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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 18:53:06 GMT -5
Seems like HS would better prepare a player for what you might expect in college. Rather than playing only with players your same age and skill level, you bring together a variety of players from a variety of clubs, where a freshman can beat out a senior, and then you have to figure out a way to bring it altogether somehow, and gel as a team. I think it depends where the HS is. In SoCal, the CIF Southern Section has great HS volleyball. Last year the typical (Open, DI, DII, and DIII) varsity teams were filled with D1 commits, or ranked PSAs. But if this season a player has to choose, they will likely play Club. At least, that is the consensus based on my limited contacts with other players/parents here so far. Seeing that only 4% of high school girls play DI-III ball that is a highly stacked area and if girls choose club over high school it would give that many more girls a chance to represent their school and build the character that sports are so great at building. I'm looking at the positive that it could create more opportunity not less.
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Post by crando on Jul 20, 2020 19:11:03 GMT -5
It depends, certainly. The split season idea allows players to do both, as usual. And CA is allowing players to play a club sport during the same sport's HS season this year, as a one-time exception. I could see a strong HS program saying, "Play HS, and we'll move a Thursday match and let you go to Triple Crown with your club team" or something; that said, you'd think SCVA would move the Vegas Showcase out of February. Then the season's over, aside from State, before any of the non-18s qualifiers start in mid-March. We'll assume SCVA and NCVA will tweak their boys schedules to work with the new Dec-Feb HS boys season, because boys club always works around HS season. So it should be doable for girls too.
If people have to choose, HS is a lot cheaper, if you're in a place where the team, and coaching, is good. With boys and girls HS at the same time, there are a lot of coaches who usually coach both. Add in conflicts for getting gym time, and some Freshman and JV teams will certainly disappear this year. If club continues through the break too, that's a ton more girls HS coaches who won't be available, which means more Frosh and JV teams going away.
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Post by zzyzx on Jul 20, 2020 19:32:48 GMT -5
SCVA pulled their tentative schedule and tryout dates from the website. Looks like a major revision is coming.
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Post by henryj on Jul 20, 2020 19:56:38 GMT -5
I feel horrible for the coaches. We have a family friend, daughters former club coach, that coaches HS girls & boys as well as coach girls club and some boys. He is pulling his hair out right now trying to figure a way of not giving up a team.
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Post by winesalot on Jul 20, 2020 20:21:44 GMT -5
Here is another possible issue, IMO...let's say your entire varsity team picks club ball over school ball so you move a bunch of kids up from the freshman/JV teams. What happens in the fall of 2021 when the season goes back to normal? What happens to your spring 2021 "Varsity" team? Will you give them priority over the athletes that chose club ball?
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Post by jammaster on Jul 20, 2020 20:30:56 GMT -5
Here is another possible issue, IMO...let's say your entire varsity team picks club ball over school ball so you move a bunch of kids up from the freshman/JV teams. What happens in the fall of 2021 when the season goes back to normal? What happens to your spring 2021 "Varsity" team? Will you give them priority over the athletes that chose club ball? I think most kids will prioritize club, but also play HS when possible (unless some type of covid protocol prevents it). It's a lot like how top swimmers do it. They only attend club practice and attend all club meets, but show up when possible for HS meets. I think this is what my DD will want to do. But will the coach go for it? I don't know. She is 2023 so we are lucky. I can't imagine what the 2021s without commit (who want to play college ball) are feeling right now. 2022s have a tough road as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 21:09:01 GMT -5
Imo seems like people are thinking schools are going to go out of there way to accommodate club players. I think there are going to be done hard choices for kids and coaches and I would never imagine my DD school would look to move games or save roster spot if she isn't committed to the team. Probably not meant as such, but that sort of thinking reeks of entitlement. Make your choice, make your sacrifice and live with how it plays out.
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Post by cutshot818 on Jul 20, 2020 21:21:12 GMT -5
At least in Southern California, there won't be any conflicts between CIF (HS volleyball) and SCVA (club volleyball). The principal decision-makers of both organizations worked out a collaboration a long time ago.
Elite talent or talent that hopes to play at the college level will pick club over high school ball 100% of the time, especially if you're in the phase where you need to be seen by recruiters. No one recruits from the high school game anymore.
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Post by jammaster on Jul 21, 2020 0:15:42 GMT -5
At least in Southern California, there won't be any conflicts between CIF (HS volleyball) and SCVA (club volleyball). The principal decision-makers of both organizations worked out a collaboration a long time ago. Elite talent or talent that hopes to play at the college level will pick club over high school ball 100% of the time, especially if you're in the phase where you need to be seen by recruiters. No one recruits from the high school game anymore. Agree 100%. We are in SoCal, so I really hope you are right. My kid isn't on anyone's radar outside of our area, so not elite, but she has high goals. As a 2023, we have it easy, but even as a 2023, she still says she will 100% prioritize club. We do want her to support the HS team and she does as well, but she isn't willing to sacrifice club.
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Post by winesalot on Jul 21, 2020 9:19:24 GMT -5
Imo seems like people are thinking schools are going to go out of there way to accommodate club players. I think there are going to be done hard choices for kids and coaches and I would never imagine my DD school would look to move games or save roster spot if she isn't committed to the team. Probably not meant as such, but that sort of thinking reeks of entitlement. Make your choice, make your sacrifice and live with how it plays out. I think HS coaches want to use all of the talent available at their school. If that means accommodating club players, I think they will try. I'm interested to hear a coach's perspective on this.
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Post by vbnerd on Jul 21, 2020 9:28:27 GMT -5
If I'm reading these articles correctly, Florida has a sports medicine advisory committee, made up mostly of Doctors, that made "several" official recommendations including that football and indoor volleyball were not safe, and to delay all fall sports indefinitely, but a board of administrators voted down all of the Doctors recommendations, and fall practice will start on Monday as scheduled, if your municipality will allow it.
Does anyone have more information on this? Is there a safety strategy here or is the FHSAA just ignoring COVID?
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Post by karlmalowned on Jul 21, 2020 9:55:23 GMT -5
HS & Club coach here - I have no idea what to think or what I'm going to do. This could completely change in the next week or day or hour, but I am hoping to coach HS and help with as many club practices/tournaments as possible (but will not be able to be the head or assistant coach for a club team). Because we aren't in SoCal, the level of club ball is definitely more beneficial for the long term athletic development of the players, so I'll be making it clear to my players that I support whatever decision they make and will encourage a few of them to choose club over high school, but those players will retain their spot on our high school team and will hopefully be able to make it to several HS practices and games still. We will likely have a larger varsity roster than normal, we will likely have different numbers of players at every practice and match, we will likely have some tough decisions and conversations when those who are also playing club are competing for playing time on our HS team with a player who is not playing club (and is coming to everything), but I'm really not sure what else to do.
Ultimately, I'm just glad/hopeful that there will be a high school season of some sort even if it causes a lot of issues with the club season. It will be interesting to see if there is a consolidation of clubs in certain areas due to fewer coaches being available - I am one of several at my club who also coaches HS and is in this position and know this is true for many other clubs in our area (and I'd imagine the rest of the country).
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Post by nakedcrayon on Jul 21, 2020 10:27:04 GMT -5
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Post by eazy on Jul 21, 2020 11:15:52 GMT -5
HS & Club coach here - I have no idea what to think or what I'm going to do. This could completely change in the next week or day or hour, but I am hoping to coach HS and help with as many club practices/tournaments as possible (but will not be able to be the head or assistant coach for a club team). Because we aren't in SoCal, the level of club ball is definitely more beneficial for the long term athletic development of the players, so I'll be making it clear to my players that I support whatever decision they make and will encourage a few of them to choose club over high school, but those players will retain their spot on our high school team and will hopefully be able to make it to several HS practices and games still. We will likely have a larger varsity roster than normal, we will likely have different numbers of players at every practice and match, we will likely have some tough decisions and conversations when those who are also playing club are competing for playing time on our HS team with a player who is not playing club (and is coming to everything), but I'm really not sure what else to do. Ultimately, I'm just glad/hopeful that there will be a high school season of some sort even if it causes a lot of issues with the club season. It will be interesting to see if there is a consolidation of clubs in certain areas due to fewer coaches being available - I am one of several at my club who also coaches HS and is in this position and know this is true for many other clubs in our area (and I'd imagine the rest of the country). This is great insight into coaches perspectives from someone who does both. Do you have any concern about allowing players to play club and high school at the same time based on contact tracing? If a player attends a club tournament out of state and then returns to practice with the high school team, will all the high school players/families feel comfortable being in an athletic environment with that person who has recently traveled and been exposed to so many different people?
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Post by karlmalowned on Jul 21, 2020 11:47:58 GMT -5
HS & Club coach here - I have no idea what to think or what I'm going to do. This could completely change in the next week or day or hour, but I am hoping to coach HS and help with as many club practices/tournaments as possible (but will not be able to be the head or assistant coach for a club team). Because we aren't in SoCal, the level of club ball is definitely more beneficial for the long term athletic development of the players, so I'll be making it clear to my players that I support whatever decision they make and will encourage a few of them to choose club over high school, but those players will retain their spot on our high school team and will hopefully be able to make it to several HS practices and games still. We will likely have a larger varsity roster than normal, we will likely have different numbers of players at every practice and match, we will likely have some tough decisions and conversations when those who are also playing club are competing for playing time on our HS team with a player who is not playing club (and is coming to everything), but I'm really not sure what else to do. Ultimately, I'm just glad/hopeful that there will be a high school season of some sort even if it causes a lot of issues with the club season. It will be interesting to see if there is a consolidation of clubs in certain areas due to fewer coaches being available - I am one of several at my club who also coaches HS and is in this position and know this is true for many other clubs in our area (and I'd imagine the rest of the country). This is great insight into coaches perspectives from someone who does both. Do you have any concern about allowing players to play club and high school at the same time based on contact tracing? If a player attends a club tournament out of state and then returns to practice with the high school team, will all the high school players/families feel comfortable being in an athletic environment with that person who has recently traveled and been exposed to so many different people? I'm a little embarrassed to say that I hadn't even thought about that. That will definitely be a major challenge and will need to be a consideration. I'd expect for our high school and league to have regulations on the approach for dealing with it, especially since volleyball will not be the only sport encountering these types of situations. Thinking about it, the school really will need to come up with a plan just from having students go to out of state club tournaments and then possibly returning to in-person classes with other students and teachers at the school (not even considering the high school volleyball component). Yikes
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