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Post by ineedajob on Jul 29, 2020 13:48:06 GMT -5
Lou Holtz was being interviewed about COVID a couple of weeks ago. I encourage you to search for it on YouTube. He pleaded "Can you please let me live my life until I die? I don't want to die now and be buried in 5 years. Let me make my own choices and LIVE." He also said that we are supposed to be the "home of the brave." No more. Now we are all running scared of a virus, putting much of life completely on hold and sheltering in place. Sad. One video is appropriately titled: "Lou Holtz has CLUELESS Temper-Tantrum on Fox News." Spoiler alert: It's as useless as everything else Lou Holtz has said in the last 15 years.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 29, 2020 14:50:46 GMT -5
Nothing more infuriating than this being cast as a test of courage. Edit: to be clear, I am posting through your post to the post you responded to. When I say "you" I am referring to oldman and the Lou Holtz post and in no way mean (R)uffda!* One of the worst fires in California history was reported when it was less than an acre, but the response was small and slow. It burned down 2800 houses and was major international news. Things to note: It could have and should have been put out immediately, but response was slow, the sun set and they waited over night. In short order, left unchecked, it went from 1 acre to 300,000 acres. Studies now show that if we would have shut down 2 weeks before we did, we would have had 80% fewer infections, and we would be fully open now, with safeguards in place. 2800 homes is well less than one half of one percent of all the houses in the general area, so it was apparently not a significant enough number that anybody should have really cared at all, let alone be talked about around the world. There were only 15 deaths. The majority of the people in those houses heeded the mandatory evacuation order, those un-American cowards. Just because you are tired of the fire and are unhappy that it has grown so big and near to your house, doesn't mean we send the firefighters home and let you go into your burning house. It should never have become this big, but now that it is, it isn't about you anymore, it is about containing the fire and slowing the spread to prevent your house from becoming the inferno that sets your neighbors on fire.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Jul 29, 2020 15:41:18 GMT -5
Nothing more infuriating than this being cast as a test of courage. Edit: to be clear, I am posting through your post to the post you responded to. When I say "you" I am referring to oldman and the Lou Holtz post and in no way mean (R)uffda!* One of the worst fires in California history was reported when it was less than an acre, but the response was small and slow. It burned down 2800 houses and was major international news. Things to note: It could have and should have been put out immediately, but response was slow, the sun set and they waited over night. In short order, left unchecked, it went from 1 acre to 300,000 acres. Studies now show that if we would have shut down 2 weeks before we did, we would have had 80% fewer infections, and we would be fully open now, with safeguards in place. 2800 homes is well less than one half of one percent of all the houses in the general area, so it was apparently not a significant enough number that anybody should have really cared at all, let alone be talked about around the world. There were only 15 deaths. The majority of the people in those houses heeded the mandatory evacuation order, those un-American cowards. Just because you are tired of the fire and are unhappy that it has grown so big and near to your house, doesn't mean we send the firefighters home and let you go into your burning house. It should never have become this big, but now that it is, it isn't about you anymore, it is about containing the fire and slowing the spread to prevent your house from becoming the inferno that sets your neighbors on fire. Nice analogy
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Post by lo4um on Jul 29, 2020 16:00:55 GMT -5
Honestly asking, you don't think we will have a vaccine or medicine to help by then? Right now, we have a zero tolerance for COVID. One case means everything gets shut down. Games, concerts, weddings. The problem with that is, we will never have "no COVID." Yes, it's possible (though certainly not a given) that we will have a vaccine. But vaccines aren't 100 percent effective. The best we can probably hope for is 60 to 70 percent efficacy. Great! But what about the other 30 to 40 percent that the vaccine doesn't work for? We still have COVID! Treatments? Sure. But we already have quite decent treatments right now. This is the first time in our nation's history that we have allowed an illness to shut down life indefinitely. A big part of that is pure arrogance: We are so smart that we can out fox the virus. We can choke it off with our masks and eventually we will kill it completely with a vaccine. The truth is, we are going to have COVID from now on, just like flu, HIV, and ear infections. It's a part of life. But until we come to that realization and look at facts instead of listening to sensationalism on TV, our old lives are shut down. The actual death rate of COVID-19 is going to settle in the .1 to .12 percent range, very similar to the flu. That's 1 to 1.2 out of 1,000. With folks under the age of 40 having a much better chance of dying from flu. Everyone says "Well those age 85 and older are at risk!" Yes, folks 85 and older are at risk of just about anything killing them, including falls, breaks, colds, flu, and UTIs. When you get to 85, you are vulnerable to anything. As you grow older, you're more vulnerable. That isn't anything new. Very true. The death rate right now without a vaccine is .035%. Also, a group of doctors had a press conference the other day stating they have treated hundreds of patients with hydroxychloroquine. Patients with heart disease, diabetes, and all have walked out the door. But of course all the videos of this have been deleted off social media because the big tech don’t want people to know the truth. Get off CNN and do your own research people.
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Post by ineedajob on Jul 29, 2020 16:07:44 GMT -5
Right now, we have a zero tolerance for COVID. One case means everything gets shut down. Games, concerts, weddings. The problem with that is, we will never have "no COVID." Yes, it's possible (though certainly not a given) that we will have a vaccine. But vaccines aren't 100 percent effective. The best we can probably hope for is 60 to 70 percent efficacy. Great! But what about the other 30 to 40 percent that the vaccine doesn't work for? We still have COVID! Treatments? Sure. But we already have quite decent treatments right now. This is the first time in our nation's history that we have allowed an illness to shut down life indefinitely. A big part of that is pure arrogance: We are so smart that we can out fox the virus. We can choke it off with our masks and eventually we will kill it completely with a vaccine. The truth is, we are going to have COVID from now on, just like flu, HIV, and ear infections. It's a part of life. But until we come to that realization and look at facts instead of listening to sensationalism on TV, our old lives are shut down. The actual death rate of COVID-19 is going to settle in the .1 to .12 percent range, very similar to the flu. That's 1 to 1.2 out of 1,000. With folks under the age of 40 having a much better chance of dying from flu. Everyone says "Well those age 85 and older are at risk!" Yes, folks 85 and older are at risk of just about anything killing them, including falls, breaks, colds, flu, and UTIs. When you get to 85, you are vulnerable to anything. As you grow older, you're more vulnerable. That isn't anything new. Very true. The death rate right now without a vaccine is .035%. Also, a group of doctors had a press conference the other day stating they have treated hundreds of patients with hydroxychloroquine. Patients with heart disease, diabetes, and all have walked out the door. But of course all the videos of this have been deleted off social media because the big tech don’t want people to know the truth. Get off CNN and do your own research people. Yeah... that's not why it has been deleted from social media.
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Post by lo4um on Jul 29, 2020 16:17:14 GMT -5
Very true. The death rate right now without a vaccine is .035%. Also, a group of doctors had a press conference the other day stating they have treated hundreds of patients with hydroxychloroquine. Patients with heart disease, diabetes, and all have walked out the door. But of course all the videos of this have been deleted off social media because the big tech don’t want people to know the truth. Get off CNN and do your own research people. Yeah... that's not why it has been deleted from social media. Why was it deleted then?
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Post by ineedajob on Jul 29, 2020 16:19:49 GMT -5
Yeah... that's not why it has been deleted from social media. Why was it deleted then? Because it was a bunch of hacks who claimed to be members of a fake organization and have no expertise in the field.
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Post by lo4um on Jul 29, 2020 16:24:10 GMT -5
Because it was a bunch of hacks who claimed to be members of a fake organization and have no expertise in the field. I saw a quote online today and I thought I would share. “Bill Gates (a software developer) is allowed to speak on COVID-19 but medical doctors are censored by youtube?” If you don’t see the problem here, you’re part of the problem.
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Post by lo4um on Jul 29, 2020 16:25:43 GMT -5
Because it was a bunch of hacks who claimed to be members of a fake organization and have no expertise in the field. No expertise in the field?!? Medical doctors TREATING COVID patients, saving lives are a bunch of hacks? I almost feel bad for you.
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Post by ineedajob on Jul 29, 2020 16:26:47 GMT -5
Because it was a bunch of hacks who claimed to be members of a fake organization and have no expertise in the field. I saw a quote online today and I thought I would share. “Bill Gates (a software developer) is allowed to speak on COVID-19 but medical doctors are censored by youtube?” If you don’t see the problem here, you’re part of the problem. I'm not familiar with Bill Gates' opinions on COVID-19. At least two of these "doctors" have been identified as complete frauds. If you watch the video and don't think that they're all somewhat loony, you're part of the problem.
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Post by ineedajob on Jul 29, 2020 16:31:23 GMT -5
Because it was a bunch of hacks who claimed to be members of a fake organization and have no expertise in the field. No expertise in the field?!? Medical doctors TREATING COVID patients, saving lives are a bunch of hacks? I almost feel bad for you. There is zero evidence to any of those claims. Until there is, "hacks" they will remain.
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Post by lo4um on Jul 29, 2020 16:36:54 GMT -5
I saw a quote online today and I thought I would share. “Bill Gates (a software developer) is allowed to speak on COVID-19 but medical doctors are censored by youtube?” If you don’t see the problem here, you’re part of the problem. I'm not familiar with Bill Gates' opinions on COVID-19. At least two of these "doctors" have been identified as complete frauds. If you watch the video and don't think that they're all somewhat loony, you're part of the problem. So far you have called a group of doctors who are saving lives: hacks, looney, and frauds. On the other hand you have no idea what Bill Gates is trying to put into all of us. Bill Gates wants to treat with a vaccine and chip while these doctors are saying we already have a cure. It’s clear that you only pay attention to one side and haven’t looked into the other side at all.
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Post by lo4um on Jul 29, 2020 16:37:41 GMT -5
No expertise in the field?!? Medical doctors TREATING COVID patients, saving lives are a bunch of hacks? I almost feel bad for you. There is zero evidence to any of those claims. Until there is, "hacks" they will remain. Hundreds of patients treated and surviving isn’t evidence?
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Post by ineedajob on Jul 29, 2020 16:42:21 GMT -5
There is zero evidence to any of those claims. Until there is, "hacks" they will remain. Hundreds of patients treated and surviving isn’t evidence? Without a study being performed, no. Let's stop talking about this here. It has nothing to do with the topic. I will be happy to continue in the "Off the net" section.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 17:03:47 GMT -5
Well, here's why we are where we are at. It's depressing this is so widespread (and I'm not talking about the virus).
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