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Post by silverchloride on Jul 31, 2020 14:09:36 GMT -5
It will also conflict with countless major tournaments/qualifiers. They have not made an announcement on the rule limiting outside competition like California did. How many clubs will try to make players choose between club and school in the spring? If I were a HS coach and a player of mine bailed on our season to play club I would have a hard time welcoming them back to my program later. Seems to me that decision would be a final one. The HS coaches are usually Club coaches as well, ours is. There is 0% chance that kids will be ostracized for playing in a JNQ, or NIT if it conflicts with HS. The HS games would be moved to accommodate the players and schedules. Most Varsity players (if not all) play club here. Now, in the 1980s, you do not show up, you are done.
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Post by eazy on Jul 31, 2020 14:12:10 GMT -5
It will also conflict with countless major tournaments/qualifiers. They have not made an announcement on the rule limiting outside competition like California did. How many clubs will try to make players choose between club and school in the spring? If I were a HS coach and a player of mine bailed on our season to play club I would have a hard time welcoming them back to my program later. Seems to me that decision would be a final one. I'm not a fan of coaches like that. It seems like you're asking the kids to put the school program needs ahead of their own, potentially. What if the major qualifiers are not rescheduled? You'd ask a kid that wants to be seen by as many college coaches as possible to instead play 2 matches a week with no spectators? If they put their recruiting exposure first junior year, commit to a D1 school, and want to play senior year you'd turn them away?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 14:22:50 GMT -5
IL will be interesting as there are a lot of high level clubs and schools. I don't expect any major exceptions, like allowance to play club and school at same time, but I could see windy city qualifier pushed back to accommodate home state issues. WCPL getting all league dates complete prior to high school season starting, so those bids would be assigned. It is curious to note that HS season start date of 2.15.21 is presidents day. Otherwise known as one of the biggest non-qualifier VB weekends of the year. With the new rules in Illinois no one can compete outside of their EMS region until Level 4. There's absolutely no telling when that will happen. I can't imagine any power leagues happening in Illinois this year. Way too hard to predict when it will be able to start/end and what could shut it down in the middle. That's a big price-tag for such uncertainty. Completely agree that there is no way to tell, other than it will likely blow-up and therefore collapse. Like Mike Tyson said, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". or Helmuth von Moltke “No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.” Maybe someone here knows, but for IL, what determines your region? your personal home address? or your school/club address. I mean, home address is what makes sense, but I know DD school has homes in 2 different regions that have very different statuses right now.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jul 31, 2020 14:24:35 GMT -5
With the new rules in Illinois no one can compete outside of their EMS region until Level 4. There's absolutely no telling when that will happen. I can't imagine any power leagues happening in Illinois this year. Way too hard to predict when it will be able to start/end and what could shut it down in the middle. That's a big price-tag for such uncertainty. Completely agree that there is no way to tell, other than it will likely blow-up and therefore collapse. Like Mike Tyson said, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". or Helmuth von Moltke “No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.” Maybe someone here knows, but for IL, what determines your region? your personal home address? or your school/club address. I mean, home address is what makes sense, but I know DD school has homes in 2 different regions that have very different statuses right now. A Von Moltke reference?
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Post by eazy on Jul 31, 2020 14:32:33 GMT -5
With the new rules in Illinois no one can compete outside of their EMS region until Level 4. There's absolutely no telling when that will happen. I can't imagine any power leagues happening in Illinois this year. Way too hard to predict when it will be able to start/end and what could shut it down in the middle. That's a big price-tag for such uncertainty. Completely agree that there is no way to tell, other than it will likely blow-up and therefore collapse. Like Mike Tyson said, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". or Helmuth von Moltke “No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.” Maybe someone here knows, but for IL, what determines your region? your personal home address? or your school/club address. I mean, home address is what makes sense, but I know DD school has homes in 2 different regions that have very different statuses right now. That's a great question that I don't know the exact answer to, but I would guess school/club address. It'd be hard to imagine someone living on the edge of a county being told they couldn't play for their school 10 minute away in a different county that happens to be a different region.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 15:09:07 GMT -5
Completely agree that there is no way to tell, other than it will likely blow-up and therefore collapse. Like Mike Tyson said, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". or Helmuth von Moltke “No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.” Maybe someone here knows, but for IL, what determines your region? your personal home address? or your school/club address. I mean, home address is what makes sense, but I know DD school has homes in 2 different regions that have very different statuses right now. That's a great question that I don't know the exact answer to, but I would guess school/club address. It'd be hard to imagine someone living on the edge of a county being told they couldn't play for their school 10 minute away in a different county that happens to be a different region. right? on the same page that it would seem weird to say you can't play for your school due to your home address (especially for public schools). But since this is being driven by medical reasoning, it seems like it SHOULD be determined on your home address. Is it reasonable or safe for someone from Cook county to play for club in Grundy county? Isn't the risk factor they bring based on where they live? and if you say F it, base it on club/school address, what is point of having the regions? IDK...
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 7, 2020 10:45:41 GMT -5
There should be a site that posts all of the varsity rosters, so that we can see who made the cut.
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Post by volleav on Aug 7, 2020 11:37:59 GMT -5
There should be a site that posts all of the varsity rosters, so that we can see who made the cut. Max prep is probably your best option. But that's a lot of looking up each school lol
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 7, 2020 11:45:28 GMT -5
There should be a site that posts all of the varsity rosters, so that we can see who made the cut. Max prep is probably your best option. But that's a lot of looking up each school lol Yeah, once the season gets underway they usually do a pretty good job. But I wanna know now.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Aug 7, 2020 14:57:16 GMT -5
That's a great question that I don't know the exact answer to, but I would guess school/club address. It'd be hard to imagine someone living on the edge of a county being told they couldn't play for their school 10 minute away in a different county that happens to be a different region. right? on the same page that it would seem weird to say you can't play for your school due to your home address (especially for public schools). But since this is being driven by medical reasoning, it seems like it SHOULD be determined on your home address. Is it reasonable or safe for someone from Cook county to play for club in Grundy county? Isn't the risk factor they bring based on where they live? and if you say F it, base it on club/school address, what is point of having the regions? IDK... Like that would happen. A better real world life example would hold more water. LMFAO A better thought would be someone from Kendall or Grundy playing in DuPage OR Kendall or Kane playing in Cook but the reverse makes very little sense given the caliber of clubs in Cook and Will, to travel to Grundy is nonsensical. EDIT: And I get what you're saying but at the same time it won't happen that way. Someone from Cook would likely end up at Will or DuPage before Grundy…it is far more likely anyway, there's plenty of good vball in Cook so no need to travel if you can avoid it. Life is tough enough without adding your kid commute time to the mix of your own commute times.
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Post by eazy on Aug 7, 2020 15:10:39 GMT -5
right? on the same page that it would seem weird to say you can't play for your school due to your home address (especially for public schools). But since this is being driven by medical reasoning, it seems like it SHOULD be determined on your home address. Is it reasonable or safe for someone from Cook county to play for club in Grundy county? Isn't the risk factor they bring based on where they live? and if you say F it, base it on club/school address, what is point of having the regions? IDK... Like that would happen. A better real world life example would hold more water. LMFAO A better thought would be someone from Kendall or Grundy playing in DuPage OR Kendall or Kane playing in Cook but the reverse makes very little sense given the caliber of clubs in Cook and Will, to travel to Grundy is nonsensical. EDIT: And I get what you're saying but at the same time it won't happen that way. Someone from Cook would likely end up at Will or DuPage before Grundy…it is far more likely anyway, there's plenty of good vball in Cook so no need to travel if you can avoid it. Life is tough enough without adding your kid commute time to the mix of your own commute times. I think you're getting too hung up on that example and your own location. There are actually players from Wisconsin and Iowa and Indiana that travel across state lines to go play at a better club than their local options. I heard of one kid that traveled from Michigan to play in Chicagoland. It might not be common, but it definitely happens.
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Post by cutshot818 on Aug 8, 2020 1:29:37 GMT -5
It will also conflict with countless major tournaments/qualifiers. They have not made an announcement on the rule limiting outside competition like California did. How many clubs will try to make players choose between club and school in the spring? If I were a HS coach and a player of mine bailed on our season to play club I would have a hard time welcoming them back to my program later. Seems to me that decision would be a final one. Most coaches would make different decisions based on the individual player. If the player is 6'2" with killer skills and can touch 11'6" and lead us to a league, section, and possibly state championship, we're gonna welcome her back and give her lots of hugs. If she is average, or below, and her parents don't donate huge chunks to our fundraising, well sorry someone else beat you out for that spot. #realcoachtalk
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Post by rtael on Aug 8, 2020 2:15:07 GMT -5
If I were a HS coach and a player of mine bailed on our season to play club I would have a hard time welcoming them back to my program later. Seems to me that decision would be a final one. Most coaches would make different decisions based on the individual player. If the player is 6'2" with killer skills and can touch 11'6" and lead us to a league, section, and possibly state championship, we're gonna welcome her back and give her lots of hugs. If she is average, or below, and her parents don't donate huge chunks to our fundraising, well sorry someone else beat you out for that spot. #realcoachtalk #childabusetalk
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Post by cutshot818 on Aug 8, 2020 2:33:13 GMT -5
Most coaches would make different decisions based on the individual player. If the player is 6'2" with killer skills and can touch 11'6" and lead us to a league, section, and possibly state championship, we're gonna welcome her back and give her lots of hugs. If she is average, or below, and her parents don't donate huge chunks to our fundraising, well sorry someone else beat you out for that spot. #realcoachtalk #childabusetalk Hahahaha. Well, that escalated quickly! LOL.
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Post by jammaster on Aug 8, 2020 17:58:05 GMT -5
If I were a HS coach and a player of mine bailed on our season to play club I would have a hard time welcoming them back to my program later. Seems to me that decision would be a final one. Most coaches would make different decisions based on the individual player. If the player is 6'2" with killer skills and can touch 11'6" and lead us to a league, section, and possibly state championship, we're gonna welcome her back and give her lots of hugs. If she is average, or below, and her parents don't donate huge chunks to our fundraising, well sorry someone else beat you out for that spot. #realcoachtalk This is unfortunately very true. When a kid is just good enough to earn a spot on a team, but they are on the bubble the coaches can do whatever they want. It's especially tricky to navigate if the HS coach also runs a club and the kid doesn't play on that club. Now, if the player in question isn't on the bubble, but rather someone that every club or HS nearby would love to have on the court it is a totally different set of rules. As mentioned above it would be a rare coach that doesn't run the stud player when they can, even for a portion of season. They might not be happy with the situation, but they are going to want that kid on the court.
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