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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 11, 2020 13:12:51 GMT -5
What do you mean "making". That is just money coming in, the money going out are usually about an order of magnitude lower, so that would put the actual "salary" at 3 figures. Definitely true. But if you're a former college coach who gets laid off (where this discussion started), you can grind out private/group lessons and make some good money. That is also assuming that the parents of the kids all kept their jobs and choose to spend their income on private lessons. I would say that there would be a decrease in the number of lessons being given and the market place is a lot more competitive.
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Post by rogero1 on Aug 11, 2020 14:01:40 GMT -5
This might pertains more to high school than college, but some coaches are also licensed teachers in an academic subject, if so, they can still sort of teach, online if necessary. Or are coaches going to become Uber drivers to earn some desperate cash on the side? Or Amazon delivery workers? I know of a former DII coach who is driving and a DIII coach who’s driving big rigs now.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 11, 2020 23:14:26 GMT -5
This might pertains more to high school than college, but some coaches are also licensed teachers in an academic subject, if so, they can still sort of teach, online if necessary. Or are coaches going to become Uber drivers to earn some desperate cash on the side? Or Amazon delivery workers? I haven’t heard the phrase “might pertains” in a long time. On TV in the 1970s, I think. Well now you are hearing it.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 11, 2020 23:30:35 GMT -5
What is the unemployment rate going to be for coaches this year and next. I have a rough guess...its looks very ugly, but maybe you have a better idea. There are 1400 or so college volleyball teams, right? Is it ridiculous to think that 20 schools close or drop volleyball in the next year? 50 schools? 100 schools? So whatever you think that number is they've all got at least 2 coaches, though many may be part-time. Does D1 see a cut back in the number of technical coordinators and Dir of Ops positions? Are there fewer GA's or do more schools replace their 2nd assistant with a GA? Will FT positions go part-time? I think the AVCA Convention attendance will certainly get a bit smaller. You are right, its not just the coaches but their assistants and all the other support staff for the teams that will be affected. If some of these coaches are part-time, some of them I know are school teachers in their regular job, then I suppose they got something to fall back on. But if the coaching job is their full-time job, then yeah, they will need to find something else to keep money coming in so they can pay the bills. Question is, what sort of job can they get in this economic climate? I was half-kidding on being Uber drivers, but as rogero1 said, some are indeed becoming hired drivers. So what kind of alternative jobs would suit an otherwise full-time coach? Anything they can their hands on?
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 15, 2020 10:42:55 GMT -5
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Post by wmiv1895 on Aug 15, 2020 18:24:08 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I think with out Football - a lot of coaches from a lot of teams will be with out jobs. They may not get out as much as not be in.... paying coaches is going to be very hard for many schools. Years ago a friend of mine told me that if I could get a college job at a non-football school, there are some advantages to that. I guess this would be one of those examples/reasons.
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Post by huskerrob on Aug 16, 2020 4:01:19 GMT -5
There was a 300-team club tournament in Orlando last month. Where the market and individual choice drives decisions, volleyball will be played. In places that high school volleyball is cancelled this fall, there will be a lot of money to be made in clinics and private lessons. One 4 team pool is probably 60 people with refs? Plus parents could you do a 14's pool with less than 100 people in the room? Many states won't let more than 25 or 50 people in a room. And if indoor dining is not available, or even if restaurants are capped at 25% capacity, feeding a tournament's worth of teams becomes a problem in the colder parts of the country. And then you have the 14 day quarantines where tournaments won't be able to accept teams from certain statesw without Stay to Play showing 14 days of room rentals before the tournament. Club ball is going to get complicated and I have to think that some organizations are just going to take the year off. At some point I think even coaching club become more trouble than it's worth. more than 250K bikers just proved South Dakota can host whatever size you need, and there is no restrictions on dining/drinking establishments. There are other States that could sustain a tourni and offer food/drink/lodging capabilities to make it near normal.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 16, 2020 10:04:48 GMT -5
One 4 team pool is probably 60 people with refs? Plus parents could you do a 14's pool with less than 100 people in the room? Many states won't let more than 25 or 50 people in a room. And if indoor dining is not available, or even if restaurants are capped at 25% capacity, feeding a tournament's worth of teams becomes a problem in the colder parts of the country. And then you have the 14 day quarantines where tournaments won't be able to accept teams from certain statesw without Stay to Play showing 14 days of room rentals before the tournament. Club ball is going to get complicated and I have to think that some organizations are just going to take the year off. At some point I think even coaching club become more trouble than it's worth. more than 250K bikers just proved South Dakota can host whatever size you need, and there is no restrictions on dining/drinking establishments. There are other States that could sustain a tourni and offer food/drink/lodging capabilities to make it near normal. A) I hope you are right, but with a disease that can be up to 14 days to infection, declaring victory 8 days after it starts is like doing so after the first set. B) When I talk about "Parts of the country" and "certain states" I thought it was clear that I was saying club ball would suffer in some places. For the sake of South Dakota I hope they are a place that can pull off such events, but that doesn't change the fact that in some states club ball in a traditional sense is a complicated proposition.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 16, 2020 11:47:31 GMT -5
So if you are a coach what would you do now?
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Post by pepperbrooks on Aug 16, 2020 12:16:00 GMT -5
So if you are a coach what would you do now? Pray for a vaccine, because herd immunity is taking too long, and we’re clearly never going to beat this thing down by counting on people to be responsible.
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Post by n00b on Aug 16, 2020 12:23:54 GMT -5
So if you are a coach what would you do now? Relocate to a state that is more likely to let you do your job.
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Post by hammer on Aug 16, 2020 13:14:09 GMT -5
So if you are a coach what would you do now?
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Post by jammaster on Aug 16, 2020 13:23:00 GMT -5
Definitely true. But if you're a former college coach who gets laid off (where this discussion started), you can grind out private/group lessons and make some good money. That is also assuming that the parents of the kids all kept their jobs and choose to spend their income on private lessons. I would say that there would be a decrease in the number of lessons being given and the market place is a lot more competitive. The big issue in SoCal is gym space. Many clubs rent gym space from middle schools and high school. With Covid those gyms are all shut down. Unless a program has their own gym space, no good way to do privates unless you go outside. Paying 100 per hour for grass or blacktop is a bit of a stretch. Programs with their own gym space are at a huge advantage at the moment...at least in SoCal.
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 16, 2020 13:56:31 GMT -5
That is also assuming that the parents of the kids all kept their jobs and choose to spend their income on private lessons. I would say that there would be a decrease in the number of lessons being given and the market place is a lot more competitive. The big issue in SoCal is gym space. Many clubs rent gym space from middle schools and high school. With Covid those gyms are all shut down. Unless a program has their own gym space, no good way to do privates unless you go outside. Paying 100 per hour for grass or blacktop is a bit of a stretch. Programs with their own gym space are at a huge advantage at the moment...at least in SoCal. Good point. Some clubs used to give the club coaches free gym time for lessons, which really helps. Other places are charging the club coaches a discounted prices, (some massively, others not so much.) Some multisport facilities will favor the long term rental, say a basketball rental for 3 hours over a volleyball rental for 1 hour. So the solution is coaches teaming up to block out a bunch hours.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Aug 16, 2020 15:07:11 GMT -5
That is also assuming that the parents of the kids all kept their jobs and choose to spend their income on private lessons. I would say that there would be a decrease in the number of lessons being given and the market place is a lot more competitive. The big issue in SoCal is gym space. Many clubs rent gym space from middle schools and high school. With Covid those gyms are all shut down. Unless a program has their own gym space, no good way to do privates unless you go outside. Paying 100 per hour for grass or blacktop is a bit of a stretch. Programs with their own gym space are at a huge advantage at the moment...at least in SoCal. Some of those clubs are looking into creating their own facilities in the meantime, which are not ideal, but it’s something.
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