Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 15:01:25 GMT -5
Surely you understand and believe that being pushed to your limits can be achieved without abuse. It's merely a question. I ask, because I have no idea. Maybe some club teams are insanely demanding as well. Perhaps there are varsity teams that are like "congrats, you made it to D1. You already know what it takes to compete at a high level. Now go out there and have fun." I don't know. Most high level athletes want to be pushed to their limits. Nobody wants to be pushed beyond their limits.
|
|
|
Post by n00b on Aug 1, 2020 16:25:03 GMT -5
It's merely a question. I ask, because I have no idea. Maybe some club teams are insanely demanding as well. Perhaps there are varsity teams that are like "congrats, you made it to D1. You already know what it takes to compete at a high level. Now go out there and have fun." I don't know. Most high level athletes want to be pushed to their limits. Nobody wants to be pushed beyond their limits. For sure. And that’s a very fine line. It gets further complicated when each individual has a different limit.
|
|
|
Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 1, 2020 16:46:34 GMT -5
How do you learn a player's limits if you don't test their limits by periodically pushing them beyond their limits? There might be untapped potential that exists well beyond what the player believes to be their own limits, and if they do indeed have another gear that they didn't even know about, then it would behoove the player, the coach and the team to tap into that untapped potential.
|
|
|
Post by hoosierdraft on Aug 1, 2020 18:09:03 GMT -5
It's merely a question. I ask, because I have no idea. Maybe some club teams are insanely demanding as well. Perhaps there are varsity teams that are like "congrats, you made it to D1. You already know what it takes to compete at a high level. Now go out there and have fun." I don't know. Most high level athletes want to be pushed to their limits. Nobody wants to be pushed beyond their limits. Assuming that you have never coached. But you would make a good cheerleader.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 20:05:52 GMT -5
How do you learn a player's limits if you don't test their limits by periodically pushing them beyond their limits? There might be untapped potential that exists well beyond what the player believes to be their own limits, and if they do indeed have another gear that they didn't even know about, then it would behoove the player, the coach and the team to tap into that untapped potential. I agree with this post 100%. And I think most coaches, certainly all great coaches, try to walk that line. But what does any of that have to do with verbal and/or emotional abuse?? That doesn’t help anyone.
|
|
|
Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 1, 2020 20:14:52 GMT -5
How do you learn a player's limits if you don't test their limits by periodically pushing them beyond their limits? There might be untapped potential that exists well beyond what the player believes to be their own limits, and if they do indeed have another gear that they didn't even know about, then it would behoove the player, the coach and the team to tap into that untapped potential. I agree with this post 100%. And I think most coaches, certainly all great coaches, try to walk that line. But what does any of that have to do with verbal and/or emotional abuse?? That doesn’t help anyone. They are going to hear a lot of nasty, personal comments out of the various student sections while playing on the road. So some coaches might want to work on conditioning them to that sort of thing in practice. Can they learn to tune it out? Or are they going to get rattled?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 1:20:32 GMT -5
Most high level athletes want to be pushed to their limits. Nobody wants to be pushed beyond their limits. Assuming that you have never coached. But you would make a good cheerleader. No, I think we just may be thinking in different degrees of severity in regards to “beyond their limits.” I don’t meant they don’t want to be trained hard - even until they feel sick at the end of a workout. I’m not talking about never getting upset or whatever I’m referring to not wanting to be pushed to the point of 25% of the number of scholarshipped athletes considering suicide. I just mean that you can train an athlete to succeed without abusing them.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 9:25:17 GMT -5
I agree with this post 100%. And I think most coaches, certainly all great coaches, try to walk that line. But what does any of that have to do with verbal and/or emotional abuse?? That doesn’t help anyone. They are going to hear a lot of nasty, personal comments out of the various student sections while playing on the road. So some coaches might want to work on conditioning them to that sort of thing in practice. Can they learn to tune it out? Or are they going to get rattled? I highly doubt that you're actually advocating that a coach should verbally and emotionally abuse his players, every practice, all season, in order to prepare them for a few hecklers in student sections.
If so, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
|
|
|
Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 2, 2020 9:46:31 GMT -5
They are going to hear a lot of nasty, personal comments out of the various student sections while playing on the road. So some coaches might want to work on conditioning them to that sort of thing in practice. Can they learn to tune it out? Or are they going to get rattled? I highly doubt that you're actually advocating that a coach should verbally and emotionally abuse his players, every practice, all season, in order to prepare them for a few hecklers in student sections.
If so, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Just acknowledging that different coaches have different styles. I don't personally advocate any one method over another. I have never coached, don't know any drills, or even what a volleyball looks like.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 10:30:32 GMT -5
I highly doubt that you're actually advocating that a coach should verbally and emotionally abuse his players, every practice, all season, in order to prepare them for a few hecklers in student sections.
If so, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Just acknowledging that different coaches have different styles. I don't personally advocate any one method over another. I have never coached, don't know any drills, or even what a volleyball looks like. No style can ever justify abuse. I’ll assume you agree.
|
|
|
Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 2, 2020 10:52:03 GMT -5
Just acknowledging that different coaches have different styles. I don't personally advocate any one method over another. I have never coached, don't know any drills, or even what a volleyball looks like. No style can ever justify abuse. I’ll assume you agree. Would you consider it to be abusive had he requested that the upper classmen jot down some of the more memorable one liners that they have heard from the various student sections, so that he could deploy them at the freshmen while they are trying to serve during a scrimmage?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 12:43:50 GMT -5
No style can ever justify abuse. I’ll assume you agree. Would you consider it to be abusive had he requested that the upper classmen jot down some of the more memorable one liners that they have heard from the various student sections, so that he could deploy them at the freshmen while they are trying to serve during a scrimmage? I'm not sure why you're belaboring this point, that has nothing to do with the topic of abuse.
|
|
|
Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 2, 2020 12:57:30 GMT -5
Would you consider it to be abusive had he requested that the upper classmen jot down some of the more memorable one liners that they have heard from the various student sections, so that he could deploy them at the freshmen while they are trying to serve during a scrimmage? I'm not sure why you're belaboring this point, that has nothing to do with the topic of abuse. "Abuse" is one of those things that is hard to pin down. Different people draw different lines in different places. I once saw a female coach smack a player on the behind after a serving error, for example. If a male coach did that? Fired.
|
|
|
Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 2, 2020 13:23:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure why you're belaboring this point, that has nothing to do with the topic of abuse. "Abuse" is one of those things that is hard to pin down. Different people draw different lines in different places. I once saw a female coach smack a player on the behind after a serving error, for example. If a male coach did that? Fired. Dude: you are not being clever, you're not being coy; nowhere near being funny at all. This is a thread concerning a KOMO/AP article about OSU and severe abuse allegations; If you wanna see, and emulate, a true VT comedian, see "rampageripster": he's funny!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 14:07:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure why you're belaboring this point, that has nothing to do with the topic of abuse. "Abuse" is one of those things that is hard to pin down. Different people draw different lines in different places. I once saw a female coach smack a player on the behind after a serving error, for example. If a male coach did that? Fired. Trolling can be entertaining, but in this thread it makes you look extremely tacky. If that’s what you’re going for, congrats, you’ve succeeded. Is that the attention you want here?? Will you stop now that we’ve acknowledged your lack of tact or ability to ‘read the room?’
|
|