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Post by gouci on Aug 8, 2020 8:04:40 GMT -5
returning to activity following isolation, athletes will need 1) cardiac evaluation, 2) clearance from a team physician, and 3) must adhere to an appropriate period of acclimatization following the period of inactivity. Cardiac evaluation that sounds really expensive. I'm familiar with some forms of cardiac evaluations thru my late uncle who had heart by-pass surgery. An angiogram, a procedure where they check if the heart arteries have any blockages cost $40,000. An echocardiogram where they use sounds waves to generate a moving picture of your heart so the Cardiologist can see the size & shape of your heart as well as measure the heart's pumping efficiency that cost $6,000. Even a simple stress test where they monitor your heart rhythm as you walk on a treadmill or ride a stationary bike that cost $2,000.
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Post by baytree on Aug 8, 2020 10:38:36 GMT -5
returning to activity following isolation, athletes will need 1) cardiac evaluation, 2) clearance from a team physician, and 3) must adhere to an appropriate period of acclimatization following the period of inactivity. Cardiac evaluation that sounds really expensive. I'm familiar with some forms of cardiac evaluations thru my late uncle who had heart by-pass surgery. An angiogram, a procedure where they check if the heart arteries have any blockages cost $40,000. An echocardiogram where they use sounds waves to generate a moving picture of your heart so the Cardiologist can see the size & shape of your heart as well as measure the heart's pumping efficiency that cost $6,000. Even a simple stress test where they monitor your heart rhythm as you walk on a treadmill or ride a stationary bike that cost $2,000. I think they're probably giving everyone a blood test to check their troponin, and possibly their creatine kinase and brain natriuretic peptide levels. Changes to those can show heart problems that were caused by COVID. If they have any symptoms, the guidelines issued in May by JAMA Cardiology recommend an echocardiogram and EKG. You need more tests for myocarditis (very serious disease and potentially fatal disease for athletes bc exercise can make it worse) if your troponin test is positive.
Note that the JAMA article only recommends the tests for athletes with symptoms and only recommends the troponin blood test but, since May, others have recommended CK and BNP tests for ppl with COVID.
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Post by Boof1224 on Aug 8, 2020 11:40:29 GMT -5
That’s the smart thing to do and the right thing. The reason d1 hasn’t yet is because of the greed in all the money. That’s all it’s about straight up is the money. They could care less about players safety. I dunno what the big deal is about player safety. I would guess 99.99999% of all NCAA athletes have intact, functioning immune systems (else they wouldn't have passed their scholarship physicals or be cleared to play). So even if they test positive for COVID19, most will recover within a few days or be totally asymptomatic. The NBA and MLB have both had incidents of players testing positive for COVID19. Isolation and quarantine protocols. Most will probably be out for 2-3 weeks until they meet the required # of days of testing negative. Some of y'all act like if a college or pro athlete gets coronavirus, then every single one of them is gonna up and die. I think my point has always been people can’t have things both ways. At the start when I said yes Covid is and thing and people are dying and that sucks I’m not super concerned and got attacked for it and called names and now some of those same people want to preach Covid but then have sports start. If they are that worried then things should stay closed. I just have a hard time have someone preach to me one way and then when something they like comes up try to justify doing that. It’s just like let’s let everyone go protest on top of each other in street and nobody says nothing but bother small business owners and stuff just trying to make money.
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 9, 2020 13:33:29 GMT -5
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Post by n00b on Aug 9, 2020 14:20:34 GMT -5
“Now they are asking: Why should we play for free and put our health at risk just so a bunch of paper pushers can walk off with more millions?” Because athletes desperately want to play.
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 9, 2020 17:39:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 17:43:56 GMT -5
I posted about this yesterday but with the NCAA effectively voiding any COVID-19 waivers, schools simply CANNOT take the risk. It's sad to say that I think, had the waivers been permitted, the schools WOULD have pushed forward, but without them the liability is monumental.
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Post by n00b on Aug 9, 2020 17:47:14 GMT -5
I posted about this yesterday but with the NCAA effectively voiding any COVID-19 waivers, schools simply CANNOT take the risk. It's sad to say that I think, had the waivers been permitted, the schools WOULD have pushed forward, but without them the liability is monumental. Has there been any evidence that people can sue for catching COVID? A liability waiver is different from athletes signing something saying "The university has (1) educated me about the risks of COVID and (2) allowed me to retain my scholarship if I opt out. I understand the risks and choose to compete." You can sign that agreement and still sue afterward. It isn't a liability waiver, just an acknowledgement. And I think makes the risk to the athletic department tiny. Otherwise, how are universities generally allowing students on campus? Wouldn't the risk of a general student suing be a lot higher since the medical standards will be much lower? (Not to mention a regular student is more likely to be obese and diabetic, so at a higher risk of severe complications.)
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Post by n00b on Aug 9, 2020 17:54:33 GMT -5
I still think this is incorrect, although only a poll of athletes could prove this one way or the other. If there are athletes who don't want to return because they think it is equivalent to them "killing themselves", it is a very small minority. Also, those athletes are allowed to opt out and retain their scholarship.
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 9, 2020 19:14:18 GMT -5
I still think this is incorrect, although only a poll of athletes could prove this one way or the other. If there are athletes who don't want to return because they think it is equivalent to them "killing themselves", it is a very small minority. Also, those athletes are allowed to opt out and retain their scholarship. So, what is acceptable losses in your mind? What percentage of athletes getting myocardia or dying from it is acceptable?
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Post by n00b on Aug 9, 2020 19:31:21 GMT -5
I still think this is incorrect, although only a poll of athletes could prove this one way or the other. If there are athletes who don't want to return because they think it is equivalent to them "killing themselves", it is a very small minority. Also, those athletes are allowed to opt out and retain their scholarship. So, what is acceptable losses in your mind? What percentage of athletes getting myocardia or dying from it is acceptable? Well, I don't believe that an in-season college athlete is at higher risk to get COVID than an out-of-season athlete (or a typical college student). The #1 way to get a college student to not go to bars and parties is to make them an in-season athlete.
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Post by sevb on Aug 9, 2020 20:05:18 GMT -5
"The #1 way to get a college student to not go to bars and parties is to make them an in-season athlete."
The # of SAs who regularly break 24-48hr rules says that this is NOT accurate!
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Post by sonofdogman on Aug 9, 2020 20:13:47 GMT -5
Lots of bad premises to arguments being put forward here. Most of these involve something like:
What if we lived in a world where people always did what was right?
What if we lived in a world where the people in power did what was right? Or did what was best for others/for all?
What if we lived in a world where reason and scientific knowledge were primary factors for making education and public health decisions?
I mean, I agree about what maybe ought to be done and what the signs point to, but I do not agree - based on who is in the position to make the decisions- that anything good for the student athletes will come of it.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 9, 2020 20:18:00 GMT -5
"The #1 way to get a college student to not go to bars and parties is to make them an in-season athlete."
The # of SAs who regularly break 24-48hr rules says that this is NOT accurate! ...+1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 23:23:15 GMT -5
I don't think this is the end of college sports. If anything, this could help make the change in college sports that priprotizes the student athlete instead of the excess described in the WaPo article referenced previously. College sports needed a reset from its current form. No better time than now.
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