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Post by BearClause on Aug 10, 2020 15:31:00 GMT -5
Cows...in Berkeley? Anyone else remember that commercial? I was thinking of mentioning it, but it declined. One radio spot was voiced by Mel Blanc although the legend seems to be that the "Farms in Berkeley? Mooooo!" line was improvised by Don Sherwood.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 15:48:45 GMT -5
Consider yourself fortunate. I've driven through the Central Valley. There's a certain ripe odor going past the Harris Ranch Feedlot. WRT to Lancaster/Palmdale I wasn't speaking so much to the smell (really doesn't smell like anything other than reasonably clean, by so-cal standards, high desert air). I was speaking more to the crime that has migrated to that area over the last couple of decades.
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Post by holidayhusker on Aug 10, 2020 15:52:29 GMT -5
I am just glad a liberal Californian knows where milk does come from. California is the #1 dairy state. Just ask Devin Nunes' Cow. There was a milk brand called Berkeley Farms (owned by Dean Foods) that just went out of existence after Dean filed for bankruptcy. However, I remember their distribution facility in Emeryville just south of Berkeley. Contra Costa and Alameda aren't really all that heavy with dairy cattle, but there's tons of it around. The big worries is that they're grazing near the watersheds that feed into drinking water reservoirs, and the possibility of cryptosporidium. Uber liberal Marin County is far more agricultural. Their population centers are in a narrow corridor near US-101 while the West Marin area is mostly forests and farmland. There's also an existing relationship between the National Park Service and several dairy and beef ranches at Point Reyes National Seashore. one of my best friends owns a livestock market in Nunes's district. Lots of agriculture, cattle. etc....we are experiencing a crazy dairy expansion here. I have never understood where cattle and feedlots are placed. They are often by major rivers which makes no sense to me. Any operation should be required to distance from any water source that feeds into large ones. We can agree on that.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 10, 2020 15:55:12 GMT -5
Cows...in Berkeley? Anyone else remember that commercial? I was thinking of mentioning it, but it declined. One radio spot was voiced by Mel Blanc although the legend seems to be that the "Farms in Berkeley? Mooooo!" line was improvised by Don Sherwood. “Farms in Berkeley,” that’s right.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 10, 2020 15:55:45 GMT -5
I have never understood where cattle and feedlots are placed. They are often by major rivers which makes no sense to me. Any operation should be required to distance from any water source that feeds into large ones. We can agree on that. People have always been more interested in getting easy access to water themselves than they are interested in protecting the water for others downstream. People are selfish.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 16:05:18 GMT -5
I have never understood where cattle and feedlots are placed. They are often by major rivers which makes no sense to me. Any operation should be required to distance from any water source that feeds into large ones. We can agree on that. People have always been more interested in getting easy access to water themselves than they are interested in protecting the water for others downstream. People are selfish. Who's selfish the people in LA who want all that water from the Owens Valley, or the people in Owens Valley who would like to protect a bit more of that water for themselves?
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Post by BearClause on Aug 10, 2020 16:33:43 GMT -5
People have always been more interested in getting easy access to water themselves than they are interested in protecting the water for others downstream. People are selfish. Who's selfish the people in LA who want all that water from the Owens Valley, or the people in Owens Valley who would like to protect a bit more of that water for themselves? Owens Valley has been used less and less for LA's water supply for about 30 years. But the history is that LA Water & Power bought and leased back the land for cattle grazing because it was less water intensive than growing crops. www.watereducation.org/aquapedia/los-angeles-aqueduct-and-owens-valley
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Post by holidayhusker on Aug 10, 2020 16:55:59 GMT -5
We are on on top of the largest underground water mass in the US. The Ogallala Aquafier...and vast storage of fresh water. I think whats makes it so pure is that the moisture goes through the layers of sand cleaning it to perfection. We already have a moritorium on circles here. No more wells can be drilled for agriculture purposes. I think the feedyards need to have location restrictions for drainage etc.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 10, 2020 17:06:39 GMT -5
We are on on top of the largest underground water mass in the US. The Ogallala Aquafier...and vast storage of fresh water. I think whats makes it so pure is that the moisture goes through the layers of sand cleaning it to perfection. We already have a moritorium on circles here. No more wells can be drilled for agriculture purposes. I think the feedyards need to have location restrictions for drainage etc. This sort of thing is *exactly* why we have government regulations. You know, those things that Trump hates so much and wants to get rid of.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 10, 2020 17:22:34 GMT -5
People have always been more interested in getting easy access to water themselves than they are interested in protecting the water for others downstream. People are selfish. Who's selfish the people in LA who want all that water from the Owens Valley, or the people in Owens Valley who would like to protect a bit more of that water for themselves? Forget it, Jake...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 17:35:49 GMT -5
Who's selfish the people in LA who want all that water from the Owens Valley, or the people in Owens Valley who would like to protect a bit more of that water for themselves? Owens Valley has been used less and less for LA's water supply for about 30 years. But the history is that LA Water & Power bought and leased back the land for cattle grazing because it was less water intensive than growing crops. www.watereducation.org/aquapedia/los-angeles-aqueduct-and-owens-valleyLess and less but still a whole lot and having a very detrimental impact on the valley and its residents. If you haven't seen it, check out: www.amazon.com/Longest-Straw-Samantha-Bode/dp/B081S6VB3F
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 17:38:00 GMT -5
Who's selfish the people in LA who want all that water from the Owens Valley, or the people in Owens Valley who would like to protect a bit more of that water for themselves? Forget it, Jake... Understood. Just pointing out that it's not always the upstream ones being selfish.
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Post by BearClause on Aug 10, 2020 17:38:40 GMT -5
We are on on top of the largest underground water mass in the US. The Ogallala Aquafier...and vast storage of fresh water. I think whats makes it so pure is that the moisture goes through the layers of sand cleaning it to perfection. We already have a moritorium on circles here. No more wells can be drilled for agriculture purposes. I think the feedyards need to have location restrictions for drainage etc. This is from my water district. The majority of the water comes from the Sierra Nevada through the Molukumne River, but the storage reservoirs have their own watersheds where they collect local rainwater. It's not like Marin Water District (and there are cows all throughout that area) where they have no source outside those watersheds.
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Post by holidayhusker on Aug 10, 2020 17:39:13 GMT -5
We are on on top of the largest underground water mass in the US. The Ogallala Aquafier...and vast storage of fresh water. I think whats makes it so pure is that the moisture goes through the layers of sand cleaning it to perfection. We already have a moritorium on circles here. No more wells can be drilled for agriculture purposes. I think the feedyards need to have location restrictions for drainage etc. This sort of thing is *exactly* why we have government regulations. You know, those things that Trump hates so much and wants to get rid of. oh come on Mike...their are no better stewards of the land than farmers and ranchers because if we don't take care of it, we won't make a living. Your comment reminds me of all the celebrities and CEO's that flew on separate jets to Paris for the special environmental meeting. That kind of stupidity makes the rest of us roll our eyes. The regs he rolled back needed to be done. Stupid, over the top regulations that costs literally hundreds of thousands of blue collar jobs while the rich fly from island to island, and driving around in their gas guzzling range rovers pretending to care so much is so pious is just embarrassing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 17:39:54 GMT -5
This sort of thing is *exactly* why we have government regulations. You know, those things that Trump hates so much and wants to get rid of. The distinction is that many of said regulations are overbearing and/or needless. Those are the ones "we" hate and want to get rid of.
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