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Post by redcard🏐 on Aug 18, 2020 8:00:05 GMT -5
Has the NCAA ruled that fall participants are excluded from a spring NC? I'm not sure why this matters. Who would think playing in both Fall and Spring, or playing in fall but participating in the NC in spring, would be a good or desirable thing? Why risk injury to key players, academic stress on student athletes, and possible NC disenfranchisement for some half assed season that might matter less than nothing? I don't get it - unless as an administrator you consider vball so unimportant you prefer it serve some other purpose. God, you are such a Debbie Downer.....it was a Yes/No question. 😆😆
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Post by n00b on Aug 18, 2020 11:31:07 GMT -5
Some confirmation that there wasn’t a vote. Just a nebulous decision that clearly not all universities were/are on board with.
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Post by baytree on Aug 18, 2020 11:44:40 GMT -5
Nope, you just are intentionally misinterpreting my post or maybe can't handle the truth. Where did I say there were no Americans with a conscience? I said there were quite a few, but there are NOT ENOUGH of them. Hello, look at all those people who refuse to wear a face mask because they see it as "infringement of their constitutioal rights"? Come on, these people, I'm sorry to break it to you, but there are lots of a-holes in this country. Instead hurling insults at me or my posts, how about go out in the real world and see what people are doing, eh? I have a grandchild that has a severe peanut allergy. Contact with just a little bit of a peanut and w/o the EpiPen means death. She is not alone (it is pretty terrible). Is it irresponsible for people to eat peanuts, grow peanuts, process peanuts in our food? Is the person eating a bag of peanuts at a baseball game (back when we could attend baseball games) next to my granddaughter an A-hole? If they knew your granddaughter had a peanut allergy, IMO they were an a-hole. Ppl know that wearing a mask protects others so IMO the analogy is someone who is told that your granddaughter has a potentially fatal peanut allergy and still insists on eating peanuts near her. Do you think they're an a-hole or selfish?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 11:47:57 GMT -5
Some confirmation that there wasn’t a vote. Just a nebulous decision that clearly not all universities were/are on board with. That's obviously a mischaracterization. If universities were "clearly not on board with it" you'd have had Presidents commenting that they "weren't on board" the moment the decision was announced. You haven't seen that. You've got knucklehead football coaches decrying it and ADs who have to balance a budget questioning it - and that's fine, they're concerned with their jobs. But the presidents haven't been bound and gagged since last Tuesday. If they wanted to speak out, they could have.
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Post by bastianellifan on Aug 18, 2020 11:57:48 GMT -5
BREAKING NEWS Big season is NOT dead according to a guy on twitter: B1G season not deadGuy has 20k followers so must be legit. OSU to play in the ACC and Michigan, Iowa and Nebraska to Big 12. Its happening guys! In all seriousness, I do not believe this, just something a friend sent me. Some people are apparently taking it seriously though and I have heard from some people there's a bit of buyers remorse from some schools. But I know nothing and I believe the season will more likely be cancelled than resumed or postponed when all is said and done.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 12:05:58 GMT -5
I have a grandchild that has a severe peanut allergy. Contact with just a little bit of a peanut and w/o the EpiPen means death. She is not alone (it is pretty terrible). Is it irresponsible for people to eat peanuts, grow peanuts, process peanuts in our food? Is the person eating a bag of peanuts at a baseball game (back when we could attend baseball games) next to my granddaughter an A-hole? If they knew your granddaughter had a peanut allergy, IMO they were an a-hole. Ppl know that wearing a mask protects others so IMO the analogy is someone who is told that your granddaughter has a potentially fatal peanut allergy and still insists on eating peanuts near her. Do you think they're an a-hole or selfish? Exactly. And yes, I would think a person sitting next to someone with a fatal peanut allergy, who is told of the allergy, but goes ahead and eats his nuts, is a GIANT a-hole. pretty much how I think of the people who go into public stores that have posted notices masks must be worn and refuse to acknowledge/wear a mask. If you have a serious condition that prevents it, fine, but the guy at the grocery store on sunday who 1st went into the tobacco store and came out with carton of reds, and THEN the grocery store... Him? he is a A$$#OLE!!!
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Post by knapplc on Aug 18, 2020 12:08:05 GMT -5
Some confirmation that there wasn’t a vote. Just a nebulous decision that clearly not all universities were/are on board with. This is just parsing words, nothing more. They "deliberated" and came to a conclusion. That's a vote, they just don't want to call it a vote because then they're responsible. They're hanging Warren out to dry. He's responsible for the awful messaging surrounding all this, and that terrible interview, but the college presidents are the ones who make the ultimate call whether the season is or isn't played. Warren doesn't have any authority to overrule those folks.
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Post by n00b on Aug 18, 2020 12:11:10 GMT -5
Some confirmation that there wasn’t a vote. Just a nebulous decision that clearly not all universities were/are on board with. That's obviously a mischaracterization. If universities were "clearly not on board with it" you'd have had Presidents commenting that they "weren't on board" the moment the decision was announced. You haven't seen that. You've got knucklehead football coaches decrying it and ADs who have to balance a budget questioning it - and that's fine, they're concerned with their jobs. But the presidents haven't been bound and gagged since last Tuesday. If they wanted to speak out, they could have. Somehow the other 25 division 1 conferences who cancelled managed to get their athletes, football coaches, and ADs (and parents for that matter) to not actively and vocally contest the presidents' decisions. This past week has been an absolute %*$# show for the Big Ten.
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Post by baytree on Aug 18, 2020 12:11:21 GMT -5
Some confirmation that there wasn’t a vote. Just a nebulous decision that clearly not all universities were/are on board with. This is just parsing words, nothing more. They "deliberated" and came to a conclusion. That's a vote, they just don't want to call it a vote because then they're responsible.They're hanging Warren out to dry. He's responsible for the awful messaging surrounding all this, and that terrible interview, but the college presidents are the ones who make the ultimate call whether the season is or isn't played. Warren doesn't have any authority to overrule those folks. They're responsible regardless of whether it was a vote or a deliberation. I'm sure they realize that.
I agree that it's a semantic distinction. No formal vote was taken but participants expressed their views.
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Post by n00b on Aug 18, 2020 12:13:05 GMT -5
Some confirmation that there wasn’t a vote. Just a nebulous decision that clearly not all universities were/are on board with. This is just parsing words, nothing more. They "deliberated" and came to a conclusion. That's a vote, they just don't want to call it a vote because then they're responsible. They're hanging Warren out to dry. He's responsible for the awful messaging surrounding all this, and that terrible interview, but the college presidents are the ones who make the ultimate call whether the season is or isn't played. Warren doesn't have any authority to overrule those folks. Agreed. Warren had nothing to do with the decision. But I think it's a HUGE part of his job to then get buy in from ADs and football coaches (along with the presidents of those universities). The decision isn't on him. The mess of the fallout is, at least in part.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 12:14:26 GMT -5
Some confirmation that there wasn’t a vote. Just a nebulous decision that clearly not all universities were/are on board with. This is just parsing words, nothing more. They "deliberated" and came to a conclusion. That's a vote, they just don't want to call it a vote because then they're responsible. They're hanging Warren out to dry. He's responsible for the awful messaging surrounding all this, and that terrible interview, but the college presidents are the ones who make the ultimate call whether the season is or isn't played. Warren doesn't have any authority to overrule those folks. All of this is absolutely true, but it's also worth noting, that while Warren hasn't handled this well, being "hung out to dry" is also part of his job description. Just as it is with Roger Goodell or Mark Emmert, these guys are chosen by the presidents/owners they represent to, when necessary, be a human shield and 'protect' said leaders. In the case of someone like Emmert or Goodell, they don't do anything that the majority of their membership isn't happy with; they're certainly not leaders. But their common purpose - possibly even their most important one - is to be the fall guy when the fans or media want someone to blame. Fans like n00b are angry at exactly who the presidents want them to be angry at.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 18, 2020 12:14:41 GMT -5
At the very least, this ought to put Karen Warren out of work.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 18, 2020 14:00:34 GMT -5
BREAKING NEWS Big season is NOT dead according to a guy on twitter: B1G season not deadGuy has 20k followers so must be legit. OSU to play in the ACC and Michigan, Iowa and Nebraska to Big 12. Its happening guys! In all seriousness, I do not believe this, just something a friend sent me. Some people are apparently taking it seriously though and I have heard from some people there's a bit of buyers remorse from some schools. But I know nothing and I believe the season will more likely be cancelled than resumed or postponed when all is said and done. This is all much ado about nothing. The odds of an ACC season get longer by the day as the first 3 ACC schools to start on 8/10 have not started well and it looks likely 2 may not make it through the first 2 weeks. 3 others have announced they will begin 100% virtual and then students will be welcomed onto campus some number of weeks later. Sure they will, after seeing what is happening elsewhere. Anybody care to start a Dead Pool poll to predict the first school out from the 4 ACC schools starting this week, the first out from the 5 starting next week and the drop dead date for the ACC? More than fair to include OSU, NE and PSU as "ACC" if you are so inclined.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 18, 2020 14:13:40 GMT -5
I have a grandchild that has a severe peanut allergy. Contact with just a little bit of a peanut and w/o the EpiPen means death. She is not alone (it is pretty terrible). Is it irresponsible for people to eat peanuts, grow peanuts, process peanuts in our food? Is the person eating a bag of peanuts at a baseball game (back when we could attend baseball games) next to my granddaughter an A-hole? If they knew your granddaughter had a peanut allergy, IMO they were an a-hole. Ppl know that wearing a mask protects others so IMO the analogy is someone who is told that your granddaughter has a potentially fatal peanut allergy and still insists on eating peanuts near her. Do you think they're an a-hole or selfish? When faced with this a couple years when I took her (Charlotte) to an MLB game - we ended up moving around in the stadium. It gave us an opportunity to eat cotton candy out in left field picnic tables. I chose not to make a scene - if by accident they were 'flicking' shells in our direction I would have tried to kindly ask them to be careful. I didn't want to try and stop the family next to me from eating their peanuts. The panic on Charlotte's face when walking down an isle with a bunch of peanut shells in the way (I would pick her up and carry her). Most places make accommodations - I didn't have a problem with how people acted at that game - especially since I didn't even tell them. I don't think we should ban peanuts. Until living with it or experiencing it first hand - most people don't really understand how serious a peanut allergy can be. I mean you hear stories of the girl that didn't tell her boyfriend and when they kissed at the end of the evening, she went into shock and died. It is those kinds of stories that troubles me as a grandfather. Off topic...
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 18, 2020 14:16:22 GMT -5
If they knew your granddaughter had a peanut allergy, IMO they were an a-hole. Ppl know that wearing a mask protects others so IMO the analogy is someone who is told that your granddaughter has a potentially fatal peanut allergy and still insists on eating peanuts near her. Do you think they're an a-hole or selfish? Exactly. And yes, I would think a person sitting next to someone with a fatal peanut allergy, who is told of the allergy, but goes ahead and eats his nuts, is a GIANT a-hole. pretty much how I think of the people who go into public stores that have posted notices masks must be worn and refuse to acknowledge/wear a mask. If you have a serious condition that prevents it, fine, but the guy at the grocery store on sunday who 1st went into the tobacco store and came out with carton of reds, and THEN the grocery store... Him? he is a A$$#OLE!!! If a store has a mask mandate - and someone walks into the store w/o a mask - than that is totally wrong. Does this happen? Everywhere I have been with a sign saying masks in the building are mandatory has had 100% compliance.
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