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Post by ironhammer on Dec 11, 2020 1:34:09 GMT -5
For China I am not sure about that. I don't see a clear candidate. Yeah I heard An Jiajie, the current assistant coach, has been groomed to take the head coach job. But the feeling among Chinese fans that I am aware of, is that right now he isn't really cut out for the job. Maybe that's not a fair assessment, but the feeling among Chinese fans is that he doesn't have "the right stuff" to lead. Lai Yawen, the other assistant coach you mentioned, yes she has been with the team for many years, she was there basically ever since her retirement from her NT playing days in the 90's. But she has shown no willingness to take the top job and is quite happy being the assistant. Besides, she has other administrative duties running the volleyball federation in China and likely won't have the time to lead as head coach. Tianjin's head coach, Wang Baoquan, led the NT for a time in the 00's but had to quit because the pressure from the federation was too intense. Cai Bin, Jiangsu's current head coach, also once led the NT in the 00's but was fired for underperfomance and basically hounded from the job. Cai was angry and felt he was not given the opportunity to display his ability. He tried to get back his NT job and was the other candidate in the running for NT coach position in 2013 when Lang Ping got the job. He may want to try his hand again as NT coach, but given his experience with the sports bureaucracy in China, he may have second thoughts about it this time. Hopefully NOT Cai Bin. Wang Baoquan at least seems to be a changed man... Wang has an impressive list of championship trophies coaching Tianjin, but internationally, I get the feeling he's not too keen to do the NT job again. He had to quit his first stint as the NT coach because the immense pressure was too much on his body. Given that huge amount of attention is focused on China's women NT, every decision a NT coach makes will be under the microscope and scutinized many times over by the entire country. Coach Chen Zhonghe, the NT coach that led China to victory in 2004 at Athens, once said being China's coach is like having an entire mountain pressing down on you to try and squash you. Now add in the fact that the sports bureaucracy can and will overrule a coach at any moment (except for Lang Ping, because her prestige in China means she can tell off the bureaucrats to their faces). Not many people can deal with such pressure and excel.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Dec 11, 2020 3:43:40 GMT -5
Hopefully NOT Cai Bin. Wang Baoquan at least seems to be a changed man... Wang has an impressive list of championship trophies coaching Tianjin, but internationally, I get the feeling he's not too keen to do the NT job again. He had to quit his first stint as the NT coach because the immense pressure was too much on his body. Given the huge amount of attention is focused on China's women NT, every decision a NT coach makes will be under the microscope and scutinized many times over by the entire country. Coach Chen Zhonghe, the NT coach that led China to victory in 2004 at Athens, once said being China's coach is like having an entire mountain pressing down on you to try and squash you. Now add in the fact that the sports bureaucracy can and will overrule a coach at any moment (except for Lang Ping, because her prestige in China means she can tell off the bureaucrats to their faces). Not many people can deal with such pressure and excel. Agree that Wang Baoquan is unlikely, given the history between him, the NT, and ahem, *certain players* (although they've retired).
Ironically, since the team is so good right now, nobody would want to replace Jenny. No matter what happens you're gonna get compared and things won't be favorable, especially with Ding Xia getting older/retiring, Zhu Ting getting older, etc. How are any of the domestic coaches supposed to compare to 3 golds, 1 silver, and 1 bronze in 2013-19? Probably An Jiajie would get forced onto that role. I don't like that, with him trying to give Shandong players a chance but things just don't work that way (Qian Jingwen -- 2017, Yang Hanyu -- 2018-now, etc)
If we do defend the olympic title in 2021, it would just make this problem worse. (But I still hope we win, haha )
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Post by ironhammer on Dec 11, 2020 9:57:47 GMT -5
Wang has an impressive list of championship trophies coaching Tianjin, but internationally, I get the feeling he's not too keen to do the NT job again. He had to quit his first stint as the NT coach because the immense pressure was too much on his body. Given the huge amount of attention is focused on China's women NT, every decision a NT coach makes will be under the microscope and scutinized many times over by the entire country. Coach Chen Zhonghe, the NT coach that led China to victory in 2004 at Athens, once said being China's coach is like having an entire mountain pressing down on you to try and squash you. Now add in the fact that the sports bureaucracy can and will overrule a coach at any moment (except for Lang Ping, because her prestige in China means she can tell off the bureaucrats to their faces). Not many people can deal with such pressure and excel. Agree that Wang Baoquan is unlikely, given the history between him, the NT, and ahem, *certain players* (although they've retired).
Ironically, since the team is so good right now, nobody would want to replace Jenny. No matter what happens you're gonna get compared and things won't be favorable, especially with Ding Xia getting older/retiring, Zhu Ting getting older, etc. How are any of the domestic coaches supposed to compare to 3 golds, 1 silver, and 1 bronze in 2013-19? Probably An Jiajie would get forced onto that role. I don't like that, with him trying to give Shandong players a chance but things just don't work that way (Qian Jingwen -- 2017, Yang Hanyu -- 2018-now, etc)
If we do defend the olympic title in 2021, it would just make this problem worse. (But I still hope we win, haha ) Yes Wang is rumored to have conflicts with certain players during his time as the NT coach. Some of them still play, allegedly Mi Yang and Yang Jie, both now playing for Shanghai, had run-ins with Wang when they were on the NT during Wang's NT tenure. You are also right that whoever taking over from Lang Ping will have a very tough job succeeding her. She set the bar very high and anyone else might appear mediocre or incompetent compared to her. But its not impossible. Zhang Rongfang, the teammate of Lang Ping, took over the coaching duties for the team after Coach Yuan retired. Yuan Weimin lead China to burst onto the international volleyball scene in the 80's with World Cup, World Championship and Olympic golds. But Zhang was able to lead China to win the 1986 World Championships after Yuan had retired. So its not impossible, just very very hard.
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Post by mapuan on Dec 11, 2020 10:17:17 GMT -5
Care of Togutt from Insidevolleycountry,com
Frantti is coming for that spot post Tokyo.
Stats after 1st half of the league.
TOP SCORERS 1. Stysiak 214 1. Van Hecke 214 3. Egonu 210 4. Mingardi 195 4. Piani 195 6. Herbots 173 7. Ortolani 172 8. Rosamaria 171 8. C.Bosetti 171 10. Guerra 163
% SPIKERS (OH/OPP) * 1. Egonu 58,6 % 2. Herbots 49,0 % 3. Sylla 48,5 % 4. Frantti 46,9 % 5. Luketic 46,2 % 6. C.Bosetti 46,1 % 7. Stysiak 45,7 % 8. Hill 43,6 % 9. Nwakalor 42,4 % 10. Adams 42,0 %
11. Grobelna 41,3 % 12. Villani 41,0 % 13. Angelina 40,8 % 14. Van Hecke 40,6 % 14. Smarzek 40,6 % 15. Gray 40,5 % 16. Begic 40,1 % 17. Guerra 39,9 % 18. Bajema 39,7 % 19. Orthmann 39,6 % 20. Perinelli 39,0 % 21. Rosamaria 38,8 % 21. Pietrini 38,8 % 23. Piani 38,6 % 23. Jasper 38,6 % 23. Loda 38,6 % 23. Cvetnic 38,6 % 27. Havelkova 38,1 % 27. Partenio 38,1 % 27. Drewniok 38,1 % 30. Melli 38,0 % 30. Courtney 38,0 %
32. Degradi 37,5 % 33. Van Gestel 37,1 % 34. Ungureanu 37,0 % 35. Vasileva 35,4 % 36. Mingardi 35,0 % 36. Decortes 35,0 % 38. Meijners 34,4 % 39. Enweonwu 34,3 % 40. Lanier 34,1 % 41. Angeloni 33,3 % 42. Enright 33,1 % 43. Gennari 33,0 % 44. D'Odorico 32,9 % 45. Strantzali 32,8 % 46. Nicoletti 32,7 % 47. Carcaces 32,5 % 48. Ortolani 32,3 % 49. Bici 30,6 % 50. Giovannini 27,1 %
*only players with at least 100 attacks are listed.
% SPIKERS (MB) 1. Fahr 67,2 % 2. De Kruijf 66,4 % 3. Washington 56,0 % 4. Mazzaro 54,7 % 5. Melandri 53,6 % 6. Danesi 52,6 % 7. Zakchaiou 51,0 % 8. Lubian 50,0 % 9. Heyrman 48,6 % 10. Koolhaas 47,2 % 11. Stevanovic 47,1 % 11. Bonifacio 47,1 % 13. Olivotto 46,2 % 14. Belien 45,8 % 15. Furlan 45,6 % 16. Stufi 45,5 % 17. Candi 45,4 % 18. Zambelli 45,1 % 19. Alberti 45,1 % 20. Fondriest 44,0 % 21. Berti 43,7 % 22. Popovic 40,1 % 23. Veglia 40,0 % 24. Aelbrecht 39,5 % 25. Moretto 39,2 % 26. Dumancic 38,3 %
% PERFECT RECEPTION (Liberos) 1. De Gennaro 60,2 % 2. Merlo 53,1 % 3. Leonardi 52,5 % 4. Cecchetto 49,2 % 5. De Bortoli 48,3 % 6. Parrocchiale 45,9 % 7. Venturi 45,4 % 8. Zannoni 44,2 % 9. Moro 44,7 % 10. Fersino 42,5 % 11. Sansonna 40,7 % 12. Sirressi 38,9 % 13. Parlangeli 32,5 %
% PERFECT RECEPTION (OH) 1. C.Bosetti 47,5 % 2. Courtney 47,2 % 3. Sylla 43,3 % 4. Begic 42,9 % 5. Pietrini 41,7 % 6. Meijners 40,9 % 7. Hill 40,4 % 7. Giovannini 40,4 % 9. Frantti 40,3 % 10. Havelkova 39,3 %
BEST BLOCKERS 1. Zakchaiou 45 2. Berti 36 3. Danesi 35 4. Heyrman 33 5. Koolhaas 29 6. Furlan 28 7. De Kruijf 27 7. Washington 27 7. Belien 27 10. Melandri 24
BEST SERVERS 1. Hancock 33 2. D'Odorico 20 3. Stysiak 17 3. Orthmann 17 5. Egonu 16 6. Guerra 14 6. Van Hecke 14 8. Fahr 13 9. Piani 12 9. C.Bosetti 12
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Post by bruinsgold on Dec 11, 2020 11:07:19 GMT -5
That gap between Hancock and the next best servers is one of the most agitating things about the USA's "better safe than sorry" system of serving. I wish we had the stats on how well other teams passed her serve also.
She should be jump serving for us.
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Post by mapuan on Dec 11, 2020 11:38:09 GMT -5
She keeps improving her jump serve season after season.
This is a weapon that can be used against top teams like China and Serbia were she can target the weakest passer.
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Post by trojansc on Dec 11, 2020 11:50:04 GMT -5
That gap between Hancock and the next best servers is one of the most agitating things about the USA's "better safe than sorry" system of serving. I wish we had the stats on how well other teams passed her serve also. She should be jump serving for us. The irony is that a 3rd setter was taken to Rio as a “serving sub”.....
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Dec 11, 2020 12:21:54 GMT -5
She keeps improving her jump serve season after season. This is a weapon that can be used against top teams like China and Serbia were she can target the weakest passer. China and Serbia aren't scared of jump serves though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 13:12:37 GMT -5
She keeps improving her jump serve season after season. This is a weapon that can be used against top teams like China and Serbia were she can target the weakest passer. China and Serbia aren't scared of jump serves though. Busa will be scarred from Egonus after yesterday lol
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Post by volleyl0ver on Dec 11, 2020 13:26:22 GMT -5
K when is Frantti getting her USA invite?
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Dec 11, 2020 13:40:27 GMT -5
China and Serbia aren't scared of jump serves though. Busa will be scarred from Egonus after yesterday lol Egonu's serves aren't the usual jump serves though. How many can serve like Egonu?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 15:47:27 GMT -5
Busa will be scarred from Egonus after yesterday lol Egonu's serves aren't the usual jump serves though. How many can serve like Egonu? Egonu wasn't even doing her full jump yesterday, making my point about Busa even worse. Busa was getting bullied in the two person reception. I think you can put Hancock in that group. It may not be as powerful as Egonu's but its certainly as, if not more, effective. In the league, Egonu is averaging .43 aces/set and .78 errors/set while Hancock is at .77 aces/set and only .60 errors/set. (I do wish I had good pass percentage from their serve, but I dont) But I do think Hancock's serve is a useful weapon.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Dec 11, 2020 16:04:20 GMT -5
Egonu's serves aren't the usual jump serves though. How many can serve like Egonu? Egonu wasn't even doing her full jump yesterday, making my point about Busa even worse. Busa was getting bullied in the two person reception. I think you can put Hancock in that group. It may not be as powerful as Egonu's but its certainly as, if not more, effective. In the league, Egonu is averaging .43 aces/set and .78 errors/set while Hancock is at .77 aces/set and only .60 errors/set. (I do wish I had good pass percentage from their serve, but I dont) But I do think Hancock's serve is a useful weapon. Full disclaimer, I didn't watch that match. So I don't know if the libero receiving with Busa is any good.
I agree it's good to have a couple of jump servers on the team, if anything to be able to practice receiving those regularly and to have different serving styles to keep the opponents on their toes. But I don't think that jump (topspin) serve is universally better than float.
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Post by hayven on Dec 11, 2020 16:20:35 GMT -5
With such a short turn around to 2024, would the Federations of the top coaches allow them to retire?
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 11, 2020 17:30:15 GMT -5
Egonu wasn't even doing her full jump yesterday, making my point about Busa even worse. Busa was getting bullied in the two person reception. I think you can put Hancock in that group. It may not be as powerful as Egonu's but its certainly as, if not more, effective. In the league, Egonu is averaging .43 aces/set and .78 errors/set while Hancock is at .77 aces/set and only .60 errors/set. (I do wish I had good pass percentage from their serve, but I dont) But I do think Hancock's serve is a useful weapon. Full disclaimer, I didn't watch that match. So I don't know if the libero receiving with Busa is any good.
I agree it's good to have a couple of jump servers on the team, if anything to be able to practice receiving those regularly and to have different serving styles to keep the opponents on their toes. But I don't think that jump (topspin) serve is universally better than float.
The question is whether Hancock's top spin serve is more effective against opponents than her float serve. And even more importantly, if Hancock's top spin serve is more effective than other USA NT member's float serves against opponents. That determines how useful of a weapon she could be for the USA.
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