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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Aug 11, 2020 11:00:09 GMT -5
MN VB and FB were moved to a March-May season. No guidance on changing the HS-Club overlap rule yet. The Clubs want to start a fall league so girls can get some touches in but the High School governing board has said that any girl who plays in this FALL league will be ineligible for SPRING High School volleyball. One girl was told by her hs coach that if she plays in the fall, she will not be allowed to be a captain for NEXT year’s season. I feel like the high school board here in Minnesota is grossly underestimating how many girls play club and the value that’s seen in playing club. And if the school threatens this and a kid listens THEN there is no school spring season who misses out then?! I really want to believe this isn’t true but I’ve seen and heard of some Coach shenanigans at the school level so I am really pushing at the disbelief, meaning I’m leaning toward believing they would try to pull this nonsense with the kids. We all know most real development takes place in the club gyms, not all and not always but being honest: a great majority does, the school coaches and teams are often the recipients of that work in the “off season”.
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Post by binexus on Aug 11, 2020 11:03:03 GMT -5
Could someone give me some context to the level of high school volleyball in the US? In Canada, specifically Ontario, high school volleyball is generally (edit: generally is being kind, I should say almost assuredly) at a lower level than playing in a club. There are also a decent amount of clubs in the province, with the highest concentration and level being around the Greater Toronto Area (Southern Ontario). If players want to be scouted by Universities, then club is the way. Colleges also scout through clubs, but may also look at athletes that played only high school. From what I know of the other provinces, this is similar throughout Canada. Essentially, if you are a player that only played high school or a little of club volleyball you would likely be seen as less valuable or skilled than a player that played club.
It's surprising to hear the influence that high schools and coaches have over athletes and from my perspective seems almost backwards. I'm sure that this wouldn't apply to all of the US, but I'm interested in learning a little about it.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Aug 11, 2020 11:09:53 GMT -5
Could someone give me some context to the level of high school volleyball in the US? In Canada, specifically Ontario, high school volleyball is generally (edit: generally is being kind, I should say almost assuredly) at a lower level than playing in a club. There are also a decent amount of clubs in the province, with the highest concentration and level being around the Greater Toronto Area (Southern Ontario). If players want to be scouted by Universities, then club is the way. Colleges also scout through clubs, but may also look at athletes that played only high school. From what I know of the other provinces, this is similar throughout Canada. Essentially, if you are a player that only played high school or a little of club volleyball you would likely be seen as less valuable or skilled than a player that played club. It's surprising to hear the influence that high schools and coaches have over athletes and from my perspective seems almost backwards. I'm sure that this wouldn't apply to all of the US, but I'm interested in learning a little about it. I believe it’s very much the same here. It always surprises me to read statements similar to what i quoted above as well being that the dynamics you express are similar to the US, at least in the Midwest.
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Post by jammaster on Aug 11, 2020 12:51:34 GMT -5
Could someone give me some context to the level of high school volleyball in the US? In Canada, specifically Ontario, high school volleyball is generally (edit: generally is being kind, I should say almost assuredly) at a lower level than playing in a club. There are also a decent amount of clubs in the province, with the highest concentration and level being around the Greater Toronto Area (Southern Ontario). If players want to be scouted by Universities, then club is the way. Colleges also scout through clubs, but may also look at athletes that played only high school. From what I know of the other provinces, this is similar throughout Canada. Essentially, if you are a player that only played high school or a little of club volleyball you would likely be seen as less valuable or skilled than a player that played club. It's surprising to hear the influence that high schools and coaches have over athletes and from my perspective seems almost backwards. I'm sure that this wouldn't apply to all of the US, but I'm interested in learning a little about it. Mostly this is true in the states, but there are exceptions. Regions like Southern California and North Texas are the first ones to come to mind. In Southern California CIF Open division playoffs are right up there with top club. You get teams like Torrey Pines, Mater Dei, Redondo Union stacked with all the top club players from Wave, Coast, Mizuno LB, T-Street, etc. and they play a very high level game. It's televised locally and I think the kids probably value it near their club experience.
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Post by binexus on Aug 11, 2020 14:43:56 GMT -5
Thanks to you both for replying. Seeing as it's similar, I'm thinking those that are being pressured are likely middle of the pack players in locations that might not have the highest level of club ball to begin with. Here the coaches would be lucky to have a handful of club players on the roster (the most I've seen is around 6 or 7, give or take). On the other hand, some club players avoid it because the level is so low and it is an added risk of injury during the year.
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Post by wilbur on Aug 11, 2020 16:10:24 GMT -5
Not sure if an exaggeration. However, if that were the case, he'd have what is likely the highest spike touch on record. I'm sure that he jumps very high, but the highest that I could find with cursory research was that he touched 12'3" or ~374 cm years ago. There are men's players that touch higher than that; Daenen Gyimah (UCLA alum) touches around 12'6" and Sharone V-E who touches 12'6.5" are some examples, and they are both younger with potential to increase that (which is insane). Jeff Menzel is definitely hovering over 12' in this photo. And this was off a block-jump, so his approach jump would be even higher. from someone who has a clue; you have no idea what you are talking about with regard to men's and women's vertical touches. That pic of Jeff is insane and he could fly but it was a perfect camera angle and zoom that gave that perspective. IIRC he was just shy of 12' max attack touch after he graduated UCSB. There ain't no woman who is touching 11' in the world and very few on women's FIVB rosters that get over 10'6", like a dozen plus a few.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 11, 2020 16:13:28 GMT -5
I was watching a game on youtube last night, and a gal jumped so high that she blocked it with her face; point blank range. Got the point though.
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Post by AmeriCanvbdad on Aug 11, 2020 20:43:36 GMT -5
UPDATE... Minnesota State High School League has decided to allow female athletes to participate in fall leagues that are outside of High School WITHOUT having to give up their Spring High School eligibility. They also said girls can practice with their High School teams from Sept 14- Oct 3 (approximately). They are allowed something like 12 sessions within that time.
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Post by nakedcrayon on Aug 11, 2020 21:17:52 GMT -5
Texas HS started today for most part. Could have played yesterday but many teams used as a scrimmage. Don’t know how I long it may last but we have begun
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Post by volleav on Aug 12, 2020 1:36:08 GMT -5
Texas HS started today for most part. Could have played yesterday but many teams used as a scrimmage. Don’t know how I long it may last but we have begun Only 1A-4A started playing today. 5A& 6A are still a month out. Those schools are all praying UIL stays open to play.
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Post by nakedcrayon on Aug 12, 2020 12:15:22 GMT -5
Texas HS started today for most part. Could have played yesterday but many teams used as a scrimmage. Don’t know how I long it may last but we have begun Only 1A-4A started playing today. 5A& 6A are still a month out. Those schools are all praying UIL stays open to play. Yes but as someone who reffed a real match between small school powers in the state it was surREAL to say the least
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Post by volleav on Aug 12, 2020 13:08:28 GMT -5
Only 1A-4A started playing today. 5A& 6A are still a month out. Those schools are all praying UIL stays open to play. Yes but as someone who reffed a real match between small school powers in the state it was surREAL to say the least Do you think things will stay open to allow the bigger schools to play?
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 12, 2020 16:59:52 GMT -5
Did AZ and NV get cancelled? I was poking around Maxpreps, and noticed that several of those schools got their schedules deleted. (Sorry if this was already covered, I haven't read the whole thread.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 17:08:05 GMT -5
Yes but as someone who reffed a real match between small school powers in the state it was surREAL to say the least Do you think things will stay open to allow the bigger schools to play? No. Couple of weeks and some positive cases and quarantined and it will get shutdown. Just like schools in other states tried in person and are now going remote
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Post by zzyzx on Aug 12, 2020 17:14:07 GMT -5
Did AZ and NV get cancelled? I was poking around Maxpreps, and noticed that several of those schools got their schedules deleted. (Sorry if this was already covered, I haven't read the whole thread.) NV has been postponed to spring (March-April)
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