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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Jul 31, 2020 22:46:51 GMT -5
How in the hell have we not learned yet that NON-ABUSIVE BEHAVIOR DOES NOT NEUTRALIZE ABUSIVE BEHAVIOR? I can’t help but cringe every time someone posts a defense like this. What these posts are saying is quite literally, “he didn’t abuse me, so your story must be false.” The athletes posting things like this better hope they are never the recipient of abuse. Imagine publicly admitting that you’ve been abused, only to have a former teammate of yours try to imply that you’re lying, because *they* weren’t abused. Having her respond like such, knowing that you and two of your teammates contemplated suicide over it. Imagine how hurtful that would be?? No. Abusers. Abuse. Everybody. Stop victim blaming, and stop using your own personal experiences to invalidate anyone else’s. As I stated earlier...and I am absolutely sure our googling wikipedier did not read...I am a former athlete who played at a D1 ( I know he didn't). I have seen some pretty gnarly things go down, behind the proverbial scenes, in my time. OSU's Rickey Lee, a contemporary of my father, was quoted that he'd never seen anything as bad as what he witnessed at Barnard's practices! Pops watched Lee play back in the 1970's; Rickey bleeds orange through-and-through. None of us have ever heard of this kind of abusive behavior. Want definitive proof? Coaching staff is down from nine to five; their roster from 17-12. Something is rotten in Oregon kids!
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Post by jengal on Aug 1, 2020 1:00:52 GMT -5
It definitely is sounding more and more similar to the Moore case at Oregon. With all the players disputing what other players have felt about the situation. While their perspective is also valid that they could have teammates that just can't handle the pressure/intensity of a division 1 life. It is still a serious manner as players were saying they are contemplated suicide. Really hoping they find their peace and get themselves out of a toxic situation. Agreed. The stars of Oregon came out in support. If you were a star, then you were treated well, apparently. Possibly the same thing going on here.
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Post by saywhatnow on Aug 1, 2020 3:04:10 GMT -5
This isn't a logical point that should be accepted. When the admin team is still there, firing an abusive coach indicates you hired an abusive coach. This is particularly when the ones who hired the coach made their decision to do so based on a longstanding relationship with that coach. I guess that's possible. I just disagree. You clearly have zero idea about how PR works or how crisis comms works because no one in their right mind is saying “”firing an abusive coach gets us VERY good PR.” No it’s not good PR because as stated above you hired him and kept him employed until the media got ahold of the situation and you were forced to do something.
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Post by saywhatnow on Aug 1, 2020 3:11:36 GMT -5
How in the hell have we not learned yet that NON-ABUSIVE BEHAVIOR DOES NOT NEUTRALIZE ABUSIVE BEHAVIOR? I can’t help but cringe every time someone posts a defense like this. What these posts are saying is quite literally, “he didn’t abuse me, so your story must be false.” The athletes posting things like this better hope they are never the recipient of abuse. Imagine publicly admitting that you’ve been abused, only to have a former teammate of yours try to imply that you’re lying, because *they* weren’t abused. Having her respond like such, knowing that you and two of your teammates contemplated suicide over it. Imagine how hurtful that would be?? No. Abusers. Abuse. Everybody. Stop victim blaming, and stop using your own personal experiences to invalidate anyone else’s. ALL OF THIS! For the reading comprehension impaired read it again. For everyone who thinks all tathletes have the same exact experience or saying they can’t hack it at a D-1 program...just stop
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Post by sonic on Aug 1, 2020 9:52:46 GMT -5
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Post by n00b on Aug 1, 2020 11:17:22 GMT -5
I guess that's possible. I just disagree. You clearly have zero idea about how PR works or how crisis comms works because no one in their right mind is saying “”firing an abusive coach gets us VERY good PR.” No it’s not good PR because as stated above you hired him and kept him employed until the media got ahold of the situation and you were forced to do something. That was a relative statement comparing the risk/reward of firing an abusive coach vs the risk/reward of covering it up. Heck, if they had fired Barnhard in the spring, the general public may have simply thought it was because they’ve been bad for a while. I don’t think they would’ve not done it because they were worried about it making them look bad. We’re in the middle of a pandemic. I can DEFINITELY see them not firing him because they couldn’t support a ‘for cause’ argument and they’re unwilling to pay out his contract.
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Post by n00b on Aug 1, 2020 11:22:51 GMT -5
It definitely is sounding more and more similar to the Moore case at Oregon. With all the players disputing what other players have felt about the situation. While their perspective is also valid that they could have teammates that just can't handle the pressure/intensity of a division 1 life. It is still a serious manner as players were saying they are contemplated suicide. Really hoping they find their peace and get themselves out of a toxic situation. Agreed. The stars of Oregon came out in support. If you were a star, then you were treated well, apparently. Possibly the same thing going on here. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe a critical mass of the then-current Oregon team (starters included) went to administration and said it’s him or us. That’s when Oregon let Moore go. It’s possible that’s happening behind the scenes here as well but it’s tough to tell from the outside.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 1, 2020 12:24:10 GMT -5
I find it incredibly disingenuous that some wonk...hiding behind his computer...keeps moving-the-goalposts; attempting to conflate obvious evidence here with other programs' histories;
knowledgeable posters...many here with experienced, realistic "takes"...don't need to do that!
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 1, 2020 12:46:34 GMT -5
If you just want to compete for fun, without being pushed to your limits continuously, isn't that why colleges have club teams?
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 1, 2020 12:57:23 GMT -5
If you just want to compete for fun, without being pushed to your limits continuously, isn't that why colleges have club teams? Not the issue here, BB (but thanks for voting!). Seriously...athletes, particularly those at high-level institutions, deserve the very best in coaching: not a nightmare!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 13:00:48 GMT -5
If you just want to compete for fun, without being pushed to your limits continuously, isn't that why colleges have club teams? Surely you understand and believe that being pushed to your limits can be achieved without abuse.
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Post by n00b on Aug 1, 2020 13:01:37 GMT -5
If you just want to compete for fun, without being pushed to your limits continuously, isn't that why colleges have club teams? NOT the issue here BB (but thanks for voting!). Seriously: athletes, particularly those at high-level institutions, deserve the very best in coaching: not a nightmare! Your use of colons is odd.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 1, 2020 13:05:15 GMT -5
NOT the issue here BB (but thanks for voting!). Seriously: athletes, particularly those at high-level institutions, deserve the very best in coaching: not a nightmare! Your use of colons is odd. THAT'S your response? HAHAHAHA....Think you need a mental colonoscopy, my man!
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Post by chickenwingqueen on Aug 1, 2020 13:21:55 GMT -5
.. hmmm .. Former assistant coach isssue ? and the usual sticky wicket of playing time.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 1, 2020 13:39:06 GMT -5
If you just want to compete for fun, without being pushed to your limits continuously, isn't that why colleges have club teams? Surely you understand and believe that being pushed to your limits can be achieved without abuse. It's merely a question. I ask, because I have no idea. Maybe some club teams are insanely demanding as well. Perhaps there are varsity teams that are like "congrats, you made it to D1. You already know what it takes to compete at a high level. Now go out there and have fun." I don't know.
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