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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 17:50:50 GMT -5
That could be a mess if waivers aren't granted to exceed the scholarship limit. I think there ought to be. But, we march into mostly uncharted territory. It'll be a mess either way. Why should the NCAA waive scholarship limits? 'Should' isn't operative. As far as if they will... well there's precedent. "Members also adjusted financial aid rules to allow teams to carry more members on scholarship to account for incoming recruits and student-athletes who had been in their last year of eligibility who decide to stay."
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 11, 2020 18:01:41 GMT -5
Why should the NCAA waive scholarship limits? 'Should' isn't operative. As far as if they will... well there's precedent. "Members also adjusted financial aid rules to allow teams to carry more members on scholarship to account for incoming recruits and student-athletes who had been in their last year of eligibility who decide to stay."But the change in the scholarship cap for the sports were only offset to make room for the scholarships ALREADY promised. The problem with increasing the scholarship cap for schools for the fall of 2021 is that no NLI's have been signed for the 2021 volleyball class. As far as the NCAA is concerned, those recruits do NOT exist. It's a timing issue, obviously, but an important distinction. Verbals are NOT recognized by the NCAA. And what we would be asking for is the ability for deep pocket universities to allow their 2019-2020 graduating class to be on scholarship for the entirety of the 2019-2020 academic year AND the 2021-2022 academic year AND allow "x" number of verbal commitments ALSO be on scholarship for the 2021-2022 academic year. That is NOT what the NCAA did this spring (at least not based on my understanding). It was to account for the players SUPPOSED to be gradating in the 2019-2020 academic year and the recruits ALREADY having an NLI for the 2020-2021 academic year to be able to attend school, on scholarship for the 2020-2021 academic year.
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Post by vbfamily on Aug 11, 2020 18:07:18 GMT -5
'Should' isn't operative. As far as if they will... well there's precedent. "Members also adjusted financial aid rules to allow teams to carry more members on scholarship to account for incoming recruits and student-athletes who had been in their last year of eligibility who decide to stay."But the change in the scholarship cap for the sports were only offset to make room for the scholarships ALREADY promised. The problem with increasing the scholarship cap for schools for the fall of 2021 is that no LNI's have been signed for the 2021 volleyball class. As far as the NCAA is concerned, those recruits do NOT exist. It's a timing issue, obviously, but an important distinction. Yes, that’s why I started the other thread about 2021+. No NLIs makes a big difference.
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Post by hammer on Aug 11, 2020 18:17:39 GMT -5
Rambling non-answer by the Big Ten commissioner when pressed about the Nebraska football coach saying they could play elsewhere this fall. Commish is all like That was simply one of the worst non-answers that I've ever heard.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 11, 2020 18:18:27 GMT -5
But the change in the scholarship cap for the sports were only offset to make room for the scholarships ALREADY promised. The problem with increasing the scholarship cap for schools for the fall of 2021 is that no LNI's have been signed for the 2021 volleyball class. As far as the NCAA is concerned, those recruits do NOT exist. It's a timing issue, obviously, but an important distinction. Yes, that’s why I started the other thread about 2021+. No NLIs makes a big difference. A huge difference. The NCAA has long held that it does NOT recognize verbal commitments. There is simply no way to govern that retroactively. Re scholarship for the 2021 academic year, seems simple to me, a school can choose to either give it to a returning senior that has eligilibty or give it to an incoming freshmen.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 11, 2020 18:23:31 GMT -5
Commish is all like That was simply one of the worst non-answers that I've ever heard. The Big 10 should expel Nebraska. 2020 is already one for the record books, lets create so much mayhem that no year will ever top it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 18:31:32 GMT -5
Yes, that’s why I started the other thread about 2021+. No NLIs makes a big difference. A huge difference. The NCAA has long held that it does NOT recognize verbal commitments. There is simply no way to govern that retroactively. Re scholarship for the 2021 academic year, seems simple to me, a school can choose to either give it to a returning senior that has eligilibty or give it to an incoming freshmen. When is signing day? Is a spring "season" going to be canceled before signing day? You will probably end up in the same boat. Unless you make changes proactively before that.
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Post by n00b on Aug 11, 2020 19:11:41 GMT -5
Why should the NCAA waive scholarship limits? 'Should' isn't operative. As far as if they will... well there's precedent. "Members also adjusted financial aid rules to allow teams to carry more members on scholarship to account for incoming recruits and student-athletes who had been in their last year of eligibility who decide to stay."My idea is still to go to 12 equivalency instead of 12 head count for one year only. Finances stay the same. Coaches have more flexibility to make the most people happy. Maybe the parents of a semi-wealthy sophomore are willing to give up 25% of their scholarship as a donation. 5th years you can give 50% to and only scholarship them for the fall. Maybe the best thing for the team is for 14 athletes to be at 85% scholarship. Give the coaches maximum flexibility to handle their roster without increasing costs.
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Post by baytree on Aug 11, 2020 19:27:34 GMT -5
'Should' isn't operative. As far as if they will... well there's precedent. "Members also adjusted financial aid rules to allow teams to carry more members on scholarship to account for incoming recruits and student-athletes who had been in their last year of eligibility who decide to stay."My idea is still to go to 12 equivalency instead of 12 head count for one year only. Finances stay the same. Coaches have more flexibility to make the most people happy. Maybe the parents of a semi-wealthy sophomore are willing to give up 25% of their scholarship as a donation. 5th years you can give 50% to and only scholarship them for the fall. Maybe the best thing for the team is for 14 athletes to be at 85% scholarship. Give the coaches maximum flexibility to handle their roster without increasing costs. I think this is a good idea. Maybe more athletes will be willing to accept an academic scholarship for a year. E.g., Meghan McClure at Stanford had a 3.965 GPA. I'd guess that she (and others who did well academically) would be eligible for academic scholarships.
It would also help if the P5 changed their rule on multi-year scholarships to accommodate this so that, e.g., if the athlete was promised a 4-year scholarship, waiving it (or part of it) for the 2021 academic year wouldn't jeopardize the scholarship in future years. E.g., for Stanford, say Kendall Kipp has a 4-year athletic scholarship but she also has a 3.9 GPA and would be eligible for an academic schollie. If she waives her schollie for 2021 to accommodate Kami Miner, she'd still have the guarantee for the athletic scholarship in 2022 and 2023.
They should change the rules to encourage as much accommodation and flexibility as possible.
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Post by Mocha on Aug 11, 2020 20:10:18 GMT -5
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Post by cindra on Aug 11, 2020 20:12:21 GMT -5
B12 plans to go forward at the current moment (subject to change I'm sure). Which way will the ACC break?
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Aug 11, 2020 20:28:32 GMT -5
B12 plans to go forward at the current moment (subject to change I'm sure). Which way will the ACC break? Nebraska and Byu have contacted the Big 12 to join the big 12 for football. Going to be interesting to see if other fall sports join👀
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Post by cindra on Aug 11, 2020 20:29:53 GMT -5
B12 plans to go forward at the current moment (subject to change I'm sure). Which way will the ACC break? Nebraska and Byu have contacted the Big 12 to join the big 12 for football. Going to be interesting to see if other fall sports join👀 They need 2 more to make 12. Makes sense to me.
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Post by n00b on Aug 11, 2020 21:32:12 GMT -5
Nebraska and Byu have contacted the Big 12 to join the big 12 for football. Going to be interesting to see if other fall sports join👀 They need 2 more to make 12. Makes sense to me. Honestly, I bet it's just the more, the merrier at this point. More teams means more games to put on TV. If they could get to 17 teams, I think they'd do it.
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Post by missunderstood on Aug 11, 2020 21:37:22 GMT -5
Expanding on this, Sheffield is confident that all his seniors will return next fall if season is cancelled, but it will depend on the scholarship situation. That could be the impediment. Some of the more Off-the-wall speculation I’ve seen on here....you really need to get the players last name right before laying out her plans for the future;) Boy bye. You maaaddddddd??! Yes you are.
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