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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 12:40:23 GMT -5
Dude, it's already a cheat. You can get over 2 million votes in Michigan and it counts for nothing. Nada. Zilch. Ha, ha. You could get 12M votes in CA and it could get you nothing.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 9, 2020 12:44:17 GMT -5
12 million votes in California would actually be quite valuable in a Presidential election.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 9, 2020 12:45:55 GMT -5
But I'd love to hear more from holiday about how Midwesterners are more virtuous than other people.
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Post by cutshot818 on Aug 9, 2020 12:58:08 GMT -5
But I'd love to hear more from holiday about how Midwesterners are more virtuous than other people. Well, they aren't taking sh i ts on the sidewalk of Midwestern cities, that's one. Two, it's really hard to find heroin addicts shooting up in the middle of a wheat field in Indiana. Three, MS-13 murders are really quite low throughout the Midwest. I mean, I could go on and on, but I'll defer to others on the rest of it.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 9, 2020 13:10:46 GMT -5
But I'd love to hear more from holiday about how Midwesterners are more virtuous than other people. Well, they aren't taking sh i ts on the sidewalk of Midwestern cities, that's one. Two, it's really hard to find heroin addicts shooting up in the middle of a wheat field in Indiana. Three, MS-13 murders are really quite low throughout the Midwest. I mean, I could go on and on, but I'll defer to others on the rest of it. You can find plenty of filth and %*$# in small town America. Jesus Christ. They may not be shooting up heroin, but they sure are making meth and oxy'ed out. 5 or 6 "Midwestern" states with higher homicide rates than California - www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm
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Post by BearClause on Aug 9, 2020 13:14:30 GMT -5
But I'd love to hear more from holiday about how Midwesterners are more virtuous than other people. Well, they aren't taking sh i ts on the sidewalk of Midwestern cities, that's one. Two, it's really hard to find heroin addicts shooting up in the middle of a wheat field in Indiana. Three, MS-13 murders are really quite low throughout the Midwest. I mean, I could go on and on, but I'll defer to others on the rest of it. The Midwest has city problems too. Seems a lot like the same issues we see in California's Central Valley. Midwest High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area Drug Market Analysiswww.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs23/23481/23481p.pdfwww.dea.gov/stories/2019/07/10/methamphetamine-seizures-continue-climb-midwest
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 9, 2020 13:19:24 GMT -5
I blame Trump FOR THINGS TRUMP HAS DONE. Aren't conservatives supposed to be big on "personal responsibility"? Please explain to me why it is wrong to blame Trump for his own choices. Ok and what does he get positive credit for WTF, Boof1224? Why does anybody deserve "positive credit" without doing anything to deserve it? I guess you don't understand how this works. Not everybody automatically gets "positive credit". I can think Charles Manson is an insane murderer without having to give him "positive credit" for anything. I can think Tim McVeigh or Osama bin Laden are terrorists without having to give them "positive credit" for anything. And I can think Trump is a terrible president who has made terrible decisions without having to give him "positive credit" for anything. YOU tell ME what "positive credit" you think Trump deserves, and I'll tell you if I agree.
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Post by BearClause on Aug 9, 2020 13:26:50 GMT -5
Well, they aren't taking sh i ts on the sidewalk of Midwestern cities, that's one. Two, it's really hard to find heroin addicts shooting up in the middle of a wheat field in Indiana. Three, MS-13 murders are really quite low throughout the Midwest. I mean, I could go on and on, but I'll defer to others on the rest of it. You can find plenty of filth and %*$# in small town America. Jesus Christ. They may not be shooting up heroin, but they sure are making meth and oxy'ed out. 5 or 6 "Midwestern" states with higher homicide rates than California - www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm Not necessarily making meth any more since it's so hard to get the raw ingredients. It's mostly made in Mexico and then smuggled in, although some of the traffickers are smuggling in the raw ingredients. But drug abuse is not something that the Midwest can lord over as superior - especially with tons of meth and opiod abuse. The biggest problem is fentanyl as well as abuse of prescribed opioids. NIH isn't publishing numbers for Florida in this chart, but there are doctors that have been shut down for easy prescription of Oxy like the one Rush Limbaugh used to use. One may talk about shooting heroin on the street in San Francisco (and I've actually seen that before) but it's really not all that different than some kid snorting crushed Oxy in an Indiana farmhouse. www.drugabuse.gov/drug-topics/opioids/opioid-summaries-by-stateAnd who brought up Indiana? Opiod abuse there is easily worse than California. www.drugabuse.gov/drug-topics/opioids/opioid-summaries-by-state/indiana-opioid-involved-deaths-related-harms
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 13:42:52 GMT -5
12 million votes in California would actually be quite valuable in a Presidential election. Depends on how many of our 25+ million eligible voters showed up to vote wouldn't it? I was talking about what's mathematically possible, no matter how improbable, which is why I used the word could.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 9, 2020 15:06:58 GMT -5
12 million votes in California would actually be quite valuable in a Presidential election. Depends on how many of our 25+ million eligible voters showed up to vote wouldn't it? I was talking about what's mathematically possible, no matter how improbable, which is why I used the word could. Given that 25 million people don't all show up to vote in California, 12 million voters is certainly enough to make a difference. As a Republican voter in California, you should be all for eliminating the electoral college.
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Post by BearClause on Aug 9, 2020 15:24:58 GMT -5
Depends on how many of our 25+ million eligible voters showed up to vote wouldn't it? I was talking about what's mathematically possible, no matter how improbable, which is why I used the word could. Given that 25 million people don't all show up to vote in California, 12 million voters is certainly enough to make a difference. Not sure about that. California actually had a record turnout of registered voters in 2016. How many eligible voters that would be is another matter as quite a few never register to vote or become inactive. There are of course children ineligible to vote as well as noncitizens.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 9, 2020 15:26:27 GMT -5
No idea how many eligible voters are in California, but around 14 million voted in the 2016 election.
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Post by Boof1224 on Aug 9, 2020 16:25:25 GMT -5
Ok and what does he get positive credit for WTF, Boof1224? Why does anybody deserve "positive credit" without doing anything to deserve it? I guess you don't understand how this works. Not everybody automatically gets "positive credit". I can think Charles Manson is an insane murderer without having to give him "positive credit" for anything. I can think Tim McVeigh or Osama bin Laden are terrorists without having to give them "positive credit" for anything. And I can think Trump is a terrible president who has made terrible decisions without having to give him "positive credit" for anything. YOU tell ME what "positive credit" you think Trump deserves, and I'll tell you if I agree. That statement right there says it all I don’t even really need response. There’s good and bad things everyone does and for you not being able to list one thing just shows how completely biased you are. I’m not gonna sit her and list stuff just for you to try and twist everything negative somehow or give someone else credit. Been there done that. Not gonna keep going in that circle.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 9, 2020 18:03:39 GMT -5
WTF, Boof1224? Why does anybody deserve "positive credit" without doing anything to deserve it? I guess you don't understand how this works. Not everybody automatically gets "positive credit". I can think Charles Manson is an insane murderer without having to give him "positive credit" for anything. I can think Tim McVeigh or Osama bin Laden are terrorists without having to give them "positive credit" for anything. And I can think Trump is a terrible president who has made terrible decisions without having to give him "positive credit" for anything. YOU tell ME what "positive credit" you think Trump deserves, and I'll tell you if I agree. That statement right there says it all I don’t even really need response. Because you can't. You want me to give Trump "positive credit" for something or else you assume I'm biased. You yourself won't name a single thing he deserves positive credit for, but you just assume there must be something. I suggest to you that means you are the one who is biased. Again, name me some things you think he deserves "positive credit" for, and I'll tell you whether I agree. It's a very simple request.
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