, and probably Cambodia. One thing I really liked about Pearl Islands was how inventive and fun the immunity challenges were. I think way too many of the modern challenges are some variant of "run an obstacle course and solve a puzzle." There's nothing wrong with those kinds of challenges per se, but I wish there was more variety. I think the community as a whole wishes for better variety but with the cost efficiency of keeping it on part of obstacle course/puzzle/endurance, the show wont step away from that. That's why Fijis been made the de facto permanent location. I enjoyed the culture of the earlier seasons. Pearl Islands has one of the most fun themes throughout
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Post by bbg95 on May 30, 2020 19:58:31 GMT -5
I'm nearing the end of Heroes v. Villains, and it has indeed picked up in quality. The gameplay has been pretty uneven, with Tyson and JT making two of the dumbest moves in Survivor history, but there's been some good plays too. Also, I need more Courtney in my life. She is hilarious. I was probably going to watch Cook Islands next, but I may move China to the top of the queue just to get more of her roasting people.
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Post by XAsstCoach on May 31, 2020 11:51:08 GMT -5
Done with Season 35, accidentally saw who won this season while looking up the cast. Vote turned out to be closer than I had thought.
So what happens if the final vote is a tie? If Ryan’s vote had gone to Chrissy instead, would have had a tie with Ben.
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Post by bbg95 on May 31, 2020 11:58:29 GMT -5
Done with Season 35, accidentally saw who won this season while looking up the cast. Vote turned out to be closer than I had thought. So what happens if the final vote is a tie? If Ryan’s vote had gone to Chrissy instead, would have had a tie with Ben. In the case of a tie, the third-place finalist becomes the final member of the jury and casts the deciding vote.
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Post by Boof1224 on May 31, 2020 12:01:50 GMT -5
Is this show still going. Isn’t it like 2 decades old. Lol
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Post by bluepenquin on May 31, 2020 14:19:16 GMT -5
I finished watching Season 33 again (Millennials vs. Gen X) again. This was the last time where each person on the jury spoke instead of the free form FTC that started with Season 34. It also was before they automatically had a fire challenge to determine the 3rd person to make FTC. Sounds like David Wright would have won with the 'new' rules.
Watching this a 2nd time - I would have voted for Hannah. She was the most 'strategic' player among the final 3 (IMO). She was on the right side of tribal votes on all votes except 1 - and in many ways she was driving those votes to enhance her game. She was called a 'flipper' - but she really was in tune with the current strategy of going with flexible short term alliances (like we saw a lot of in S40 this year). Zeke asked the players at FTC, "what did you do to revolutionize or change the game from the old/stale way it used to be played". Hannah did this - yet didn't get the vote.
Adam had the emotional support with his Mom. He was 'strategic' in his own way. He did find hidden idols at key points. He was a worthy winner (IMO) - but I think Hannah was better.
Overall - this season had many of the elements of how the game is played today. Alliances were easily broken, everyone was mostly playing to win and not just be a wallflower. And most important - no one took it personally when voted off and treated this as a game instead of some kind of real life drama.
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Post by XAsstCoach on Jun 1, 2020 1:41:43 GMT -5
Was sad to find out Adam’s Mom passed away 1 hr after he returned home. Didn’t think there was a pair of dry eyes in the studio.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 1, 2020 3:03:19 GMT -5
I just finished Heroes v. Villains, which was a good season overall, though perhaps a tad overrated. I was extremely impressed with Sandra's game and definitely think she deserved to win. Parvati's and Russell's games were flashier, but they were both flawed, especially socially. Sandra was also just as hilarious here as she was in her other seasons, and she is officially one of my two favorite players of all time, along with Tony.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 1, 2020 7:15:45 GMT -5
I just finished Heroes v. Villains, which was a good season overall, though perhaps a tad overrated. I was extremely impressed with Sandra's game and definitely think she deserved to win. Parvati's and Russell's games were flashier, but they were both flawed, especially socially. Sandra was also just as hilarious here as she was in her other seasons, and she is officially one of my two favorite players of all time, along with Tony. The 'expectation' game. Often times when something is built up as being so good by others it doesn't look good when finally seeing for oneself. Parvati came into the game with essentially only 2 other players willing to talk to her. She was the #1 choice to vote off for the other 17. Russell and Danielle were the only two players that would play with her. Heck - J.T. was trying to get her out from the other tribe - and misplayed this and actually ended up 'saving' her. She was able to read Amanda at a key point that allowed her to play both idols on different players leaving herself exposed. I give her high marks for being able to read the opposition - which she doesn't survive otherwise. In a game 'dominated' early on by Russell - Parvati was able to outplay him in the end. As far as the 'social' game - not sure what she was going to do. 17 players were going to have nothing to do with her before the game started. She seemed willing to talk to anyone... Sandra was on the wrong side of the vote the entire game. She tried to get people to vote out Russell, but essentially failed to get anyone to do this. She was given great credit for trying at FTC. Sandra was very effective at keeping herself in the game - and she does actively do this as opposed to riding other coattails - and I think that a good thing. The main reason for her getting the vote was the total dislike by the jury of the other two. Parvati was criticized for being aligned with Russell - and Russell was so universally hated. She really had no other avenue in the game.
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 1, 2020 9:52:46 GMT -5
I just finished Heroes v. Villains, which was a good season overall, though perhaps a tad overrated. I was extremely impressed with Sandra's game and definitely think she deserved to win. Parvati's and Russell's games were flashier, but they were both flawed, especially socially. Sandra was also just as hilarious here as she was in her other seasons, and she is officially one of my two favorite players of all time, along with Tony. The 'expectation' game. Often times when something is built up as being so good by others it doesn't look good when finally seeing for oneself. Parvati came into the game with essentially only 2 other players willing to talk to her. She was the #1 choice to vote off for the other 17. Russell and Danielle were the only two players that would play with her. Heck - J.T. was trying to get her out from the other tribe - and misplayed this and actually ended up 'saving' her. She was able to read Amanda at a key point that allowed her to play both idols on different players leaving herself exposed. I give her high marks for being able to read the opposition - which she doesn't survive otherwise. In a game 'dominated' early on by Russell - Parvati was able to outplay him in the end. As far as the 'social' game - not sure what she was going to do. 17 players were going to have nothing to do with her before the game started. She seemed willing to talk to anyone... Sandra was on the wrong side of the vote the entire game. She tried to get people to vote out Russell, but essentially failed to get anyone to do this. She was given great credit for trying at FTC. Sandra was very effective at keeping herself in the game - and she does actively do this as opposed to riding other coattails - and I think that a good thing. The main reason for her getting the vote was the total dislike by the jury of the other two. Parvati was criticized for being aligned with Russell - and Russell was so universally hated. She really had no other avenue in the game. I mean, Sanda tried to work with the heroes, while Parvati didn't. Russell actually did too, but he only used the heroes when he needed to vote out one of his alliance. Also, this isn't shown on screen, but apparently Parvati and Russell thought it was a great idea to actually read JT's note and mock the heroes with it repeatedly post-merge. Plus, Sandra had Courtney's vote locked up. So she won 6-3. Seemed pretty straightforward to me. The heroes not listening to her was a big part of the reason why they voted for her in the end. I think Parvati also made a major mistake when she hid that idol from Russell basically just for her own ego. He lost trust in her after that and ended up voting out Danielle, her true top ally. Parvati also really benefited from being allied with Russell early (he played JT) and also from Tyson's (in Courtney's words) "FUBAR." Parvati did a good job of winning immunity challenges late to keep herself from getting voted out, but aside from her admittedly impressive double idol move, I didn't really see her doing a whole lot else, and one flashy move is not enough in my view. I will concede the point that Parvati did have the biggest target of anyone going into the game, so her options on potential allies were limited. Also, I'm not sure Sandra was really on the wrong side of the vote that much. She did try to convince people to vote Russell off, but she actually usually ended up voting with him when she realized the heroes weren't going to listen. In fact, the only votes that Sandra was actually on the wrong side of the entire game were the Tyson one (which is definitely not her fault), the Rob one (the leader of her alliance--she had to scramble from this point on), and the Danielle one (Russell got Jerri to change her vote at the last minute at tribal council). Sandra also engineered the Coach vote out, which kept her safe long enough to make the merge after she had to sacrifice her last remaining alliance member in Courtney, who voted for her to win at the end. It's also kind of incredible that Sandra didn't get any votes cast against her in her entire Survivor career until the final six of her second season. I also think playing her idol so confidently (even though she was still on the right side of the vote) won her a lot of points with the jury. As with Aubry in Kaoh Rong, I wouldn't have been outraged if Parvati had won the final vote, but I do think that the winner of both seasons was deserving due to their superior social games.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 1, 2020 11:17:13 GMT -5
The 'expectation' game. Often times when something is built up as being so good by others it doesn't look good when finally seeing for oneself. Parvati came into the game with essentially only 2 other players willing to talk to her. She was the #1 choice to vote off for the other 17. Russell and Danielle were the only two players that would play with her. Heck - J.T. was trying to get her out from the other tribe - and misplayed this and actually ended up 'saving' her. She was able to read Amanda at a key point that allowed her to play both idols on different players leaving herself exposed. I give her high marks for being able to read the opposition - which she doesn't survive otherwise. In a game 'dominated' early on by Russell - Parvati was able to outplay him in the end. As far as the 'social' game - not sure what she was going to do. 17 players were going to have nothing to do with her before the game started. She seemed willing to talk to anyone... Sandra was on the wrong side of the vote the entire game. She tried to get people to vote out Russell, but essentially failed to get anyone to do this. She was given great credit for trying at FTC. Sandra was very effective at keeping herself in the game - and she does actively do this as opposed to riding other coattails - and I think that a good thing. The main reason for her getting the vote was the total dislike by the jury of the other two. Parvati was criticized for being aligned with Russell - and Russell was so universally hated. She really had no other avenue in the game. I mean, Sanda tried to work with the heroes, while Parvati didn't. Russell actually did too, but he only used the heroes when he needed to vote out one of his alliance. Also, this isn't shown on screen, but apparently Parvati and Russell thought it was a great idea to actually read JT's note and mock the heroes with it repeatedly post-merge. Plus, Sandra had Courtney's vote locked up. So she won 6-3. Seemed pretty straightforward to me. The heroes not listening to her was a big part of the reason why they voted for her in the end. I think Parvati also made a major mistake when she hid that idol from Russell basically just for her own ego. He lost trust in her after that and ended up voting out Danielle, her true top ally. Parvati also really benefited from being allied with Russell early (he played JT) and also from Tyson's (in Courtney's words) "FUBAR." Parvati did a good job of winning immunity challenges late to keep herself from getting voted out, but aside from her admittedly impressive double idol move, I didn't really see her doing a whole lot else, and one flashy move is not enough in my view. I will concede the point that Parvati did have the biggest target of anyone going into the game, so her options on potential allies were limited. Also, I'm not sure Sandra was really on the wrong side of the vote that much. She did try to convince people to vote Russell off, but she actually usually ended up voting with him when she realized the heroes weren't going to listen. In fact, the only votes that Sandra was actually on the wrong side of the entire game were the Tyson one (which is definitely not her fault), the Rob one (the leader of her alliance--she had to scramble from this point on), and the Danielle one (Russell got Jerri to change her vote at the last minute at tribal council). Sandra also engineered the Coach vote out, which kept her safe long enough to make the merge after she had to sacrifice her last remaining alliance member in Courtney, who voted for her to win at the end. It's also kind of incredible that Sandra didn't get any votes cast against her in her entire Survivor career until the final six of her second season. I also think playing her idol so confidently (even though she was still on the right side of the vote) won her a lot of the points with the jury. As with Aubry in Kaoh Rong, I wouldn't have been outraged if Parvati had won the final vote, but I do think that the winner of both seasons was deserving due to their superior social games. Agree that Sandra's 'game' was more subtle when viewing in the context of her winning as opposed to watching once a week over 3 months. Both her wins at the time was, 'who is she and how did she make the finals'. JT and Tyson's stupidity in the game was pretty huge - it takes a lot of good fortune to make the finals. As to social game as it pertained to the Heroes. Interesting context among the Heroes vote which went 5-0 for Sandra. At that time - there was a bit of 'code' over what was fair gamesmanship - and Parvati's Season 16 broke that code and probably put her on the outside with the Heroes. Rupert had a pretty strong relationship with Sandra from Season 7 - and would vote for to win the $1M twice. Rupert may have had a huge impact on the rest of the Heroes votes? Colby was so old school (and in retrospect, not a very good player) and would consider what Parvati did in S16 as unacceptable. The Amanda vote is very interesting - as Parvati and Amanda were good friends and allies from S16 - but not sure they remained that close after the finals with Parvati's 'betrayal' of James/Ozzie (and Amanda). Candice and JT - who knows what they think. Making fun of the JT letter - was pretty funny considering how stupid JT was, but may have not done her any favors. Your right - Sandra ended up on the right side of the vote, which was different than what she wanted. I give her credit for knowing what the vote was going to be - this is as important to me. She was unable to impact the vote in most occasions - but at least she knew what the vote was going to be. I didn't share your appreciation of Courtney. Interesting how everybody views these things differently.
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Post by ilikecorn on Jun 1, 2020 21:09:54 GMT -5
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